Why are so many players that have been around since Beta, totally confused about how Cryptic and STO works? They act like they've only been around for a year or two at mos.....Joined July 2014....oh, yeah. I didn't realize STO Beta was in 2014.
Let's see if we can clear up the OP's confusion. "The Console version of STO was not for you, the PC player".
Cryptic clearly did not want to shift any noticeable % of PC gamers over to Console. They wanted to add console players to the existing ranks.
There are dynamic differences between PC and console. Differences that cannot be overcome easily and certainly not economically in order to allow for migration of captains. Down the road when those differences are mitigated, that could change, but no promises.
So, fact: OP clearly does not "know how it works".
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Cryptic is NOT trying to create a new platform for the PC gamers to have as an alternative -- that has never been their goal.
They are doing what many other games have already done, they are expanding their player base by adding console players to their ranks. People who are claiming that this expansion to the consoles spells doom for Cryptic are so off base that it isn't even funny. For just one example, DC Universe Online is on both PC and the consoles. The devs of DCUO have been quite open in admitting that over 70% of their income has come from the console players.
For people that love the PC version of the game -- that is awesome, keep enjoying it. You can take comfort in the fact that us console players will most likely help fund the game that you enjoy for many years to come.
Why are so many players that have been around since Beta, totally confused about how Cryptic and STO works? They act like they've only been around for a year or two at mos.....Joined July 2014....oh, yeah. I didn't realize STO Beta was in 2014.
Let's see if we can clear up the OP's confusion. "The Console version of STO was not for you, the PC player".
Cryptic clearly did not want to shift any noticeable % of PC gamers over to Console. They wanted to add console players to the existing ranks.
There are dynamic differences between PC and console. Differences that cannot be overcome easily and certainly not economically in order to allow for migration of captains. Down the road when those differences are mitigated, that could change, but no promises.
So, fact: OP clearly does not "know how it works".
Quoted for Truth!
Cryptic is NOT trying to create a new platform for the PC gamers to have as an alternative -- that has never been their goal.
They are doing what many other games have already done, they are expanding their player base by adding console players to their ranks. People who are claiming that this expansion to the consoles spells doom for Cryptic are so off base that it isn't even funny. For just one example, DC Universe Online is on both PC and the consoles. The devs of DCUO have been quite open in admitting that over 70% of their income has come from the console players.
For people that love the PC version of the game -- that is awesome, keep enjoying it. You can take comfort in the fact that us console players will most likely help fund the game that you enjoy for many years to come.
You're welcome.
I couldn't have said it better myself! Multi-Platform games also allow a diverse player-base, which is usually beneficial for all parties in one way or another.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
So I've tried it bugs and all, it's just as terrible as I thought it would be. The thought of having to go through and re-level reputations, traits, ship traits, commendations, crafting, and specializations all over again is just too daunting.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to not have character transfer at least was not thinking with their head. Those of us who've played since beta would have been such a support structure for your transfer to console, you should have supported us as players.
There are no technical difficulties that make this impossible, there are no issues with agreements that make this unheard of, other studios do it all the time even between platforms, so tell us the real reason why we can't transfer our characters.
Trust me I know how it works, I can't explain how I know but I do.
So basically...despite what people who ACTUALLY can explain why they can't do it stating why it can't be done, we should take your word for it because you know how it works...umm yeah...no. Both Sony and MS require that all updates to the game be gone through them first. That means that ALL updates need to be synched...which would hurt PC updates. They also do not seem to like how the PC's life time system works with the stipend as well. They will also need to get a cut of all sales...and having existing toons be ported over will hurt their sales...so why would they agree to this from a small studio like cryptic? If this was a big powerhouse game...yeah, more leverage in dealing with these things...but cryptic ain't that. So yeah, you really don't know jack.
Yes, they need to go through Sony's and Microsoft's QA, as far as the patches and updates goes, but that's it.
They get a cut? No, they don't get a cut from anything.
They wouldn't hurt sales of any kind if they opened up for character transfers, especially not Microsoft's sales.
What you're doing is providing false information.
Sony and Microsoft charge for storage space and advertisement. It works like a basic subscription.
The only issue they would encounter as far as character transfer goes, is the fact that the console version is not yet up to par with the PC version (no doff/admirality/fleet system etc for the console version yet), and that would be the only thing that prevents them from enabling character transfer/Account link transfer.
When it comes to updates or patches, you need to look at how other games does it. Elder Scrolls Online does it just fine. You can, in fact, transfer your entire account from the PC to the console. Friend of mine did it this summer. He bought the game on the PC last year, but most of his friends started playing on the console instead, so he followed them there.
A console game doesn't need to be on par with the PC. All they have to do is to make sure that whatever the character has on the PC in terms of items etc that belongs to a specific update not yet released on the console version, is blocked, and automatically unlocked once the console version is on par with the PC version.
