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by Cryptic logic, a MU TOS connie should be equal to a Kelvin connie
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in the Kelvin ship blog they said that the Kelvin timeline ships are as powerful as modern ships because in that timeline they are more focused on combat.
guess what?
the same is true about the mirror universe.
so by cryptic logic that would mean that a mirror universe TOS connie should also be equal to modern ships in STO timeline.
so can we have a MU TOS t6 connie?
guess what?
the same is true about the mirror universe.
so by cryptic logic that would mean that a mirror universe TOS connie should also be equal to modern ships in STO timeline.
so can we have a MU TOS t6 connie?
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We already have Vonphs and Vaadwaur ships at ESD, the JJ connie and Veangance will be the same kinda thing.
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Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
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The Kelvin Timeline got its technology boost when a monstrosity of a ship showed up; they didn't actually have possession of that technology (except maybe the Klingons), just a motivation to be able to deal with it. They couldn't take the lazy way out of copying what they encountered.
Albeit modified, the Narada was still just a civilian mining craft.
The KT Starfleet, however, had both more tolerance for ambition and more reason to develop advanced weapons of war - the Kelvin had been destroyed trivially by a strange alien warship, with capabilities far beyond any they'd seen. There would be a need to develop a countermeasure, in case this strange ship or another like it were to ever reappear (as eventually happened, and they still weren't really ready).
The main reason the kelvin line is up on par with modern ships is they had acess to 2 modern ships. SF had access to scans and debri from the nerada and the vulcan ship. only logical they would reverse engineer a large sum of it. as for the mirror universe they didnt stray far from the prime universe as far as technological achievements. You might want to read up on the lore. Terran Empire ships are not as tough as prime ships due to inferior hull materials.
Everything that you have to fight in the game has to be balanced by being able to fight everything else in the game. It doesn't matter when it's from. That's the logic of gameplay. If there's a situation where we have to fight TOS timeline Mirror Universe ships, you can be they'll be able to damage our 25th Century, 26th and 31st Century ships because the game says they have to in order for it to be playable.
Of course, just because the game says it happens that way doesn't mean OPs statement is true. Gameplay balance and lore balance explanations thereof aren't the same thing.
I can't believe some people still expect anything even resembling logic from Cryptic lol
Except this isn't just Cryptic logic, but CBS/Paramount logic too.
The Kelvin was destroyed by a ship so immensely powerful that they stood no chance. That same ship went on to blast 40 someodd Klingon ships without so much as an outward scratch. Now, imagine you are the Prime federation, you've just witnessed this happen. Something would have to be done about it. Into Darkness Explains that in their quest to protect themselves, the Federation found Khan's ship floating through space and used him to build advanced ships and weapons. The Mirror Universe had no such motivations to build and explore- they weren't defending themselves from the Prime Universe because the Prime Universe was not invading their galaxy and blowing their ships to pieces in a *single* massive ship. So, it makes sense to me that the Kelvin Timeline would be on par with modern Prime Universe ships, as they had the necessary internal and external motivations to advance. You have intellectual giants like Spock and Khan developing technology (or in Spock's case at least trying to find a new home for Vulcan, and it's incredibly likely he couldn't keep all of his secrets to himself forever) and a Starfleet that is afraid of what's out there.
The Romans developed incredibly quickly and conquered the known world because of (among other reasons) the threat from outside forces constantly looming over them. They achieved things that were impossible for their contemporaries, and even challenged those who came after they were long gone. Kelvin Timeline may very well follow a similar path.
Beyond that, I can only say that my T6 Kelvin Connie will be outfitted with gold mk XIV gear, and I'm pretty sure she's going to put just about every Prime ship in their place.
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Yeah...but do you really see their weaponry and technological prowess almost 200 years ahead of its time after a single menace that was destroyed?
How did they advance their tech 200 years in a instant almost...how did the Klingons do it too since they weren't attacked by the Narada?
For poor excuses from Cryptic...this really is the poorest...this really blows the 29th century ships being stripped of all 29th century tech by the Tholians out of the water, poor.
The Klingons were attacked prior to the Narada's arrival at Vulcan. Uhura notes that around 40 warbirds were destroyed by a single Romulan ship in a transmission that she intercepted. It's one of the pieces of information that Kirk uses to convince Pike to raise shields. Even if they hadn't been attacked prior to that point, with the advancements that the Federation had made they could easily have reverse engineered or stolen their technology and built upon it.
There's also the question of when exactly Marcus thawed out Khan and set him to work building weapons and ships.
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I don't think they would have jumped 200 years in Tech based on scan data alone. I'd say AR Fed ships are more around the power of their contemporaries from the LATE 23rd to Early 24th Century. So... the AR Connie of the 2250s would be more comparable to maybe the Prime Connie Refit of the 2280s or so, around the time of ST6 at the earliest. At the latest... maybe around the time the Enterprise-B was decomissioned.
A few decades I can see. 2 centuries? Not without an actual ship to study. The Klingons never could actually study the Narada because she locked down and the Klingons couldn't figure her out. Otherwise we'd be seeing Shrapnel Torpedo armed Klingon ships with spiky bits like the Narada. Or something similar anyways.
My reasoning besides what I stated above regarding tech samples, AR Starfleet is now using touchscreen interface systems similar to LCARS or whatever system they used on the Enterprise-A and Excelsior instead of the push button setup on the original Enterprise. With some added investment in military capability, AR Starfleet should be about on par with the late TMP era of Prime Starfleet decades ahead of time.
Generally, yes, unless it had to be a serious threat.
Robocop kidnapped Sherlock Holmes' super soldiers and hid them inside of torpedoes, forcing the voice of Smaug to create the Vengeance ON Chronos, giving both the Federation AND the Empire a leg up.
Think about that. They took Khan, a 200 year old megalomaniac and forced him to use advanced futuristic tech to fashion the biggest upgrade in weaponry the galaxy had ever seen.
BOO YAA!
Um... tech that was only available to Section 31 and used on a single ship under the DIRECT control of Admiral Marcus.
That's not necessarily true. The Vengeance was certainly a Section 31 ship, but the Enterprise could very well have been built using Khan's knowledge. I don't recall them saying exactly when Khan was thawed out and put to work.
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Pretty sure he said it was after Vulcan was destroyed.
Ways to deal with it: Stop making thread after thread, and let it go. Live and let live.
Although that doesn't explain the Klingons and roms technological advances.
Though I suppose the Klingons could have acquired the data before when they captured Neo and the Romulans could have stole the information from them but even that's a ludicrous stretch of the imagination.
Everything seems so messed up like why is Kevin Constitution class nearly as big as an Odyessey?!?!
Yeah, Marcus did say it happened after the Narada because they wanted to be ready for 'whatever came at us next'.
Do you have any idea how many times random ships showed up in TOS and -trivially- dispatched federation starships? Why didn't that motivate the prime universe starfleet to amp up their game too?
Technology doesn't work that way. You don't just jump forward in tech 200 years because somebody else came along and kicked your TRIBBLE.
But honestly, we threw the technology curve out the window when the time travel storylines started. Pretty soon we're gonna have Daedaluses bouncing around whupping the Borg, the Iconians, and the Na'Khul in massive numbers.