I'm pretty sure now that they are releasing the T6 constitution that the entire excuse about cbs saying no was bs.
Actually I think it's because it is coming up on the 50th Anniversary of TOS. So... Special Event thing. And since it is not a C-Store release... I believe a C-Store T6 is still a no go.
Yep - my big complaint though is on the 'limited time' aspect of this R&D promotion. If they just did a '50th Anniversary' Lockbox - eventually we'd see these items on their new 'Infinity Lockbox' paradigm; but with this R&D promotion it's:
"If you want it, you have a little over two weeks, then it's GONE...period." <--- That sucks, and it's particularly 'money-grubbing' as in those two weeks those who really want one (and don't get extremely lucky) will really pay through the nose to get one.
Oh and BTW for all those fans in this game who can GET their Hero ship at T6 and begrudge us old TOS fans who WANT our hero ship with a T6 variant available - and throw out the 'Break Immersion' argument - give me a %$#@! break. This game really broke Immersion in a major way once all the various alien Lockbox ships hit; or if you really want to get technical, when Starfleet 'allowed' us to design our own crew uniforms.
In the end it's a game, and while I don't have an issue with Cryptic making money and charging us to fly the Hero ships of a given series, some of the methods they choose really are unfair to certain cadres of Star Trek fandom - and that's what really sucks.
This Fleet Admiral gives you a round of applause. Well said sir. You took the words right out of both my mouth and my brain. keep on trekking pun intended.
Or perhaps a Dragon masquerading as a Star Trek fan/gamer...
Or, could it be.... SATAN?
Better yet maybe they're Agent Smith from the Matrix. What I don't get about that franchise and I'm pretty sure y'all be wonderin' about it also is how the heck did that guy get out of the matrix in the first place. o_O
Remember who is saying that. Promotion Boxes are the best thing for those looking to make a fortune on selling these Ships. Hundreds of R&D Packs was stated that will be bought by them.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
They will have to bring the Promotion back eventually for the Console Crowd. A great untapped resource awaits there.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I really think the devs missed the golden opportunity on this one. They should have made it a 3 pack in the c-store and charge 7k zen. Without a doubt, the promo pack idea was not a good one.
I really think the devs missed the golden opportunity on this one. They should have made it a 3 pack in the c-store and charge 7k zen. Without a doubt, the promo pack idea was not a good one.
Without a doubt, you are wrong. People seem to think good for me = good for everyone else. Sorry, but it is quite clear that these promos and lockboxes produce WAY more revenue then c-store items. So I will take it is not a good idea for YOU...that does not mean it was not a good idea for cryptic.
That's not very nice man really. The thing damainx mentioned actually makes sense because that also would've generated revenue. Try to understand where they're coming from. Customers don't care what's good for the companies and services they purchase products from believe me most of them don't and companies most of them care about what pleases their customers. Trust me I work overnights as a Walmart stocker and pleasing and helping customers even on overnights is important to the managers. If you don't please and serve your customers even on MMO's your customers go bye bye and shop and buy somewhere else.
I really think the devs missed the golden opportunity on this one. They should have made it a 3 pack in the c-store and charge 7k zen. Without a doubt, the promo pack idea was not a good one.
Without a doubt, you are wrong. People seem to think good for me = good for everyone else. Sorry, but it is quite clear that these promos and lockboxes produce WAY more revenue then c-store items. So I will take it is not a good idea for YOU...that does not mean it was not a good idea for cryptic.
I have to agree for a couple of reasons-
C-Store = account unlock
R&D promo = character unlock, means if they want on many characters they'd be willing to pay/try for more.
Of cousrse there will always have naysayers who will try and misconstrue the truth as otherwise but the reality is that PWE/C makes may more on single instance sales than account unlocks. People with common sense KNOW this.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
I've never seen any sign of wal- mart being interested in pleasing customers, for example, they jack up the prices on tobacco products in what they call an "effort to discourage purchasing them for minors" when all it actually does is discourage customers from purchasing them at wal- mart.
Because they want your cash. And 30$ wasn't enough for their greed.
And also, if I had to guess, to spite the millions of "End Game Connie" threads ever created.
Pretty petty...but so is saying "I told you so..."
Why shouldn't they want our money? The servers don't run on good intentions and unicorn farts.
Just saying the classy way to release this "specific ship" would've been to put it in the C-Store. With the rest of the faction ships.
Still would've generated tons of profit for the meager amount of work they actually had to do on the ship.
*shrug*
Nothing wrong with making money. But some things should be sacred. For example, a symbol of Trek like the Connie, that people had begged for since launch.
Anyway, I don't even want one, I just think its a crappy thing to do the fans.
Usually company's do fanservice stuff every so often to throw a bone to the major fans..not fantrolling. lol but whatever.
I've never seen any sign of wal- mart being interested in pleasing customers, for example, they jack up the prices on tobacco products in what they call an "effort to discourage purchasing them for minors" when all it actually does is discourage customers from purchasing them at wal- mart.