The PC version for any game that has been released cross platform will get updated first. That's how it works.
Its not like Cryptic were vague, never disclosed the information or flat out lied and said yes only you couldn't when it went live. It was said very early in development no character transfer.
To keep going on about it zzz zzz.
Console launch isn't for existing players why would it be. Cryptic already have you playing and hopefully paying. It was done to try and bring in new cliental that don't play on PC but would try the game on console and stick around long enough for Cryptic to make some $$$ off them.
If you want/prefer to play Console then you'll have to accept that you start brand new.
The problem is that there are people who claim that a character or account transfer is impossible.
It's more like, they could, but they don't want to, as they want more money and more money comes from new players on the console.
I can totally understand that, and from a business perspective, it's the right choice. But saying that from a technical standpoint, it is impossible, is not true. If others can pull it off, so can Cryptic. But as i said, they don't want to, cause new players means more money on the console.
The players that are complaining about this are complaining because it's not already active, not because some other players said it can't ever be done. It can't be done right now as the two are not the same game. Whether it can be done later down the road or not is currently irrelevant to the OPs incorrect beliefs and this discussion.
Its not like Cryptic were vague, never disclosed the information or flat out lied and said yes only you couldn't when it went live. It was said very early in development no character transfer.
To keep going on about it zzz zzz.
Console launch isn't for existing players why would it be. Cryptic already have you playing and hopefully paying. It was done to try and bring in new cliental that don't play on PC but would try the game on console and stick around long enough for Cryptic to make some $$$ off them.
If you want/prefer to play Console then you'll have to accept that you start brand new.
The problem is that there are people who claim that a character or account transfer is impossible.
It's more like, they could, but they don't want to, as they want more money and more money comes from new players on the console.
I can totally understand that, and from a business perspective, it's the right choice. But saying that from a technical standpoint, it is impossible, is not true. If others can pull it off, so can Cryptic. But as i said, they don't want to, cause new players means more money on the console.
Ofc it can be done but you have to have agreement between the 3 parties to allow it to happen.
At this point in time with parts of the game not yet released such as Admiralty/doffing and r&d/some reps and lockbox/lobi/event ships and c-store ships this would prevent an account transfer in some sense as you'd have to loose those things not released yet and wait until console catches up.
So even if account transfer was made available tomorrow until the console is on par content wise with PC you're account could only be partially transferred.
Do Cryptic really want that headache of players moaning about having to relevel doffing/r&d schools (which take forever)/reputations and Spec tree's if when released they don't/can't put the account back to PC levels. I'd guess not.
What these players really want is for Cryptic to spend a huge amount of effort on some "dynamic transfer system" where they get to start playing now with the pieces that can be copied, then have other bits unlock as they are added to the consoles. Revising the transfer system over and over and writing more and more code to fix up existing transfers.
Sure, Cryptic could technically do this. There are a lot of things that are technically possible. It's the best kind of possible.
Does it make business sense to do this rather than putting the same effort into adding the missing pieces into the console versions? Nope. It's a huge amount of effort for which they will get nothing except endless complaints and raging when it does not work perfectly. They can get the same complaints and raging by doing nothing.
What these players really want is for Cryptic to spend a huge amount of effort on some "dynamic transfer system" where they get to start playing now with the pieces that can be copied, then have other bits unlock as they are added to the consoles. Revising the transfer system over and over and writing more and more code to fix up existing transfers.
Sure, Cryptic could technically do this. There are a lot of things that are technically possible. It's the best kind of possible.
Does it make business sense to do this rather than putting the same effort into adding the missing pieces into the console versions? Nope. It's a huge amount of effort for which they will get nothing except endless complaints and raging when it does not work perfectly. They can get the same complaints and raging by doing nothing.
Yet another "no character / account transfers to console!?" thread in disguise.
Please see the eleventy other threads on this topic going back months.
No point in beating the horse further it's long dead and buried. Then dug up again several times for further beatings.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Maybe cryptic should read them, and do somethig about that?
But nooo... Why bother?
They have fanboys that jump to theyr suport, as soon as an issue arises.
Giving us acces to the Zen items that we allready own is not aproblem at all.
Thats why i still call it "Blackmail"! I dont pay you twice for the very same item! Im just online with the XBOX One version. The grapgics arent that impressive.
And being forced to re-do the tutorial and geting charged for the TOS Conny twice... That all is not a good start at all.
Who deleted your PC account and forced you to play on the console!?!?!?!?!?!11!!?!?!1?!? Seriously. You decided to go play the game on console. You are the only one responsible for your "problems".
i think id feel guilty transferring one of my toons to the console , I can just imaging him sitting there in his Miranda and wondering what happened to his zippy little pilot tac ship and looking around for his doffs and admiralty ships and what happened to his millions of ec and dilithium , and realizing he has to do it all again from the start , I think he might just fly his Miranda into the sun .
