Every year this comes up twice a year... care to guess when?
iirc we have had a dev actually make a rare appearance a couple times to give us the real technical reasons they use this, knowing full well (near)everyone hates it.
Okay. Now I want to know the techincal reasons they use to defend the use of this almost universally hated mechanic.
Let's pick two racers, Joe and Bob.
Due to lag, it's entirely possible for the server to see Bob cross the finish line first, but on Joe's computer it looks like Joe's a full surfboard ahead of Bob.
When the "screenshot" is submitted showing Joe a full length ahead of Bob, but the server's decided that Bob legitimately won the race, how do you handle the issue at hand?
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To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Every year this comes up twice a year... care to guess when?
iirc we have had a dev actually make a rare appearance a couple times to give us the real technical reasons they use this, knowing full well (near)everyone hates it.
Okay. Now I want to know the techincal reasons they use to defend the use of this almost universally hated mechanic.
Nothing on this Earth is universally hated, no matter how many people think so. Saying that is just hyperbole, and therefore meaningless, which makes your entire comment meaningless.
Every year this comes up twice a year... care to guess when?
iirc we have had a dev actually make a rare appearance a couple times to give us the real technical reasons they use this, knowing full well (near)everyone hates it.
Okay. Now I want to know the techincal reasons they use to defend the use of this almost universally hated mechanic.
Nothing on this Earth is universally hated, no matter how many people think so. Saying that is just hyperbole, and therefore meaningless, which makes your entire comment meaningless.
That's why I used the word almost. I was acknowledging that there are people who either don't mind the flag grabbing mechanic or actually like it.
'Universally hated' lol - I don't hate it - therefore it can't be universal.
I neither like nor dislike it - it just is - adapt and overcome - race the race part and hop off your board and hit 'f' - it ain't that hard to take 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.
If its truly hat hard and THAT important for you change maps to one that is seriously underpopulated.
The rewards between placing and just participating isn't worth the worry. If it is your EGO that is hurting - grow up.
'Universally hated' lol - I don't hate it - therefore it can't be universal.
I neither like nor dislike it - it just is - adapt and overcome - race the race part and hop off your board and hit 'f' - it ain't that hard to take 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.
If its truly hat hard and THAT important for you change maps to one that is seriously underpopulated.
The rewards between placing and just participating isn't worth the worry. If it is your EGO that is hurting - grow up.
Every year this comes up twice a year... care to guess when?
iirc we have had a dev actually make a rare appearance a couple times to give us the real technical reasons they use this, knowing full well (near)everyone hates it.
Okay. Now I want to know the techincal reasons they use to defend the use of this almost universally hated mechanic.
Nothing on this Earth is universally hated, no matter how many people think so. Saying that is just hyperbole, and therefore meaningless, which makes your entire comment meaningless.
That's why I used the word almost. I was acknowledging that there are people who either don't mind the flag grabbing mechanic or actually like it.
They're not going to remove Grab the flag at the end of the race, so just get over it and do what I do. Race and try to get one of the place flags. If not, get the Finish flag. That's what I get almost every time and you won't hear me whining about it or accusing people of 'stealing'. It's who can spam 'F' before you can, is all.
Three races and I have a monkey research project. Doesn't take up that much time.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
Oh, I know the flags have pre-determined locations and they do not 'move'. My problem is my own, usually overshooting the flag or someone else got their 'F' button before I did. I know where the flags spawn. I use the free BTTF board and run as hard as I can, but I don't cry if all I get is the Finish flag.
I find it easy to keep up with three races to get six tags. I've already gotten a day ahead on most of my toons.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
sure players would complain, then it becomes play more to win which is unfair on players who cant spend a lot of time in game so cant afford to get the faster boards, at least with the way it is its not just all about speed its about having the skill to grab the flag at the end of the race so this puts players with slightly slower boards on a more even playing field.
so no it should not be about who crosses the finishing line first just because they have the best board, defiantly not.
You know, they gave away a top-tier board (the Future Flyer) for free last October. At present there are no boards faster than it, so anybody who isn't a newer-than-last-October player doesn't have an excuse for not having one.
If this race bothers someone so badly, they'll create a thread about it, why are they punishing themselves by playing the race?
There are parts for me which are fun and other parts I would not touch with a ten foot pole.
It is a game, not a lifestyle choice.
If I am doing something in this game to get paid somehow with something, and I spend all my limited free time obsessing over getting paid, then I have turned this game into a job.
Which is not what I should be doing.
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sure players would complain, then it becomes play more to win which is unfair on players who cant spend a lot of time in game so cant afford to get the faster boards, at least with the way it is its not just all about speed its about having the skill to grab the flag at the end of the race so this puts players with slightly slower boards on a more even playing field.
so no it should not be about who crosses the finishing line first just because they have the best board, defiantly not.
You know, they gave away a top-tier board (the Future Flyer) for free last October. At present there are no boards faster than it, so anybody who isn't a newer-than-last-October player doesn't have an excuse for not having one.
This.
I actually logged in when the giveaway was going on just to get it. And I still mostly only get the Finish flag because there are racers out there who are much better at it than I am. On the other hand, one of mine managed to grab third and then second in the last two races she did, so I count myself lucky.
Or maybe I'm just finally getting better at the race. *Shrugs* Who knows?
