That's what I want....I want the old universe back....not more reboots.
JJTRek isn't really a reboot.
IF it will be all we get on screen from now on, that means it's a reboot.
Really? Because after TOS ended, all we got on screen was TNG. Was TNG a reboot? When TNG finished we got DS9, then VOY, then ENT, you get the picture. It's not a reboot, it's the next part of the story, it just so happens it's back in time and in an alternate reality.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
At the beginning of Nu-Trek: IV, have Anton's Chekov get caught in a temporal event of some kind that ages him (using a CGI character) and then use Walter Koenig as the character during the movie and have him retire from Star Fleet at the end.
(kinda-sorta a reverse of "The Deadly Years" story from TOS)
A fitting ending for both actors and their character.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
"loads of fun."
"embraces everything that's great about the series. "
"hits a sweet spot of perfectly balanced stakes, momentum, character development, callbacks, music, and action "
"perfectly celebrates 50 years of the franchise"
"combines a glossy Hollywood sense of wonder with that classic Star Trek optimism "
"recaptures the spirit of the original, and it's beyond entertaining. "
"An entertaining adventure "
"Not since the original crew stepped down have we felt such a vivid sense of adventure and comradeship."
Oh boy, the Real™ Star Trek fans are going to just haaaaaaate and loathe this movie.
At the beginning of Nu-Trek: IV, have Anton's Chekov get caught in a temporal event of some kind that ages him (using a CGI character) and then use Walter Koenig as the character during the movie and have him retire from Star Fleet at the end.
(kinda-sorta a reverse of "The Deadly Years" story from TOS)
A fitting ending for both actors and their character.
Exactly. something happens, he disappears. The crew is visited by future Admiral Chekov who comes to say goodbye to his friends and see them one last time, telling them their adventures are only beginning and that history will never forget the name Enterprise.
How about having Koenig play the part of Checkov's dad who happens to be in Starfleet as well meeting with Captain Kirk discussing what happened to Pavel.
"loads of fun."
"embraces everything that's great about the series. "
"hits a sweet spot of perfectly balanced stakes, momentum, character development, callbacks, music, and action "
"perfectly celebrates 50 years of the franchise"
"combines a glossy Hollywood sense of wonder with that classic Star Trek optimism "
"recaptures the spirit of the original, and it's beyond entertaining. "
"An entertaining adventure "
"Not since the original crew stepped down have we felt such a vivid sense of adventure and comradeship."
Oh boy, the Real™ Star Trek fans are going to just haaaaaaate and loathe this movie.
As have said in another thread pertaining to this, I still haven't seen it - but was both surprised and pleased to hear some colleagues at my workplace discussing this movie (and in a positive light too). These are NOT Trek fans; they are people who like to go to the cinema.
Sorry - whether the 'fan' element think it’s good or not notwithstanding, the fact that it appeals to a wider audience is a BIG win in my book.
New fans are life! Seriously... Star Trek would have died as a franchise if no one became a fan after 1970. So yeah, JJ is right to aim for "general appeal". If non-fans hate it then it's a failure as a product.
As I wrote in my thoughts on it in the review thread I really can't understand the "overwhelmingly positive buzz" personally. It is not a terrible movie and it isn't even amongst the worst Star Trek movie (disclaimer: I pretty much dislike at least half of the Trek movies), but I think Beyond is only slightly average as a film. The action is, in my opinion, way too excessive in an annoying way (too dark, too close, too shaky) and the plot is rather thin (the villians motivation and his methods are not very convincing, emphasized by the fact that we literally spent maybe a full minute tops to explore his character beyond (ha!) being a wrinkly faced evil vampire). It has some very nice moments, one even made me sob a bit, but overall all things considered it was rather... Meh.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
And we already established in that thread that you're wrong
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And we already established in that thread that you're wrong
I disagree
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
No no. We took a vote. You were wrong. I've got the verdict written down here on this price of paper you can't see but I'm showing to my my phone screen for reals.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I've consulted the bestest being in the universe and she said I'm right, you're wrong. Want to argue against two wild, spiky hogs?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Well the Wisest Tribble just trilled softly so I think you'll find that's yet another point to me. It's fine though, I'll give you an opportunity to save face. Just go edit your posts in suport of Beyond and all will be right with the world. You will join the hive mind, resistance is futile.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Since it seems the majority of the viewing audience disagrees with you Targ (and I don't mean just the Trek Fans), it's pretty clear that your assessment is more of a biased personal thing, than an actual honest review of a very entertaining movie.
It almost seems that you don't like it because IT IS a Star Trek movie.
Hell, you even said yourself that you haven't liked half of the Trek movies...,
So there's no reason any of us should at this point, consider your opinion as a valid response.
