Idea to write Chekov out of Star Trek movies

doubleohnine

I hear they dont plan on recasting Chekov. Im soo happy with that decision. They also say they dont know how to write Chekov out.

Heres how: Im assuming Enterprise is lost and destroyed after Beyond. While they wait for Enterprise 1701-A to be built/commissioned, it makes sense for crew to be doing stuff inbetween movies. They could say Chekov was serving on another ship, in engineering, buffing up on his skills. He's maybe the second engineering officer, and the chief gets killed. The ship either gets in a battle with an enemy ship or has some catastrophe that forces the crew to abandon ship. Chekov stays in engineering keeping systems up while crew escapes in shuttles and pods. Captain and Chekov are last on board. Capt tells Chekov its time to go, meetup at last pod in mid decks. Explosion traps Chekov in engineering, transporters down. He tells his Captain to get out. Capt escapes, ship explodes behind him. Chekov is lost, and credited with heroically saving the lives of his crew and Captain.

This happens a few weeks before Enterprise is about to get under way, and Kirk is reassembling his crew, and gathering them back from their other assignments. The captain of that ship wants to break the news to Jim personally. At beginning of movie, the captains tells the story to Jim. They dont have to shoot those scenes, they just show Captain somberly telling Kirk the story of Chekovs bravery and that he wont be rejoining Enterprise when she gets under way. Possible funeral scene at beginning of Star Trek 4 too.

This gives Chekov an honorable death and a way to tell the story of his loss without having to shoot scenes Anton cant be in. Ive heard others say promote or reasign him. No. Kill the character off honorably, it makes no sense for Chekov to be alive and anywhere else when the new Enterprise is back under way.

They can replace his station with a new character Arab/Muslim officer if they must, since Takai said thats a new goal for the franchise.

artan42

Captain or first officer of the Reliant instead of Sulu leaving for the Excelsior. I can't really see any other way other than an off-screen departure coming across as something other than disrespectful or tacky. Send him off to sail the stars and not just use him for cheap drama.

As for his replacement, Carol Marcus is weapons trained. M'Ress or the three armed guy would also be good (it'd also give us a chance to see an actual Caitian on screen and not Riasans with Cardassian ears).

Having a Muslim would be a really bad idea. Other than Worf and Chakotay no Starfleet officer has a proper religion due to it being mostly dead in the future (see most of TNG).
But then again, that's mainly due to people thinking 'Muslim' is a race of people and not a religion. A blond haired white male could be a Muslim and it wouldn't help their 'diversity quotas'. I strongly object to characters being added to tick boxes and introducing a religious character into a franchise that is humanistic in principle is wrong. It's the exact opposite of making Sulu g.ay, that was filling in the backstory of a character who had had zero onscreen relationships in TOS and its films.

As for adding an Arab, that would be sooo cutting edge if it wasn't for the fact that Bashir was part of the show almost 20 years ago.
How about a Botswana or an New Zealander? There's been none of those as of yet.​​

doubleohnine

The actor is dead. Its not cheap drama, its giving him a more honorable death than he got in life. Sending him off to another ship is cheap IMO.

Not my idea to bring in a Muslim, thats George Takai's idea. Yes it is stupid, and yes Starfleet clearly has a no religion policy lol. All the show ever does is make religions look bad, or a source of corruption and evil. Theyd surely find a way to TRIBBLE off Muslims with their handling of the character. Which means thats likely who replaces Chekov's station.

daveyny

I suggested in another thread that they use a CGI 'Anton' Chekov at the beginning of the next movie (Nu-Trek 4) to show him quickly being caught in a Temporal Event that rapidly ages him and then have Walter Koenig come out the other end.
Then incorporate Walter's Chekov into the plot of the movie and just have him retire from Star Fleet at the conclusion.

That way both versions of Chekov get a lovely sendoff and nobody has to die on film.

jonsills

Note: Starfleet does not have a "no religion" policy. In "Balance of Terror", the teaser shows Kirk about to officiate over a wedding in the ship's chapel (and the tag showed Lt. Martine mourning the death of her about-to-be husband in that same chapel). Rather, by the time of TNG, Roddenberry had apparently become a hardcore atheist, to the point that he directed that no episode should ever show religion in a positive light. On the other hand, Ensign Ro got to wear her Bajoran earrings, their culture's equivalent to wearing a cross or Star-of-David pendant, while on duty, so...

