I've said it before, I don't see any more temporal ships coming in the near future (I could still be wrong).
Three of them come exclusively in T6 and are *clearly* identifiable as evolutions of the Wells-design.
I dont see the 'clear' evolution of any of these from the Wells design,In fact I see no connection with any of the 31st Century ships to the Wells itself..But I can see some of the KDF variant in the Ouroboros ..But Id love to read what makes you think so?
I specifically aimed my statement towards the three cross-faction temporal ships. Chronos, Eternal, Ouroboros all share basic design-elements of the Wells, leading to the conclusion that these ships are indeed evolutions of that particular design. It's not even "thinking", it's "just looking at them".
I really love my Wells (and Korath) too. It's not like I'd be against one, it's just so darn unlikely regarding that flood of temporal themed stuff. And I agree that the Nova is currently a more deserving candidate for re-vamp...
The wells is still a beast of a ship. I retooled mine last night and ran it heavy sci spec with Intel primary and TempOp 2ndary, hit 85k dps and half of that was science stuff.
My wells T5U seems to perform as well as my T6 ships. I was using it pretty much as my standard until I got my Vengeance. I am not sure it needs a T6 make-over.
My wells T5U seems to perform as well as my T6 ships. I was using it pretty much as my standard until I got my Vengeance. I am not sure it needs a T6 make-over.
To be honest, I'd argue that the Vesta doesn't really need a T6 makeover either - its still one heck of a ship at T5-U.
I disliked the Vesta, I tried to like it but I couldn't so I wasn't sure why they wasted time making it in the first place, and really wouldn't want them to waste time on a T6 Variant. I don't think the 31st century version really is a T6 Vesta, it doesn't turn as well. Regardless they're both ugly. Not as ugly as the temporal science vessel though, in either style, Though the Soccer ball glued to the front of a milk can look is probably the uglier of the versions of that.
My wells T5U seems to perform as well as my T6 ships. I was using it pretty much as my standard until I got my Vengeance. I am not sure it needs a T6 make-over.
To be honest, I'd argue that the Vesta doesn't really need a T6 makeover either - its still one heck of a ship at T5-U.
The Scimitar didn't need a Tier 6 makeover since it is an absolute beast, but when has that ever matter to Cryptic.
To be honest I'm supprised they didn't release a T6 Wells what with Daniels flying one and the fact that they are in nearly every mission this season.
I'd love one, just got the T5 one a month ago and it's a brilliant ship, just one extra boff seat and a chance to play with the new temporal powers would be real nice.
The Eternal, Chronos and Paradox may be similar in looks but they handle nothing like the Wells does.
Daniels never flew a wells. Walker flew a wells.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
My wells T5U seems to perform as well as my T6 ships. I was using it pretty much as my standard until I got my Vengeance. I am not sure it needs a T6 make-over.
T6 power up would just give it access to the new specialized seating that it doesn't have (and 1 more Boff seat). Im hoping for Temporal (due to it being a time ship...). Its a beast in the right hands without it...Buut...the added flexibility would be nice.
My wells T5U seems to perform as well as my T6 ships. I was using it pretty much as my standard until I got my Vengeance. I am not sure it needs a T6 make-over.
That goes for pretty much every T5-U fleet-level ship (lockbox-, Lobi- and "big bundle"-vessels that never had a fleet-refit all count towards that. Only downsides are no lvl5-trait, no specialisations and no additional console- or BOff-slots. Many players still use some of the ships counting into that category.
I'm sure most if not all of them *will* receive a T6-version in the future. Can take a while though.
To be honest I'm supprised they didn't release a T6 Wells what with Daniels flying one and the fact that they are in nearly every mission this season.
I'd love one, just got the T5 one a month ago and it's a brilliant ship, just one extra boff seat and a chance to play with the new temporal powers would be real nice.
The Eternal, Chronos and Paradox may be similar in looks but they handle nothing like the Wells does.
Daniels never flew a wells. Walker flew a wells.