They get a cut? No, they don't get a cut from anything.
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Oh, where were you when the other guy i quoted lacked a citation, hmm?
You can find the information you need by doing some digging. Or do you actually expect people to do the digging for you?
Yes, I would expect you to do the digging for me, if I were him.
because you are making whatever claim you are making. the burden of proof is on you. so you have to do the digging and bring proof to substantiate whatever you are claiming.
also I don't care enough about it to do so myself. I don't have anything to prove.
your response is basically a thinly-veiled "I made it all up and i don't know what I am talking about," until you prove otherwise.
Let me clarify. Since posting this I've recently purchased a new computer, as with all things technology changes.
Part of the reason for this post is due to their lack of support for the most recent processors. It's extremely poor taste to not have updated your launcher or your game to the latest in order to keep up with the times as all of the other mmo's I've ever played have already done with windows 8 before 8.1 came out.
I've looked everywhere, I cannot find a 64 bit version of this game, and trying to fenagle the game to load because it's behind the times is not something you should expect ever from a AAA title with such a huge IP following. Now that the console versions have launched and have received their first hotfix can we get an announcement for the 64 bit version?
Let me clarify. Since posting this I've recently purchased a new computer, as with all things technology changes.
Part of the reason for this post is due to their lack of support for the most recent processors. It's extremely poor taste to not have updated your launcher or your game to the latest in order to keep up with the times as all of the other mmo's I've ever played have already done with windows 8 before 8.1 came out.
I've looked everywhere, I cannot find a 64 bit version of this game, and trying to fenagle the game to load because it's behind the times is not something you should expect ever from a AAA title with such a huge IP following. Now that the console versions have launched and have received their first hotfix can we get an announcement for the 64 bit version?
Why would you need a 64 bit version of the client??, the client uses no more that 600 mb of memory, sometimes it gets to 1000 - 1200... but thats all, the 64 bits makes sense if you are using a load of memory (more than 4 gigs) and need multiple treads from the CPU.
Things could be inproved on the current client, yes!, the video card detection routine is awfull when you have dual cards and the directx 11 rendering pipeline tends to break on some computers, but that needs to be worked out, not 64 bits, that actually is not needed, the game is not that complex (client side)
Let me clarify. Since posting this I've recently purchased a new computer, as with all things technology changes.
Part of the reason for this post is due to their lack of support for the most recent processors. It's extremely poor taste to not have updated your launcher or your game to the latest in order to keep up with the times as all of the other mmo's I've ever played have already done with windows 8 before 8.1 came out.
I've looked everywhere, I cannot find a 64 bit version of this game, and trying to fenagle the game to load because it's behind the times is not something you should expect ever from a AAA title with such a huge IP following. Now that the console versions have launched and have received their first hotfix can we get an announcement for the 64 bit version?
I write Windows C/C++ applications at work. Most desktop applications are still 32-bit.
The main thing 64-bitness gets you is more addressable memory for your processes. If your process does not need more than 2 GB RAM (for the application not for the graphics card) there isn't much point. A 32-bit application can still make full use of a 12 GB VRAM video card and eleventy TB of disk space.
Let me clarify. Since posting this I've recently purchased a new computer, as with all things technology changes.
Part of the reason for this post is due to their lack of support for the most recent processors. It's extremely poor taste to not have updated your launcher or your game to the latest in order to keep up with the times as all of the other mmo's I've ever played have already done with windows 8 before 8.1 came out.
I've looked everywhere, I cannot find a 64 bit version of this game, and trying to fenagle the game to load because it's behind the times is not something you should expect ever from a AAA title with such a huge IP following. Now that the console versions have launched and have received their first hotfix can we get an announcement for the 64 bit version?
I write Windows C/C++ applications at work. Most desktop applications are still 32-bit.
The main thing 64-bitness gets you is more addressable memory for your processes. If your process does not need more than 2 GB RAM (for the application not for the graphics card) there isn't much point. A 32-bit application can still make full use of a 12 GB VRAM video card and eleventy TB of disk space.
Yup! i work in programming too, but most people thinks that 64 bits is magic and can solve life itself!
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I'm almost tempted to add this to my signature.
Quoted for Truth!
Cryptic is NOT trying to create a new platform for the PC gamers to have as an alternative -- that has never been their goal.
They are doing what many other games have already done, they are expanding their player base by adding console players to their ranks. People who are claiming that this expansion to the consoles spells doom for Cryptic are so off base that it isn't even funny. For just one example, DC Universe Online is on both PC and the consoles. The devs of DCUO have been quite open in admitting that over 70% of their income has come from the console players.
For people that love the PC version of the game -- that is awesome, keep enjoying it. You can take comfort in the fact that us console players will most likely help fund the game that you enjoy for many years to come.