On the third hand, there are indeed ethnic groups that have been underrepresented in Trek. I think a Maori or Samoan navigation officer might be a nice touch.​​

theraven2378

jonsills wrote: »

Note: Starfleet does not have a "no religion" policy. In "Balance of Terror", the teaser shows Kirk about to officiate over a wedding in the ship's chapel (and the tag showed Lt. Martine mourning the death of her about-to-be husband in that same chapel). Rather, by the time of TNG, Roddenberry had apparently become a hardcore atheist, to the point that he directed that no episode should ever show religion in a positive light. On the other hand, Ensign Ro got to wear her Bajoran earrings, their culture's equivalent to wearing a cross or Star-of-David pendant, while on duty, so...

On the third hand, there are indeed ethnic groups that have been underrepresented in Trek. I think a Maori or Samoan navigation officer might be a nice touch.​​

Or maybe introduce Saavik into the JJverse as Chekov's replacement

doubleohnine

I was kidding about Starfleets no religion policy. Yeah, its very obvious Gene was a religion hater. A Samoan huh? So youre suggesting we bring in The Rock?

jonsills

Would Dwayne Johnson even fit into a Starfleet regulation chair? ​​

knightraider6

jonsills wrote: »

Would Dwayne Johnson even fit into a Starfleet regulation chair? ​​

he'd have to use the Riker Manuver everytime he sat down.

artan42

The ceremony in 'Balance of Terror' was so mild a Methodist would say it was a bit bland and generic.

I doubt Starfleet has an anti-religion policy any more than it would have an anti-jousting policy. Both are concepts that existed in the past and we're quite popular at the time and some special interest groups still do it but it's hardly mainstream anymore.

I do think Saavik would also be good. Or the Galaxy Quest style alien who gets some close ups in the trailer near the main characters.

jonsills

artan42 wrote: »

The ceremony in 'Balance of Terror' was so mild a Methodist would say it was a bit bland and generic.

Having been raised United Methodist, I have to say this is a remarkably accurate statement. ​​

artan42

doubleohnine wrote: »

The actor is dead. Its not cheap drama, its giving him a more honorable death than he got in life. Sending him off to another ship is cheap IMO.

I think it is. Killing of characters is usually done to surprise or to show stakes are high easily. Killing of the character to honour the actor will come across as almost every other cheap death in films.

doubleohnine wrote: »

Not my idea to bring in a Muslim, thats George Takai's idea. Yes it is stupid, and yes Starfleet clearly has a no religion policy lol. All the show ever does is make religions look bad, or a source of corruption and evil. Theyd surely find a way to **** off Muslims with their handling of the character. Which means thats likely who replaces Chekov's station.

I was replying to the general concept, not to you specifically.​​

iconians

The character of Chekov is bigger than Anton Yelchin. I think a brief absence from the Star Trek films is alright, as audiences and the cast and crew of the films need time to grieve and heal from the absence of Anton Yelchin.

But to write a character out entirely I think does a bigger disservice to the actor. He inherited the role from Walter Koenig, and I think it only makes sense that somebody else is brought on board to take up the characterization of Chekov.

This isn't the first time an actor has died, and numerous characters have been re-cast after the demise of the previous actor and plenty of people never considered it in poor taste then, nor should they now.​​

evilmark444

Killing him off is not the right way to do it. They should either have something happen that rapidly ages him into Walter Koenig, or have a line of dialogue referencing his promotion to first officer of another ship, and possibly have future Chekhov (Koenig) pay the Enterprise a visit.

fmgtorres1979

I vote for a sex change and we get Chekova

marcusdkane

In Wrath of Khan, Chekov was no longer part of the Enterprise crew... Easiest, least schmaltzy and cheesy thing to do, would be to have Ilia, Saavik (or any other character) come onto the bridge, and simply have someone make reference to Chekov's assignment to the Reliant...

markhawkman

marcusdkane wrote: »

In Wrath of Khan, Chekov was no longer part of the Enterprise crew... Easiest, least schmaltzy and cheesy thing to do, would be to have Ilia, Saavik (or any other character) come onto the bridge, and simply have someone make reference to Chekov's assignment to the Reliant...

Agreed. Just toss in a bit of dialog to explain he's somewhere else... permanently.

tymersto

If they write Chekov out for KT4, I wouldn't see a issue with that.
Most likely if there is a KT5, I would imagine Bad Robot would pull a The Other Darrin for Chekov. It's not like a noted character in a movie franchise had that done due to death or dumped cause the 1st actor wanted more money.