Dammit I knew it was one of them! All this timey wimey stuff makes my head hurt....
My wells T5U seems to perform as well as my T6 ships. I was using it pretty much as my standard until I got my Vengeance. I am not sure it needs a T6 make-over.
That goes for pretty much every T5-U fleet-level ship (lockbox-, Lobi- and "big bundle"-vessels that never had a fleet-refit all count towards that. Only downsides are no lvl5-trait, no specialisations and no additional console- or BOff-slots. Many players still use some of the ships counting into that category.
I'm sure most if not all of them *will* receive a T6-version in the future. Can take a while though.
Difference is the Vesta wasn't a lockbox/lobi ship- and as far as "big bundles go", Can you say T6 Odyssey? (point is I'm not sure that "rule" applies here)
I'd personally love to see a T6 Vesta simply for the fact I'd like to utilize the current game specializations with boff seating, etc (be it Intel, Temporal or whatever). Does this mean I cannot use my T-5U currently? No, but it would be nice to take advantage of introduced specialization systems and so forth without having to "settle" for another ship (i.e., Pathfinder) just to do it.
The problem with the Tiering system as it stands is that there's no utilization of current mechanics for older ships as they introduce more to the game- which leads me to believe they'll just keep piling it on and not really support any of the older purchases people have made. No, I don't expect all my Tier 1-4 retrofits to get a T6 upgrade- but it sure would be nice if they didn't just keep introducing "new bling" all the time, leaving the other models in the dust.
Some of us actually prefer the older models that have been in game for years over the newer ships.
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Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
So.... is this a bad time to ask for a Wells/Rmor/Korath T6 with Commander Sci/Temporal and a LT eng/Specialty seating (Up from Ensign eng)?
Or have the LTC uni/Temporal with the Commander Sci/Temporal?
Eh? Kinda wanting my 29th Century Time-ship to finally see a hybrid of the New Specializations..
Not that the 31st Century Eternal class isn't good (Its an all my alts that dont fly a 29th century vessel)...But I kinda like my Science Timeship due to the performance (unmodified) being closer to an escort (in turn, size and inertia) than a cruiser...
No need really with the new T-6 temporal ships they have Wells DNA and lines in them so it would be kind of redundant.
So.... is this a bad time to ask for a Wells/Rmor/Korath T6 with Commander Sci/Temporal and a LT eng/Specialty seating (Up from Ensign eng)?
Or have the LTC uni/Temporal with the Commander Sci/Temporal?
Eh? Kinda wanting my 29th Century Time-ship to finally see a hybrid of the New Specializations..
Not that the 31st Century Eternal class isn't good (Its an all my alts that dont fly a 29th century vessel)...But I kinda like my Science Timeship due to the performance (unmodified) being closer to an escort (in turn, size and inertia) than a cruiser...
No need really with the new T-6 temporal ships they have Wells DNA and lines in them so it would be kind of redundant.
Sto is all about redundant. They may have "Wells" Dna but its still not a wells..Ill keep my fingers crossed that well see a T6 wells by the end of the Future Proof arc.
In comparing the manvuerablity of a Vesta and Eternal people forget that the Eternal has Offence Configuration which not boosts the Eternal's Turn rate by 20%, but also gives it +20% speed, and and boosts the damage of its Molecular Deconstruction Beam.
This makes the Eternal faster and better at turning then the Vesta when it really needs to be.
A Eternal in Offence Config will have a turn rate of 13.8 and a speed of 18 vs. a Vesta with a turn rate of 12 and a speed of 15.
The Eternal has better hull and shields.
Both can equipt cannons.
Boff seating almost the same except the Sci Commander and Lt. Tac is a Hybrid Temporal seat on the Eternal and the Vesta has a uni ensign.
The Vesta has 5% more weapons power, but the Eternal has 5% more shield power and 5% more Aux (Vesta +10 Aux Power & +5 Weapons Power vs. 15% Aux & +5 Shield power for the Eternal.)