Cigarettes keep going up in price because of "Sin tax".
And they will never be on sale or get cheaper, even if you buy them in bulk. Well, unless youre the retailer.
But you could always buy them on some reserve somewhere. Just don't get arrested.
No no no, there is nothing sacred in Trek, thats just ridiculous. Nothing really sacred in life either.
Granted its about the only thing I'd call sacred in regards to Trek.
I don't agree though that nothing is sacred in life.. "Your life" itself is sacred, or should at least be to you.
If not that's kind of sad. And you don't appreciate being alive.
It's definitely in Cryptic/PWE's best interests and definitely not in the interests of most of the players who might actually want one of these ships.
The RNG typically does not favor most players who do not do something over and over again. Even then, it doesn't always. Ask the people who did the grind on the old Borg STF's hoping for the magic drop. The RNG is why they had to change the way they awarded it and ended up giving us Reputations.
Historically, the RNG has always sucked even leaving lockboxes aside. STO works best when you make the numbers work for you. In this case, they don't. The smart people who've been stockpiling EC and making smart trades will be waiting for them to hit the exchange. They know how the numbers work.
I'm just too lazy and too busy to do it myself, or that's what I'd be doing
Buy the R&D packs if you really need an R&D pack. You might get lucky and even if you aren't you'll get Lobi that you can probably use down the road. But rolling the dice against house odds? Unwise.
I'm not one to rage against lockboxes. I got over that a long time ago. They're here to stay and as some people are pointing out they're good for funding future development.
But pretending that they're good for the gamers? Hah. They've never been fair, if getting a ship is your goal.
You gotta admire, it's a brilliant marketing strategy. Release the Kelvin Heavy Cruiser in a lockbox and let the fans fall all over themselves trying to get one. Then, put the Temporal Light Cruiser (TLC) T6 Connie in a promo box and watch people start opening their wallets all over again.
If they'd have done it the other way around, the TOS fans might not have shelled out trying to get the KHC thinking that was as close as they were going to get.
And I love the "Corbomite Maneuver" console. Possibly not the best option available in a starship battle you're trying to end quickly, but funny as heck. Could even be tactically useful to get the enemy headed away from you so that you or your teammates can flank them.
I don't understand the R&D method either. Theoretically it means reruns are possible, but it feels so slapdash and thoughtless.
I good while ago I proposed an idea I still think is better - make these TOS ships a non-flee grade T6 reward for an event grind, then release fleet-grade C-Store versions with 2410 skin (or I should say Temporal skins, given the theme), and allow the TOS skins to be applied to the new ships if players own the old ones. Give the event a long window so people have ample time to nab it, but close it off permanently when it's over. Thusly, exclusivity is maintained (which is part of the reason I assume a drop box was chosen for these ships - perhaps a stipulation on CBS' part that these be rare and hard to get), the TOS ships given out aren't inherently better than anything else, and those who earned the TOS ships still have access to the looks, which is presumably all they really want.
Why this or something like this wasn't the route they chose, we'll probably never know. What I do know is any dream I may have had of getting these is effectively snuffed out. I don't feel like I've been personally slighted or anything, just... disappointed.
Never know? We ALREADY know. It makes money. Lots of it. It allows them to make it available any time they want while still maintaining the high pressure sales pitch of "buy now or miss out".
I'm sure you do think "I could get it just by playing" is better. That's why they don't let players decide this things. And closing it off permanently is the height of bad idea. Serve the current players they already have and forever damn the new ones? Could you be ANY more self-centered?
If this is really your dream ship, start saving now. Maybe you'll have enough Ec to buy it the next time it comes around and you'll see the advantages in the current arrangement...
We know it is slapdash. That had the freaking R&D Weekend in mid-September and were going to run a Junior Officers Weekend this weekend. They just switched them around in the Calendar yesterday. 'Oh, maybe it would be better have an R&D Promotion starting on an R&D Weekend'.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
People can justify anti-consumer behavior all they want, as well as breaking promises, admittedly they were informal. In the end anti-consumer behavior hurts everyone in the long term, short term this promotion will be great for cryptic, and the people willing to jump on it. If a company only cares about it's greatest money patrons and craps all over the patrons who can't put that kind of money up. They will loose those customer sure they don't put a ton of money but numbers matter, even though the 'whales' spend a lot more, I do not agree that the customers who don't fall among them don't contribute a great sum retaliative to the 'whales'. Because those customers outnumber them, I do not have cryptic or perfect worlds monetary numbers. But neither do all of you being devils advocate so you can not speak as though you do.
If this were just some alien ship etc I wouldn't give a TRIBBLE, but this is a obvious as it gets as a way to exploit people nostalgia for purely excess profits. Most of this money will not find it's way back here. It's so perfect world and cbs can make their share holders happy in star trek online. Which would be fine except, that it breaks the informal promises they have made to the community on the RNG cash system.
