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Original Faction ships to the lotto system - concerning?

spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
Are you concerned that the original Faction ships are being put into the rng gambling pay wall?

With the TOS ships going into the very rare lotto of the r and D packs instead of the cstore, is this a concern for you?

Original Faction ships to the lotto system - concerning? 91 votes

Yes
57%
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No
42%
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    No
    If they were able to they would have. Odds are CBS still says no to a C-Store release, but they compromised for a Promo due to it coming up on the 50th Anniversary.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    No
    I'm going to say no because there's already a bunch of T6 ships that are in the C-store. Of course we "could" see more ships like a T6 Miranda, Oberth, or K'vort in a promo box but that would be GREAT news since as of right now, these ships will "never" be released.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    No
    rattler2 wrote: »
    If they were able to they would have. Odds are CBS still says no to a C-Store release, but they compromised for a Promo due to it coming up on the 50th Anniversary.

    Exactly. Cryptic/PWE would probably have loved to be selling T5 and then T6 connies for the last 4 years straight if they could.

    As someone else guessed in another thread, this was probably tied to contract renewal talks for adding the X1 and PS4. Extend the license past 2018, add Kelvin ships in a gamblebox, add the Connie in a gamblebox.
  • cryptkeeper0cryptkeeper0 Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    Yes
    Whats with all these Hypotheses to justify a bad consumer trust move... Sorry if that were the case, then there would have been more fed/kdf/rom ships in gambling boxs already. If not confirmed by cryptic, cbs, or perfect world any such speculation is not a valid excuse.
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    Yes
    Maybe the poll needs an extra part... a statement if you buy/use lockbox ships...it'd be intresting to see how many are fine with this as they have the resources irl/in game to get it

    I'd wager the ones fine with it likely can afford the ship in one form or another....
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Yes
    rattler2 wrote: »
    If they were able to they would have. Odds are CBS still says no to a C-Store release, but they compromised for a Promo due to it coming up on the 50th Anniversary.

    I call BS on that... lockbox and promo-RNG boxes like this make them a shitload more money and its much more in line with PWI's business model.... people seem to forget CBS aint the only masters Cryptic answer to
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  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    Yes
    I find the KDF and Rom ships more alarming than anything, with the KDF being stuck with a T5U Fleet K'tinga and no hope of ever seeing a T6, and the Romulans already having a T6 T'varo I cannot help but feel that it's double dipping to the extreme.
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  • tarran61tarran61 Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    Should be a I dont care option, after seeing what they released in the c-Store which isnt Trek in my book. If they would have placed them in the store at 5000 Zen ea, sold. R&D packs, I dont need to waste my Zen on that. Really, 300 Zen for rocks. The odds are not worth it.
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  • chozoelder2ndchozoelder2nd Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    No
    t6 Connie is a very special case. It's not that comparable to locking a t6 Nebula, Nova, Sovereign, or other common prime ships behind a promo.
    rattler2 wrote: »
    If they were able to they would have. Odds are CBS still says no to a C-Store release, but they compromised for a Promo due to it coming up on the 50th Anniversary.

    lockbox and promo-RNG boxes like this make them a shitload more money and its much more in line with PWI's business model
    But that's even more of a reason to why they would say yes this time to a t6 Connie. I agree with @rattler2. I'm not with the "I'd rather have nothing" crowd.
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    No
    It's a game.. entertainment, not basic service... you would not die if you dont play or anything... i'm F2P, and i have many ships and lockbox ones.. even buyed some of the c-store and a few lobi, my point is, there are means to get them.. i would complain that there is no way to get the ship i want (not really interested in this promo, i don't like those ships), but there is, so this is moot.

    I'm all for getting more ships in the game for people that want them, some are more exclusive, like the promos, others, are easy to aquire, like the c-store ones, so i dont see the problem, the only thing i see is a bussines doing bussines... because, you know, they have to earn money, and this is a great move.

    If i want an specific ship, i'll buy it... be Exchange, lobi or whatever, as they are not doing me a favor, and BTW, they give away a lot more than many MMO's out there, so, i'm ok with it, and i think that this was the only way to get the license to reléase the ship to the public, or they would have done it waaaay before.
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  • chozoelder2ndchozoelder2nd Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    No
    tarran61 wrote: »
    Should be a I dont care option, after seeing what they released in the c-Store which isnt Trek in my book. If they would have placed them in the store at 5000 Zen ea, sold. R&D packs, I dont need to waste my Zen on that. Really, 300 Zen for rocks. The odds are not worth it.

    You could always sell the packs if you don't want the R&D materials. They sell for somewhere between 12 and 16m. (This might vary even more since t6 Connie is possibly the most sought after ship ever. Hard to pinpoint how much this specific promo pack will be on the exchange. We'll see when we get there.) Don't open them if you don't want to take the risk. I would advise anyone to open them only if you want the R&D materials. Obviously you need to sell tons of zen's worth of promo packs, but you'd be surprised how fast ec starts to pile up if you farm it AND sell lots of packs.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    No
    Hell... just buying the packs themselves and selling them unopened may net you a ton of ECs. Maybe even enough to just outright buy the ship you want. These things are going to be that popular.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • chozoelder2ndchozoelder2nd Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    No
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Hell... just buying the packs themselves and selling them unopened may net you a ton of ECs. Maybe even enough to just outright buy the ship you want. These things are going to be that popular.