The only advantage that the Vesta has is AUX cannons (someone should try and see if they work on the Eternal, after all the Eternal isn't listed as being able to use cannons, but it can), and the Ensign Uni.
An Eternal Should be able to do any build a Vesta can do, but better, unless said build henges on having an extra tac ensign boff.
The Eternal has the following advantages better hull, better shields, Molecular Reconstruction with three configs and Molecular Deconstruction Beam, Temporal Hybrid Boffs seats, cross faction, a Eng Lt. Commander slot vs. Lt. Eng.
The Eternal can be better at tanking, sci, or offence then the Vesta, although not at the exact same time, but you can switch between them easily.
On funny thing about the Eternal is you can have no less then three Engineering Boff powers, but the Chronos Dreadnaught Cruiser only needs to have 1 Engineering power (in fact my only has an Ensign Engineering Boff).
In Support Config you have 20% more exotic damage and 40 morr control, in Defence Config you have %20 more incoming healing, and in Offence Config you have 20% more turn rate and speed. Those are major buffs.
Now comparing the Eternal to the Wells, the Wells moves better and faster then an Eternal in Offence Config, can go almost pure Sci Boffs with only an Engineering Ensign.
I don't know if the Vesta and the Eternal get a Secondary Deflector, they might trade that for a Hangar Bay.
So in conclusion that Eternal is a Temporal T6 Vesta, minus the ability to share consoles with the T5 Vesta, not a T6 Wells at all.
The only think the Eternal has in common with the Wells is simularity of appearence and a Temporal Theme.
Heck even the Chronos feels like of like a Cruiser Vesta.
A Eternal in Offence Config will have a turn rate of 13.8 and a speed of 18 vs. a Vesta with a turn rate of 12 and a speed of 15.
The Eternal has better hull and shields.
Both can equipt cannons.
Boff seating almost the same except the Sci Commander and Lt. Tac is a Hybrid Temporal seat on the Eternal and the Vesta has a uni ensign.
The Vesta has 5% more weapons power, but the Eternal has 5% more shield power and 5% more Aux (Vesta +10 Aux Power & +5 Weapons Power vs. 15% Aux & +5 Shield power for the Eternal.)
The only advantage that the Vesta has is AUX cannons (someone should try and see if they work on the Eternal, after all the Eternal isn't listed as being able to use cannons, but it can), and the Ensign Uni.
An Eternal Should be able to do any build a Vesta can do, but better, unless said build henges on having an extra tac ensign boff.
The Eternal has the following advantages better hull, better shields, Molecular Reconstruction with three configs and Molecular Deconstruction Beam, Temporal Hybrid Boffs seats, cross faction, a Eng Lt. Commander slot vs. Lt. Eng.
The Eternal can be better at tanking, sci, or offence then the Vesta, although not at the exact same time, but you can switch between them easily.
On funny thing about the Eternal is you can have no less then three Engineering Boff powers, but the Chronos Dreadnaught Cruiser only needs to have 1 Engineering power (in fact my only has an Ensign Engineering Boff).
In Support Config you have 20% more exotic damage and 40 morr control, in Defence Config you have %20 more incoming healing, and in Offence Config you have 20% more turn rate and speed. Those are major buffs.
Now comparing the Eternal to the Wells, the Wells moves better and faster then an Eternal in Offence Config, can go almost pure Sci Boffs with only an Engineering Ensign.
I don't know if the Vesta and the Eternal get a Secondary Deflector, they might trade that for a Hangar Bay.
So in conclusion that Eternal is a Temporal T6 Vesta, minus the ability to share consoles with the T5 Vesta, not a T6 Wells at all.
The only think the Eternal has in common with the Wells is simularity of appearence and a Temporal Theme.
Heck even the Chronos feels like of like a Cruiser Vesta.
