Grand Admiral Thrawn is becoming a part of the new Star Wars canon

iconians

He's going to show up in Rebels. Timothy Zahn is also apparently writing a new novel called Thrawn for 2017.

Don't count on the Thrawn Trilogy becoming canon or anything, but at least he's not going to be left to the Legends continuity forever. So, yay compromise?​​

terranempire

Like any Star Wars fan would doubt Chiss being canon. Unless you're obsessed with what Disney decides what exists or not. I knew it was only a matter of time before they reused old stories or characters. It's Disney after all... it's what they do.

I mean they already have hammerhead class duplicates running around in S2... Not surprised one bit.

terranempire

Surprised you even have a head to sake.

evilmark444

This is good news, but for me Disney Wars will never be as good as the EU was, even if it turns out Mara Jade is Ray's mother. Disney crushed my favorite parts of Star Wars, then let JJ TRIBBLE all over the entire franchise. I always wanted a sequel trilogy, it's true what they say be careful what you wish for ...

I don't think I'll ever be as big of a Star Wars fan as I used to be. My only hope for an enjoyable experience for the foreseeable future is "Rogue One".

terranempire

Rogue One looks amazing. Seeing Donnie Yen in Star Wars just makes it a bonus. Always imagined him being some sort of force wielder. And those Star Destroyers and construction of the Death Star makes me ecstatic to watch it. And glad their using Mon Mothma. I like when important characters make re-appearances.

thay8472

Needs more Jar Jar,

terranempire

NO!! Please no Jar Jar...

markhawkman

I can't see how anyone ever thought the EU would get made into movies..... it was too bloated and convoluted.

thunderfoot

I remember reading Timothy's Zahn's trilogy years ago. Thoroughly enjoyed everything about it. Thrawn was and still is one of the most interesting villains I've ever run across in all of science fiction. I was disappointed when Zahn killed him off by using the Noghri.
I felt cheated just a little bit. I also felt disappointed. Thrawn was more antagonist than evil. A professional naval officer who had considerable talents and abilities and held true to his faith in his cause.

Wish somebody round here could write someone like that for us to oppose. It would make for a nice change instead of the Snidely Whiplash types we get. I cannot help but contrast our antagonists' Saturday morning cartoon behavior with the brilliance and scope of an antagonist like Thrawn.

iconians

thunderfoot006 wrote: »

I remember reading Timothy's Zahn's trilogy years ago. Thoroughly enjoyed everything about it. Thrawn was and still is one of the most interesting villains I've ever run across in all of science fiction. I was disappointed when Zahn killed him off by using the Noghri.
I felt cheated just a little bit. I also felt disappointed. Thrawn was more antagonist than evil. A professional naval officer who had considerable talents and abilities and held true to his faith in his cause.

Wish somebody round here could write someone like that for us to oppose. It would make for a nice change instead of the Snidely Whiplash types we get. I cannot help but contrast our antagonists' Saturday morning cartoon behavior with the brilliance and scope of an antagonist like Thrawn.

I thought Thrawn's death was perfect. Pellaeon knew at the very beginning it was a mistake to keep Rukh around.

Thrawn had an over-reliance on manipulating and using other people, and was so lost in his master plan that his death at the hands of his bodyguard was the ultimate expression of poetic justice. Even a pawn can take a King.

It wasn't a force-wielding Jedi, or a rough-and-tumble that got a "lucky shot" despite overwhelming odds, it was somebody he had used, manipulated, deceived, and betrayed. That somebody just so happened to be one of the deadliest people on board his flagship and given access to his chamber.

Which made his defeat all the more humiliating, because Thrawn was quite possibly the "last, best hope" for the Empire to regain their territory, and Rukh was largely unnecessary to protect Thrawn, since any Imperial could see he was crucial to victory as plain as day, and wouldn't even consider betraying somebody who proved his worth in actions instead of meaningless rhetoric.

As far as Thrawn's character development went -- he hit a wall. Everybody knew he was capable of bringing the New Republic to its knees. He had to die at the end of the trilogy, because a crippling defeat would cheapen just how dangerous the guy was, and if he had gone off to lick his wounds and fight another day, he'd have just been reused over and over again like Daala, Pellaeon, Ysanne Isard, or Zsinj. None of whom came close to the victories Thrawn scored.​​

legendarylycan

daala scored a MAJOR victory thrawn never did - she conquered the entire new republic, not through conquest, but through their own system of democracy​​

iconians

Yeah, I try to forget that ever happened (like so much else in the EU). I'm not sure who thought it was a good idea to make Daala leader of the New Republic. Wasn't she a... y'know... war criminal?​​

themetalstickman

I don't really know much about Thrawn. But his character design is so badass I've always wanted to see him in some kind of SW canon.

So I'm happy.

legendarylycan

...not really? aside from overseeing development of the sun crusher (which she never even had a chance to use) and attacking yavin 4, nothing she's done constitutes a war crime, and even those two are a stretch​​

thunderfoot

Thrawn was capable of doing the job himself. Years after the trilogy, Timothy Zahn and Michael Stackpole got together and used Thrawn, along with Hal and Corran Horn, for a pair of stories in an anthology. Quite interesting as the story took place long before The Last Command. Short version: Darth Vader aimed Thrawn at Black Sun. Very very interesting read.

I never really cared for Ysanne Isard in the Rogue Squadron paperbacks. She has a lot in common with Hakeev. I always felt like Isard was a dodgy knockoff of Katrina Steiner-Davion from the BattleTech novels Stackpole wrote.