You're welcome.
I couldn't have said it better myself!
The last time I touched a console was when Halo 2 was released. I decided to give it a spin on a friend's Xbox.
Simple for me.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Yes, they need to go through Sony's and Microsoft's QA, as far as the patches and updates goes, but that's it.
They get a cut? No, they don't get a cut from anything.
They wouldn't hurt sales of any kind if they opened up for character transfers, especially not Microsoft's sales.
What you're doing is providing false information.
Sony and Microsoft charge for storage space and advertisement. It works like a basic subscription.
The only issue they would encounter as far as character transfer goes, is the fact that the console version is not yet up to par with the PC version (no doff/admirality/fleet system etc for the console version yet), and that would be the only thing that prevents them from enabling character transfer/Account link transfer.
When it comes to updates or patches, you need to look at how other games does it. Elder Scrolls Online does it just fine. You can, in fact, transfer your entire account from the PC to the console. Friend of mine did it this summer. He bought the game on the PC last year, but most of his friends started playing on the console instead, so he followed them there.
A console game doesn't need to be on par with the PC. All they have to do is to make sure that whatever the character has on the PC in terms of items etc that belongs to a specific update not yet released on the console version, is blocked, and automatically unlocked once the console version is on par with the PC version.
The PC version for any game that has been released cross platform will get updated first. That's how it works.
The problem is that there are people who claim that a character or account transfer is impossible.
It's more like, they could, but they don't want to, as they want more money and more money comes from new players on the console.
I can totally understand that, and from a business perspective, it's the right choice. But saying that from a technical standpoint, it is impossible, is not true. If others can pull it off, so can Cryptic. But as i said, they don't want to, cause new players means more money on the console.
< CITATION NEEDED >
Oh, where were you when the other guy i quoted lacked a citation, hmm?
You can find the information you need by doing some digging. Or do you actually expect people to do the digging for you?
In short, you made it up.
Ofc it can be done but you have to have agreement between the 3 parties to allow it to happen.
At this point in time with parts of the game not yet released such as Admiralty/doffing and r&d/some reps and lockbox/lobi/event ships and c-store ships this would prevent an account transfer in some sense as you'd have to loose those things not released yet and wait until console catches up.
So even if account transfer was made available tomorrow until the console is on par content wise with PC you're account could only be partially transferred.
Do Cryptic really want that headache of players moaning about having to relevel doffing/r&d schools (which take forever)/reputations and Spec tree's if when released they don't/can't put the account back to PC levels. I'd guess not.
Sure, Cryptic could technically do this. There are a lot of things that are technically possible. It's the best kind of possible.
Does it make business sense to do this rather than putting the same effort into adding the missing pieces into the console versions? Nope. It's a huge amount of effort for which they will get nothing except endless complaints and raging when it does not work perfectly. They can get the same complaints and raging by doing nothing.
For once we are on the same page
Who deleted your PC account and forced you to play on the console!?!?!?!?!?!11!!?!?!1?!? Seriously. You decided to go play the game on console. You are the only one responsible for your "problems".
Yes, I would expect you to do the digging for me, if I were him.
because you are making whatever claim you are making. the burden of proof is on you. so you have to do the digging and bring proof to substantiate whatever you are claiming.
also I don't care enough about it to do so myself. I don't have anything to prove.
your response is basically a thinly-veiled "I made it all up and i don't know what I am talking about," until you prove otherwise.
this is what it boils down to.
Part of the reason for this post is due to their lack of support for the most recent processors. It's extremely poor taste to not have updated your launcher or your game to the latest in order to keep up with the times as all of the other mmo's I've ever played have already done with windows 8 before 8.1 came out.
I've looked everywhere, I cannot find a 64 bit version of this game, and trying to fenagle the game to load because it's behind the times is not something you should expect ever from a AAA title with such a huge IP following. Now that the console versions have launched and have received their first hotfix can we get an announcement for the 64 bit version?
Why would you need a 64 bit version of the client??, the client uses no more that 600 mb of memory, sometimes it gets to 1000 - 1200... but thats all, the 64 bits makes sense if you are using a load of memory (more than 4 gigs) and need multiple treads from the CPU.
Things could be inproved on the current client, yes!, the video card detection routine is awfull when you have dual cards and the directx 11 rendering pipeline tends to break on some computers, but that needs to be worked out, not 64 bits, that actually is not needed, the game is not that complex (client side)
I write Windows C/C++ applications at work. Most desktop applications are still 32-bit.
The main thing 64-bitness gets you is more addressable memory for your processes. If your process does not need more than 2 GB RAM (for the application not for the graphics card) there isn't much point. A 32-bit application can still make full use of a 12 GB VRAM video card and eleventy TB of disk space.
Yup! i work in programming too, but most people thinks that 64 bits is magic and can solve life itself!