Yea they get a secondary deflector.. Thankyou for the explanation. I'm glad im not the only one who said the Eternal was more vesta than wells...Granted ..Im not asking for the molecular reconstruction on a T6 wells(though it might be cool..). Full Temporal seating would be neat on a T6 Wells..Why would anyone want a T6 wells? Its its own unique brand of Temporal ship...
The reasons to want a T6 Wells/R'Mor/Korath are Greater Speed & Turn rate, to use the Wells console (and other temporal consoles), the very different boff layout.
It is weird that Temporal Ships like the Paradox,Wells,Temporal Destroyers, Anorax, don't use Temporal seats and Molecular Reconstruction, but my head cannon is that the 26th Century ships use a prototype of a particular Temporal technology that works by changing the Temporal state of Molecules, while a Wells, Anorax, and Paradox use Time Stream technology instead, and the 31st Century use a prefected verison of the 26th Century Temporal Molecular Technology, and the Kelvin Ships have technology on board that with modification can diplicate some minor Temporal Molecular Technology effects. All Temporal Operative powers use Temporal Molecular and not Time Stream technology.
I will note their is one way in which both the Eternal, Chronos, and, Temporal Raider IS more like the the Wells then the Vesta and that's the bridge. The Eternal, Chronos, and Teml Raider all get the Wells Bridge no matter the faction.
Some of us have asked for a unique bridge for the 31st Century ships.
The Eternal and her big brother the Chronos take after they're mom in the looks department, but take after they're father the Vesta in substance with Chronos training with the Vengence in his spare time.
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I specifically aimed my statement towards the three cross-faction temporal ships. Chronos, Eternal, Ouroboros all share basic design-elements of the Wells, leading to the conclusion that these ships are indeed evolutions of that particular design. It's not even "thinking", it's "just looking at them".
I really love my Wells (and Korath) too. It's not like I'd be against one, it's just so darn unlikely regarding that flood of temporal themed stuff. And I agree that the Nova is currently a more deserving candidate for re-vamp...
Would I love to see a t6 version? Yes.
I disliked the Vesta, I tried to like it but I couldn't so I wasn't sure why they wasted time making it in the first place, and really wouldn't want them to waste time on a T6 Variant. I don't think the 31st century version really is a T6 Vesta, it doesn't turn as well. Regardless they're both ugly. Not as ugly as the temporal science vessel though, in either style, Though the Soccer ball glued to the front of a milk can look is probably the uglier of the versions of that.
The Scimitar didn't need a Tier 6 makeover since it is an absolute beast, but when has that ever matter to Cryptic.
Daniels never flew a wells. Walker flew a wells.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
T6 power up would just give it access to the new specialized seating that it doesn't have (and 1 more Boff seat). Im hoping for Temporal (due to it being a time ship...). Its a beast in the right hands without it...Buut...the added flexibility would be nice.
Rouge Sto Wiki Editor.
That goes for pretty much every T5-U fleet-level ship (lockbox-, Lobi- and "big bundle"-vessels that never had a fleet-refit all count towards that. Only downsides are no lvl5-trait, no specialisations and no additional console- or BOff-slots. Many players still use some of the ships counting into that category.
I'm sure most if not all of them *will* receive a T6-version in the future. Can take a while though.
Dammit I knew it was one of them! All this timey wimey stuff makes my head hurt....
Difference is the Vesta wasn't a lockbox/lobi ship- and as far as "big bundles go", Can you say T6 Odyssey? (point is I'm not sure that "rule" applies here)
I'd personally love to see a T6 Vesta simply for the fact I'd like to utilize the current game specializations with boff seating, etc (be it Intel, Temporal or whatever). Does this mean I cannot use my T-5U currently? No, but it would be nice to take advantage of introduced specialization systems and so forth without having to "settle" for another ship (i.e., Pathfinder) just to do it.
The problem with the Tiering system as it stands is that there's no utilization of current mechanics for older ships as they introduce more to the game- which leads me to believe they'll just keep piling it on and not really support any of the older purchases people have made. No, I don't expect all my Tier 1-4 retrofits to get a T6 upgrade- but it sure would be nice if they didn't just keep introducing "new bling" all the time, leaving the other models in the dust.