I did like Warlord Zsinj in the Wraith Squadron paperbacks. I think of all of Stackpole's Star Wars work, the Wraith Squadron stories are the best. There was a underlying sense of humor and play in them which made the characters enjoyable. Even when they were at their worst, it was hard not to smile. Stackpole's later paperback, I, Jedi, had some of this in it as well. The antagonist in this one is just evil. With no apologies for it. She is one of those people who like to watch the world burn.

What I'd very much like to have in STO is a villain who is more like Thrawn and who is portrayed as such. It would be most enjoyable to have the writers here drop a story on us where they challenge us to keep up. Something besides the rather constant pandering to the lowest common denominator. I know, I know. If wishes were horses...

Noye had the potential to be a villain such as this. But in the end, the writers took the fast lane and here we are once more.

terranempire

collaborator is still a collaborator. I never paid too much attention to anything in the EU after Thrawn. only other thing I read was Luke's Jedi Academy and Rogue Squadron. Oh and Shadows of the Empire. After that I stuck with the Old Republic era and Phantom/Clone Wars.

I don't think many expected a movie to be made out of it. (usually glad, because movie adaptions usually are not the same) I think we expected at least majority of it to remain intact. Least anything before ROTJ.

markhawkman

terranempire#7881 wrote: »

I don't think many expected a movie to be made out of it. (usually glad, because movie adaptions usually are not the same) I think we expected at least majority of it to remain intact. Least anything before ROTJ.

That's kinda the same thing. Keeping the Thrawn trilogy would require Disney to write it into the movies.

evilmark444

shadowfang240 wrote: »

...not really? aside from overseeing development of the sun crusher (which she never even had a chance to use) and attacking yavin 4, nothing she's done constitutes a war crime, and even those two are a stretch​​

Yeah Daala never used the Sun Crusher, Kyp Durron, future Jedi Master, did.

markhawkman wrote: »

I can't see how anyone ever thought the EU would get made into movies..... it was too bloated and convoluted.

I never expected any of them to be adapted into a movie, though I did always how a sequel trilogy would be made that took place afterwards, and maintained what was at that point considered canon. The anger and disappointment I feel because of what Disney has done could possibly surpass that of the biggest JJ-Trek haters. I loved the EU (with the exception of LotF, and Vestara turning back to the dark side at the end of FotJ), and now it's over, and the many unresolved plot lines that remain will never be concluded.

farmallm

I'm glad they bringing him into the series. I was hoping to see him on the big screen. But we ended up with some dumb planet weapon.

starswordc

shadowfang240 wrote: »

...not really? aside from overseeing development of the sun crusher (which she never even had a chance to use) and attacking yavin 4, nothing she's done constitutes a war crime, and even those two are a stretch​​

You're forgetting the part where she glassed civilian targets on Dantooine and Mon Calamari.

moonshadowdark

REVAN! REVAN! REVAN! REVAN!

*marches around carrying signs*

daveyny

The Thrawn Trilogy was the last Star Wars novels I read before the current iterations leading up to and including The Force Awakens books.
Those three, the first Han Solo Trilogy & Splinter of the Minds Eye were the only ones that I found interesting.
(besides the six movie novels)

After that, the EU started to get way to convoluted for my tastes.

mustrumridcully0

Thrawn was a great character. It will be interesting to see what they do with him in the EU. I hope it will feel worth it, and not just a way to cash in on an old character.

thay8472

moonshadowdark wrote: »

REVAN! REVAN! REVAN! REVAN!

*marches around carrying signs*

Marr! Marr! Marr! Marr!

artan42

evilmark444 wrote: »

This is good news, but for me Disney Wars will never be as good as the EU was, even if it turns out Mara Jade is Ray's mother. Disney crushed my favorite parts of Star Wars, then let JJ **** all over the entire franchise. I always wanted a sequel trilogy, it's true what they say be careful what you wish for ...

I don't think I'll ever be as big of a Star Wars fan as I used to be. My only hope for an enjoyable experience for the foreseeable future is "Rogue One".

As with the ST fans that cry the same thing. You still have those books and stuff. No film would ever live up to that childhood nostalgia, there would always be insurmountable differences between your head and what the director chose to go with.
Just get over it and get back to the books that nice Mr JJ hasn't taken from you.​​

dmt

It feels like the PR people at Disney/Lucasfilm just dance around, calling out 'hey (insert character) is back, love us!'.

It ain't going to work. As an EU fan Mitth'raw'nuruodo has been 'dead' for the same length of time I've been alive. I've had time to accept that, to see what aftershocks (Pellaeon was an awesome character) sprung up from his campaign.

I have the original Thrawn. Why do I need a kid's show version?

Instead of retreading the same ground that the EU already covered the Disney era should have been thrown CENTURIES after the end of the Original Trilogy.

evilmark444

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artan42 wrote: »

evilmark444 wrote: »

This is good news, but for me Disney Wars will never be as good as the EU was, even if it turns out Mara Jade is Ray's mother. Disney crushed my favorite parts of Star Wars, then let JJ **** all over the entire franchise. I always wanted a sequel trilogy, it's true what they say be careful what you wish for ...

I don't think I'll ever be as big of a Star Wars fan as I used to be. My only hope for an enjoyable experience for the foreseeable future is "Rogue One".

As with the ST fans that cry the same thing. You still have those books and stuff. No film would ever live up to that childhood nostalgia, there would always be insurmountable differences between your head and what the director chose to go with.
Just get over it and get back to the books that nice Mr JJ hasn't taken from you.​​

That's just it, Disney and JJ HAVE taken something away. Almost as soon as Disney purchased the franchise, the Sword of the Jedi trilogy was canceled. The EU still has several dangling plot points, and now they will never be concluded. Prime Trek at least has a conclusion for each iteration it went through.