You can be the outlier if you like, but personally I'll never take you serious again as a Trek Fan and it would seem some folks around here would agree with me.
<shrug>
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Well the Wisest Tribble just trilled softly so I think you'll find that's yet another point to me. It's fine though, I'll give you an opportunity to save face. Just go edit your posts in suport of Beyond and all will be right with the world. You will join the hive mind, resistance is futile.
I'll just turn up my music. It'll smash your hive mind. That's fact. *drops mike*
Since it seems the majority of the viewing audience disagrees with you Targ (and I don't mean just the Trek Fans), it's pretty clear that your assessment is more of a biased personal thing, than an actual honest review of a very entertaining movie.
It almost seems that you don't like it because IT IS a Star Trek movie.
Hell, you even said yourself that you haven't liked half of the Trek movies...,
So there's no reason any of us should at this point, consider your opinion as a valid response.
You can be the outlier if you like, but personally I'll never take you serious again as a Trek Fan and it would seem some folks around here would agree with me.
<shrug>
Wtf are you talking about? Of course my review is my biased opinion, I'm not a professional movie critic. And how can an opinion be a valid or invalid response, on what? And how dare you never take me serious again as a Star Trek fan? What does that even mean?
Go home, davey, you're drunk
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
At the beginning of Nu-Trek: IV, have Anton's Chekov get caught in a temporal event of some kind that ages him (using a CGI character) and then use Walter Koenig as the character during the movie and have him retire from Star Fleet at the end.
(kinda-sorta a reverse of "The Deadly Years" story from TOS)
A fitting ending for both actors and their character.
Exactly. something happens, he disappears. The crew is visited by future Admiral Chekov who comes to say goodbye to his friends and see them one last time, telling them their adventures are only beginning and that history will never forget the name Enterprise.
Orrrrr ... orrrrr ... and I'm just spit balling here ... he gets reassigned to a different ship. And some other eager young officer gets his posting on the Enterprise. Like happens all the time in the military and supposedly Starfleet itself. I mean imagine what would have happened if Picard had to be super aged to retire from the Stargazer when he left that ship!
Looks like it will be a while yet, before I can finally see a Star Trek movie.
Using your definitions you will NEVER see another Star Trek movie.
There will be more in the future. Once the JJ Trek enjoys its run. Then something new will come along.
Something new. It will be a product of its time, just as the KT movies are a product of theirs. You won't ever get TNG or TOS or DS9 back, you'll get something else.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Something new. It will be a product of its time, just as the KT movies are a product of theirs. You won't ever get TNG or TOS or DS9 back, you'll get something else.
Hopefully they will get some better Trek fans. Who will take better notes and make a better show based off Star Trek itself. Unlike this go around, where they made a mess out of it.
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Really? Because after TOS ended, all we got on screen was TNG. Was TNG a reboot? When TNG finished we got DS9, then VOY, then ENT, you get the picture. It's not a reboot, it's the next part of the story, it just so happens it's back in time and in an alternate reality.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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-Thomas Marrone
(kinda-sorta a reverse of "The Deadly Years" story from TOS)
A fitting ending for both actors and their character.
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Oh boy, the Real™ Star Trek fans are going to just haaaaaaate and loathe this movie.
Exactly. something happens, he disappears. The crew is visited by future Admiral Chekov who comes to say goodbye to his friends and see them one last time, telling them their adventures are only beginning and that history will never forget the name Enterprise.
I feel bad for that poor Actor, he had so much to offer still.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It almost seems that you don't like it because IT IS a Star Trek movie.
Hell, you even said yourself that you haven't liked half of the Trek movies...,
So there's no reason any of us should at this point, consider your opinion as a valid response.
You can be the outlier if you like, but personally I'll never take you serious again as a Trek Fan and it would seem some folks around here would agree with me.
<shrug>
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I'll just turn up my music. It'll smash your hive mind. That's fact. *drops mike*
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Wtf are you talking about?
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Using your definitions you will NEVER see another Star Trek movie.
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Orrrrr ... orrrrr ... and I'm just spit balling here ... he gets reassigned to a different ship. And some other eager young officer gets his posting on the Enterprise. Like happens all the time in the military and supposedly Starfleet itself. I mean imagine what would have happened if Picard had to be super aged to retire from the Stargazer when he left that ship!
There will be more in the future. Once the JJ Trek enjoys its run. Then something new will come along.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
But are you a Real™ Star Trek fan?
Something new. It will be a product of its time, just as the KT movies are a product of theirs. You won't ever get TNG or TOS or DS9 back, you'll get something else.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
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Hopefully they will get some better Trek fans. Who will take better notes and make a better show based off Star Trek itself. Unlike this go around, where they made a mess out of it.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
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