Some of us actually prefer the older models that have been in game for years over the newer ships.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
Sto is all about redundant. They may have "Wells" Dna but its still not a wells..Ill keep my fingers crossed that well see a T6 wells by the end of the Future Proof arc.
Rouge Sto Wiki Editor.
A Chronos is a Galaxy-X/Corsair had a baby with Wells/Korath/R'mor, with a Avenger/Morgh Godfather.
The Temporal Raider is like a Klingon B'rel had a baby with a Wells.
This makes the Eternal faster and better at turning then the Vesta when it really needs to be.
The Eternal has better hull and shields.
Both can equipt cannons.
Boff seating almost the same except the Sci Commander and Lt. Tac is a Hybrid Temporal seat on the Eternal and the Vesta has a uni ensign.
The Vesta has 5% more weapons power, but the Eternal has 5% more shield power and 5% more Aux (Vesta +10 Aux Power & +5 Weapons Power vs. 15% Aux & +5 Shield power for the Eternal.)
The only advantage that the Vesta has is AUX cannons (someone should try and see if they work on the Eternal, after all the Eternal isn't listed as being able to use cannons, but it can), and the Ensign Uni.
An Eternal Should be able to do any build a Vesta can do, but better, unless said build henges on having an extra tac ensign boff.
The Eternal has the following advantages better hull, better shields, Molecular Reconstruction with three configs and Molecular Deconstruction Beam, Temporal Hybrid Boffs seats, cross faction, a Eng Lt. Commander slot vs. Lt. Eng.
The Eternal can be better at tanking, sci, or offence then the Vesta, although not at the exact same time, but you can switch between them easily.
On funny thing about the Eternal is you can have no less then three Engineering Boff powers, but the Chronos Dreadnaught Cruiser only needs to have 1 Engineering power (in fact my only has an Ensign Engineering Boff).
In Support Config you have 20% more exotic damage and 40 morr control, in Defence Config you have %20 more incoming healing, and in Offence Config you have 20% more turn rate and speed. Those are major buffs.
Now comparing the Eternal to the Wells, the Wells moves better and faster then an Eternal in Offence Config, can go almost pure Sci Boffs with only an Engineering Ensign.
I don't know if the Vesta and the Eternal get a Secondary Deflector, they might trade that for a Hangar Bay.
So in conclusion that Eternal is a Temporal T6 Vesta, minus the ability to share consoles with the T5 Vesta, not a T6 Wells at all.
The only think the Eternal has in common with the Wells is simularity of appearence and a Temporal Theme.
Heck even the Chronos feels like of like a Cruiser Vesta.
Yea they get a secondary deflector.. Thankyou for the explanation. I'm glad im not the only one who said the Eternal was more vesta than wells...Granted ..Im not asking for the molecular reconstruction on a T6 wells(though it might be cool..). Full Temporal seating would be neat on a T6 Wells..Why would anyone want a T6 wells? Its its own unique brand of Temporal ship...
Rouge Sto Wiki Editor.
It is weird that Temporal Ships like the Paradox,Wells,Temporal Destroyers, Anorax, don't use Temporal seats and Molecular Reconstruction, but my head cannon is that the 26th Century ships use a prototype of a particular Temporal technology that works by changing the Temporal state of Molecules, while a Wells, Anorax, and Paradox use Time Stream technology instead, and the 31st Century use a prefected verison of the 26th Century Temporal Molecular Technology, and the Kelvin Ships have technology on board that with modification can diplicate some minor Temporal Molecular Technology effects. All Temporal Operative powers use Temporal Molecular and not Time Stream technology.
I will note their is one way in which both the Eternal, Chronos, and, Temporal Raider IS more like the the Wells then the Vesta and that's the bridge. The Eternal, Chronos, and Teml Raider all get the Wells Bridge no matter the faction.
Some of us have asked for a unique bridge for the 31st Century ships.