Thank you for the time...

evilmark444

tymersto wrote: »

If they write Chekov out for KT4, I wouldn't see a issue with that.
Most likely if there is a KT5, I would imagine Bad Robot would pull a The Other Darrin for Chekov. It's not like a noted character in a movie franchise had that done due to death or dumped cause the 1st actor wanted more money.


Thank you for the time...

The only replacement I would accept would be Walter Koenig, with a temporal explanation. Anyone else would be disrespectful imho.

marcusdkane

tymersto wrote: »

If they write Chekov out for KT4, I wouldn't see a issue with that.
Most likely if there is a KT5, I would imagine Bad Robot would pull a The Other Darrin for Chekov. It's not like a noted character in a movie franchise had that done due to death or dumped cause the 1st actor wanted more money.


Thank you for the time...

When they did that in Goodnight, Sweetheart (with both leading ladies) I felt it really changed the dynamic of the show, and not necessarily for the better... Time will tell what route they go down

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evilmark444

marcusdkane wrote: »

tymersto wrote: »

If they write Chekov out for KT4, I wouldn't see a issue with that.
Most likely if there is a KT5, I would imagine Bad Robot would pull a The Other Darrin for Chekov. It's not like a noted character in a movie franchise had that done due to death or dumped cause the 1st actor wanted more money.


Thank you for the time...

When they did that in Goodnight, Sweetheart (with both leading ladies) I felt it really changed the dynamic of the show, and not necessarily for the better... Time will tell what route they go down

Babylon 5 handled these things best, they went into the show with replacement characters planned for everyone incase someone had to leave, which was good since Sinclair had to leave after season 1.

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artan42

valoreah wrote: »

jonsills wrote: »

...On the third hand, there are indeed ethnic groups that have been underrepresented in Trek. I think a Maori or Samoan navigation officer might be a nice touch.

I'm still waiting for a dwarf.

Keenser.​​

legendarylycan

artan42 wrote: »

valoreah wrote: »

jonsills wrote: »

...On the third hand, there are indeed ethnic groups that have been underrepresented in Trek. I think a Maori or Samoan navigation officer might be a nice touch.

I'm still waiting for a dwarf.

Keenser.

no beard​​

jonsills

valoreah wrote: »

jonsills wrote: »

...On the third hand, there are indeed ethnic groups that have been underrepresented in Trek. I think a Maori or Samoan navigation officer might be a nice touch.

I'm still waiting for a dwarf.

That's not an ethnic group. Although once he's done with Game of Thrones, I think Peter Dinklage would make an awesome starship captain...​​

daveyny

crashdragon wrote: »

daveyny wrote: »

I suggested in another thread that they use a CGI 'Anton' Chekov at the beginning of the next movie (Nu-Trek 4) to show him quickly being caught in a Temporal Event that rapidly ages him and then have Walter Koenig come out the other end.
Then incorporate Walter's Chekov into the plot of the movie and just have him retire from Star Fleet at the conclusion.

That way both versions of Chekov get a lovely sendoff and nobody has to die on film.

No, just the ones watching it. ​​

I guess your safe then, as it seems you can't be bothered to have an open mind about these kind of things.

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artan42

Warwick Davis. I was disappointed his appearance in SW:TFA wasn't as a Resistance admiral or somesuch. Despite often been cast to fit in small costumes, he's really a good actor.​​

evilmark444

jonsills wrote: »

valoreah wrote: »

jonsills wrote: »

...On the third hand, there are indeed ethnic groups that have been underrepresented in Trek. I think a Maori or Samoan navigation officer might be a nice touch.

I'm still waiting for a dwarf.

That's not an ethnic group. Although once he's done with Game of Thrones, I think Peter Dinklage would make an awesome starship captain...​​

There's time to do that while still doing GoT, he had time to play Trask in X-Men: DoFP

starswordc

@jonsills: They actually did have a Samoan bit character in DS9, Manuele Atoa, whose ship USS Sutherland was supposed to be a recurring visitor. Trouble was, Ron Moore wrote Elizabeth Shelby from BOBW to be the CO, except they had already told Peter David he could have free rein with her for his Mackenzie Calhoun novels without fear of being jossed by the shows.

I do think having a positively portrayed Muslim character would be a good thing, especially in this day and age. That's the main reason I created Jaleh Khoroushi for my fanfics: I was sick and tired of every single Muslim character being a terrorist.