    Yeah, that's what I meant. To sell the packs if someone doesn't want to open them for the materials. I'll edit my post.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    No
    I'd take the mats. ;)
    I'm always having a problem with my Rubidium and Z-Particle supply.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    No
    Yea... as my main source of EC seems to come from selling tech upgrades, I burn through them quickly. But it was more of a sure thing then praying to the Random Number Gods for favorable mods on mk II weapons.

    Its how I got my Kelvin Connie.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    No
    Neither concerned nor surprised. Buy it or don't, but all this complaining will change exactly zilch.
  • ikonn#1068 ikonn Member Posts: 1,450 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    Yes
    Concerned about future releases such as this? Yes!

    Expecting things to change? No!

    My dream of having a T6 K't'inga may be shattered, but there is still a chance for the JJ Klingon "Warbird". At least if it shows in a lockbox, I'll have a much better chance at getting one.

    Would still like to see a T6 ship that has the K't'inga or "Warbird" skin in the C-Store though.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    No
    I think we might have enough material for a Kelvin Timeline 2 box, just like we have 2 different Xindi boxes. We still have the Kelvin herself for Fed, the Klingon "warbird" for KDF, and maybe a Kelvin BoP for Romulans. And for uniforms probably might extend into Beyond by then for access to materials, so maybe the field jacket for Feds and some new stuff for KDF and Romulans or Krall's outfit for KDF and Jaylah's for Romulans. Who knows.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    Yes
    I do appreciate your use of the word "concerning" as that accurately describes my feelings on the issue.I'm not mad or happy about this but I am concerned that this may become the 'norm' for distributing popular Star Trek ship designs... :/
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    No
    orion0029 wrote: »
    I do appreciate your use of the word "concerning" as that accurately describes my feelings on the issue.I'm not mad or happy about this but I am concerned that this may become the 'norm' for distributing popular Star Trek ship designs... :/

    I don't think it will. For years we have been denied an Endgame Connie by CBS, the IP holders themselves. It is entirely possible that their stance hasn't changed. They just loosened up because guess what's coming up next month? 50th Anniversary of Star Trek. So to celebrate... give us engame trifecta of TOS... on one condition. They are not account unlock C-Store ships. So... we got R&D Promo.

    After this we'll probably go back to alien design ships.

    This way... the IP Holders are happy, Cryptic is happy, and... most of the playerbase is happy. Relatively speaking.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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    colored text = mod mode
  • norcaler2norcaler2 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    Yes
    I find it troubling for two reasons. First, go back to past expansions. A month or two after Legacy of Romulus, they released the Scimitars. Around the same time after Delta Rising, they released the Pathfinder with the Intrepid interior. By that pattern, the release after Agents of Yesterday should have been these three ships bundled together. It makes me wonder if the AOY mega bundle fell below expected sales and certainly an eyeball test suggests that might be true. The ships from that bundle I see the most often are the Paladin and the three 31st Century temporal ships, which are available in smaller, cheaper bundles. If that's the case, then perhaps this R&D promotion is a way to make up for the shortfall.

    Second, if this meets or exceeds expectations, what does that mean for the future of ships in the C-Store? Will other highly demanded ships like the T6 Sovereign not be offered in the C-Store and be promo only? I don't have a problem with just these T6 ships being promo only; that just means I'll be only picking up the Connie for my TOS toon (eventually) instead of all three. It's what's happening behind the scenes I'm finding worrisome.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    No
    Why are people linking it to things like the old expansion bundles? What is the one variable we have now that we didn't have before?

    50th Anniversary of Star Trek

    We'll get a C-Store T6 Sovy.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
    colored text = mod mode
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    No
    I am not really concerned.

    I am not so enamored with the Star Trek IP that I feel the TOS Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser is a must have for me. Would I buy it if it was in the C-Store? Perhaps, but there are other ships available. Flying around in that ship does not make the game more "Star Trekkie" to me.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    No
    Nope.

    If I want them bad enough I'll just use EC and buy them off the exchange. No gambling needed.​​
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  • norcaler2norcaler2 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    Yes
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Why are people linking it to things like the old expansion bundles? What is the one variable we have now that we didn't have before?

    50th Anniversary of Star Trek

    We'll get a C-Store T6 Sovy.

    It's also the 20th anniversary of Star Trek: First Contact in November.

  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,666 Community Moderator
    No
    That would be a good time for a T6 Sovy release in the C-Store. They've updated a bunch of the other hero ship models like the Defiant and the Galaxy. The Sovy's due.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • norcaler2norcaler2 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    Yes
    rattler2 wrote: »
    That would be a good time for a T6 Sovy release in the C-Store. They've updated a bunch of the other hero ship models like the Defiant and the Galaxy. The Sovy's due.

    That's what people were saying about the T6 light cruiser and yet here we are.
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