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This Fleet Admiral gives you a round of applause. Well said sir. You took the words right out of both my mouth and my brain. keep on trekking pun intended.
No they ain't. Lockboxes are better.
Better yet maybe they're Agent Smith from the Matrix. What I don't get about that franchise and I'm pretty sure y'all be wonderin' about it also is how the heck did that guy get out of the matrix in the first place. o_O
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
That's not very nice man really. The thing damainx mentioned actually makes sense because that also would've generated revenue. Try to understand where they're coming from. Customers don't care what's good for the companies and services they purchase products from believe me most of them don't and companies most of them care about what pleases their customers. Trust me I work overnights as a Walmart stocker and pleasing and helping customers even on overnights is important to the managers. If you don't please and serve your customers even on MMO's your customers go bye bye and shop and buy somewhere else.
I have to agree for a couple of reasons-
C-Store = account unlock
R&D promo = character unlock, means if they want on many characters they'd be willing to pay/try for more.
Of cousrse there will always have naysayers who will try and misconstrue the truth as otherwise but the reality is that PWE/C makes may more on single instance sales than account unlocks. People with common sense KNOW this.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
Whatever.
And also, if I had to guess, to spite the millions of "End Game Connie" threads ever created.
Pretty petty...but so is saying "I told you so..."
It's sad. But the truth.
Just saying the classy way to release this "specific ship" would've been to put it in the C-Store. With the rest of the faction ships.
Still would've generated tons of profit for the meager amount of work they actually had to do on the ship.
*shrug*
Nothing wrong with making money. But some things should be sacred. For example, a symbol of Trek like the Connie, that people had begged for since launch.
Anyway, I don't even want one, I just think its a crappy thing to do the fans.
Usually company's do fanservice stuff every so often to throw a bone to the major fans..not fantrolling. lol but whatever.
Cigarettes keep going up in price because of "Sin tax".
And they will never be on sale or get cheaper, even if you buy them in bulk. Well, unless youre the retailer.
But you could always buy them on some reserve somewhere. Just don't get arrested.
Granted its about the only thing I'd call sacred in regards to Trek.
I don't agree though that nothing is sacred in life.. "Your life" itself is sacred, or should at least be to you.
If not that's kind of sad. And you don't appreciate being alive.
It's definitely in Cryptic/PWE's best interests and definitely not in the interests of most of the players who might actually want one of these ships.
The RNG typically does not favor most players who do not do something over and over again. Even then, it doesn't always. Ask the people who did the grind on the old Borg STF's hoping for the magic drop. The RNG is why they had to change the way they awarded it and ended up giving us Reputations.
Historically, the RNG has always sucked even leaving lockboxes aside. STO works best when you make the numbers work for you. In this case, they don't. The smart people who've been stockpiling EC and making smart trades will be waiting for them to hit the exchange. They know how the numbers work.
I'm just too lazy and too busy to do it myself, or that's what I'd be doing
Buy the R&D packs if you really need an R&D pack. You might get lucky and even if you aren't you'll get Lobi that you can probably use down the road. But rolling the dice against house odds? Unwise.
I'm not one to rage against lockboxes. I got over that a long time ago. They're here to stay and as some people are pointing out they're good for funding future development.
But pretending that they're good for the gamers? Hah. They've never been fair, if getting a ship is your goal.
If they'd have done it the other way around, the TOS fans might not have shelled out trying to get the KHC thinking that was as close as they were going to get.
And I love the "Corbomite Maneuver" console.
I good while ago I proposed an idea I still think is better - make these TOS ships a non-flee grade T6 reward for an event grind, then release fleet-grade C-Store versions with 2410 skin (or I should say Temporal skins, given the theme), and allow the TOS skins to be applied to the new ships if players own the old ones. Give the event a long window so people have ample time to nab it, but close it off permanently when it's over. Thusly, exclusivity is maintained (which is part of the reason I assume a drop box was chosen for these ships - perhaps a stipulation on CBS' part that these be rare and hard to get), the TOS ships given out aren't inherently better than anything else, and those who earned the TOS ships still have access to the looks, which is presumably all they really want.
Why this or something like this wasn't the route they chose, we'll probably never know. What I do know is any dream I may have had of getting these is effectively snuffed out. I don't feel like I've been personally slighted or anything, just... disappointed.
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I'm sure you do think "I could get it just by playing" is better. That's why they don't let players decide this things. And closing it off permanently is the height of bad idea. Serve the current players they already have and forever damn the new ones? Could you be ANY more self-centered?
If this is really your dream ship, start saving now. Maybe you'll have enough Ec to buy it the next time it comes around and you'll see the advantages in the current arrangement...
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
If this were just some alien ship etc I wouldn't give a TRIBBLE, but this is a obvious as it gets as a way to exploit people nostalgia for purely excess profits. Most of this money will not find it's way back here. It's so perfect world and cbs can make their share holders happy in star trek online. Which would be fine except, that it breaks the informal promises they have made to the community on the RNG cash system.