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officerbatman81
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So I find it more than a little irritating and disingenuous when i see this message when I try to donate fleet marks to other fleets in my armada.
I get the above message as well as this gem,
"This fleet is currently not accepting donations for this project."
I've hear whining from fleets before than they have a hard time getting people donating to projects so they can be finished. So when I see this stuff it's contradictory to the fleets perceived importance of fleet projects when they are being needy but holding up their hands saying "but not from you".
And this only occurs with fleet marks mind you, my dilithium is appearently still pink enough for their pockets.
Is this a recent thing? Do some fleets have this and not all? Why do fleet managers do this if this is optional?
I'm just irritated when i get jock blocked trying to rack up my fleet credit to fill out my fleet shopping list.
Thanks.
I get the above message as well as this gem,
"This fleet is currently not accepting donations for this project."
I've hear whining from fleets before than they have a hard time getting people donating to projects so they can be finished. So when I see this stuff it's contradictory to the fleets perceived importance of fleet projects when they are being needy but holding up their hands saying "but not from you".
And this only occurs with fleet marks mind you, my dilithium is appearently still pink enough for their pockets.
Is this a recent thing? Do some fleets have this and not all? Why do fleet managers do this if this is optional?
I'm just irritated when i get jock blocked trying to rack up my fleet credit to fill out my fleet shopping list.
Thanks.
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TRIBBLE 'em. If their sole interest in me is my pile of pink rocks they can go get them the same way I do. They can earn them. They can build a Fleet the same way we did before the Armada system, too. By themselves out of their own resources.
Of course they are picking and choosing. Many people want to swoop in, take the easy and free fleet credits for marks part of a project for themselves, then run away without contributing all of the other parts of the project that cost EC and dil. For many fleets that's not helping at all.
for myself and my solofleet, what i do instead is have the character with gobs of fleetmarks leave the fleet, then advertise in my chat channels tjat i have X-thousand fleet marks and a hundred doffs and i want temporary access to a fleet so i can get rid of them.
i always get invited immediately, spend all my marks, donate a buncha doffs and then go back to my solo fleet after. everyone is happy.
I explained why the setting is the way it is. These settings apply to all contributors they did not single you out.
Its like a favortism inside that fleet. It begs the question, whats the point of an armada and benifits if we cant help each other out. The point should be getting those holdings accomplished as fast as possible regardless who does it.
Lately there has been more opportunity to donate Fleet Marks to some of the Armada Fleets. My Temporal Recruit recently donated quite a bit of Dilithium to Armada Fleets to generate substantial Fleet Credits to be able to buy those Trait Upgrades.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
That project actually has a 5 minute cooldown. I am more or less the self-appointed project slotter for my Federation fleet, and keeping a fresh one in there is my top priority.
I'd suggest looking for fleets who are new to your armada. They are more likely to have an open door policy on their fleet projects. Whatever you do: Help them as much as you help yourself. If you load up on their marks to get credits make sure you fill the rest of the project. Fleets tend to shut their doors when they feel they are being taken advantage of. On the flip side the fleets who open projects and immediately load their marks and expertise but want your dilithium, warp coils, or even fleet credits don't deserve your time or contributions.
My fleet (I'm in the fleet, I don't own it) is the Alpha Fleet, but we have at least one armada fleet that never excepts Fleet Marks. So they're getting all the benefit of being under the larger fleet, but what is the Alpha Fleet getting in return? The main advantage of having these guys around is more opportunity for fleet members to exchange resources, but they're not excepting the one that people want most to contribute.. how is that fair?
Like I said, it's not my fleet, so I deal with it, but if it were my call I would remove all the fleets that just want to leech off the larger fleet.
Think about it: If it's hard now fighting for fleet mark donations with just your own fleet mates, how much harder will it be with everyone else in the armada trying to dump their marks into your fleet too?
That's how the other fleets feel, so they are not going to let you grab their open mark spots.
And so, many fleets simply block off particular fleet marks, since everyone seems to be swimming in them, and it doesn't really cost anyone to get Fleet Credits this way. Any player can always, without hestitation, and without actual cost to himself, spend his fleet marks on your fleet.
But Dilithium and EC costing stuff - that means an actual sacrifice. It's understsandeable that you want to favor your own fleet members here a bit,since they will almost certainly also contribute costly resources - it's the only way the Fleet holdings they want access to can advance.
I tend to reward fleets that allow donation of fleet marks by also sending DOFFs and Diltihium their way. (And consequently spend nothing on other fleets in the Armada. Well, other than my own fleet.)
It is too bad that both within a fleet and in armadas there isn't a way to tie flarks donations to making other donations first / too. If that happened armada members would be more likely to open up to flarks donations, and everyone who puts in EC-based and dil contributions would be more able to turn in their flarks.
I also wish, for the above reason that there was a way to see just who has donated what - tha way you could KNOW who is getting their Marks for the "easiest/cheapest" way and not actually contributing to the Fleet in a way that "costs" them anything.
You want someone to blame for this type of behavior, blame Cryptic, not the player.
The player making that contribution, especially a new player or a 'fresh 50-60' simply needs those other resources in order to advance. You can't expect someone that just hit 50+ and is trying to get their fleet gear to be able to fill the Dilithium or more expensive requirements when they need those resources for other things like their Rep Gear and upgrades.
The bottom line is that the whole fleet system sucks. It's by far my least favorite part of this game and I hate it. Honestly, why should the average fleet member care about anything else? Half the people in fleets are in fleets for one thing.. to get gear. The only other good reason to be in a fleet is to have fleet mates to talk with an play with. For the average player, Fleet marks are the only thing they are willing to contribute and often times the only thing they can afford. In my case for example, the fleet I'm in is already max level. I don't even look at the projects unless I have an excess of marks and need to buy gear. Other then that, why should I care?
The system asks players to contribute expensive resources that they need for other things, and offers an alternative to instead offer up a resource that's easy to acquire and doesn't cost the player anything (Fleet Marks.) You can't blame the player for taking the more affordable option. The entire system is simply idiotic and has been in dire need of a complete overhaul for years.
It doesn't even get you bragging rights if you do that, even though it's basically the most costly contribution you can make - you already spend Dilithium, Fleet Marks or whatever to get those credits, and you don't even get a prize indicating that you sacrificed your precious resources for the sake of your fleet.
However, I can also restrict what I contribute. Some Beta and Gamma Fleets expect their rich Uncle Alphas to carry them with huge contributions of Dilthium and those never-to-be-sufficiently-damned special Holding Provisions. And this on top of the discounts and bonuses they recieve being a Beta or a Gamma.
If I ran an Alpha Fleet and caught one of my Beta or Gammas restricting what Armada members could contribute, they'd be removed from the Armada just as fast as I could find the right button to click on. And all of the members placed on Ignore right after.
Same, I would send them to leech off someone else.
You are certanly entitled to you feelings and opinons, and thats fine.
I am a fleet leader of a Beta fleet in an armada. My fleet allows contributions of all of the categories. There are many alpha fleet members moving up the leaderboards of contributions but we are always needing everything but fleetmarks. I am fine with people contributing whatever but I can see where it would be a problem for otherfleets, as one of the quicker ways to contribute doffs is by spending fleet credits. If the internal fleet members cant turn in fleet marks for credits, they will run out of credits to buy doffs to contribute, and then things get hella expensive for a small fleet.
If you want to take advantage of another fleets fleet mark contributions, please at least contribute some doffs as well.