But I do it to have fun and collect enough tags to get a research project going. The race is designed for us to race around the track and grab a flag. As I keep saying, EVERYONE is guaranteed at least a Finish flag if they don't get themselves DQ'd. Yes, I've done it several times, usually by accidentally activating my floater during the race. I compensate for that now by keeping my fingers off the mouse buttons while racing. It's worked well for me.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
Every year this comes up twice a year... care to guess when?
iirc we have had a dev actually make a rare appearance a couple times to give us the real technical reasons they use this, knowing full well (near)everyone hates it.
Okay. Now I want to know the techincal reasons they use to defend the use of this almost universally hated mechanic.
Let's pick two racers, Joe and Bob.
Due to lag, it's entirely possible for the server to see Bob cross the finish line first, but on Joe's computer it looks like Joe's a full surfboard ahead of Bob.
When the "screenshot" is submitted showing Joe a full length ahead of Bob, but the server's decided that Bob legitimately won the race, how do you handle the issue at hand?
When the "screenshot" (?) is submitted showing Joe picking up the flag first, but the server's decided that Bob legitimately won the race, how you you handle the issue at hand?
By ignoring it and calling it "skill."
The flags can't help with lag in any way, they just give a convenient skapegoat to shift the blame to.
The world is full of alternatives and none of them is "the." And I know the exact opposite.
Personally, I'd prefer the one where ambiguous situations are resolved by giving both players the first place. I know it's lightyears better. This would actually solve the lag problem.
Even the one where there's a finish line and they just ignore the problem and tell people any "wrong" placements are just inevitable lag artifacts, would be much better. At least the guy with lag who thought he was coming in first but actually came in second would get the second place they deserve, instead of being left with "finish" because the lot behind him grabbed the 2nd and 3rd.
Not giving anyone any extra rewards at all would be better. "Finish" for everyone, thank you for participating. Fair.
Just rolling the placements on RNG would be better. Kinda stupid, but still fair.
Making it a time trial and giving reward tiers based on time would be better.
In fact, other than turning the current system up to eleven by something absurd like moving flags, I can't imagine an alternative that could possibly be any worse.
I actually like the time trial idea. But that can't be setup to give everyone 12 tokens. Otherwise people like me would get 12 in almost every race. Which is where scoreboard placements come in....
I actually like the time trial idea. But that can't be setup to give everyone 12 tokens. Otherwise people like me would get 12 in almost every race. Which is where scoreboard placements come in....
Agreed as well...anything IS better than the current system.
Today, another example as I witness many others having the same issue. The top person who was ahead all the time got only the finish flag. In what world is that system fair? I know this is only a past time for most but still does not mean it could NOT be improved. Look at what they did with STFs prior to F2P. They changed the reward system to make it more balanced. That's all some of us are asking.
I actually like the time trial idea. But that can't be setup to give everyone 12 tokens. Otherwise people like me would get 12 in almost every race. Which is where scoreboard placements come in....
Agreed as well...anything IS better than the current system.
Today, another example as I witness many others having the same issue. The top person who was ahead all the time got only the finish flag. In what world is that system fair? I know this is only a past time for most but still does not mean it could NOT be improved. Look at what they did with STFs prior to F2P. They changed the reward system to make it more balanced. That's all some of us are asking.
Enh, grabbing the flag is a skill that must be mastered to win the race.
I agree with markhawkman. It takes skill to be able to grab flags. I've had people grab just before I did, it was that close. Do I whine and moan about it? No, I take whatever flag is available. So it's usually the Finish flag, big deal.
It's not NASCAR or the Olympics or any other race on or off water. It's a race to grab monkey tag flags. There are no flag-stealers, the flag does not belong to anyone until someone grabs it. Yes, in the WE people used an exploit to take the first place flag. No, I don't think that was right and I hope they have a fix for it before this coming WE.
But there is no such exploit in the SE. If the person who crosses first blows by the flag they can't expect us to wait for them to come back and grab it. There's as much skill in being able to grab that flag as there is in getting ahead and staying ahead in the race. I've only managed to do that once. So I'm not a real skilled racer
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
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Let's pick two racers, Joe and Bob.
Due to lag, it's entirely possible for the server to see Bob cross the finish line first, but on Joe's computer it looks like Joe's a full surfboard ahead of Bob.
When the "screenshot" is submitted showing Joe a full length ahead of Bob, but the server's decided that Bob legitimately won the race, how do you handle the issue at hand?
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Hyperbole is meaningless?
Sounds like hyperbole.
That's why I used the word almost. I was acknowledging that there are people who either don't mind the flag grabbing mechanic or actually like it.
Spock to Kirk, as Kirk is about to hug him.
Star Trek V: "The Final Frontier"
I neither like nor dislike it - it just is - adapt and overcome - race the race part and hop off your board and hit 'f' - it ain't that hard to take 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.
If its truly hat hard and THAT important for you change maps to one that is seriously underpopulated.
The rewards between placing and just participating isn't worth the worry. If it is your EGO that is hurting - grow up.
Three races and I have a monkey research project. Doesn't take up that much time.
I find it easy to keep up with three races to get six tags. I've already gotten a day ahead on most of my toons.
You know, they gave away a top-tier board (the Future Flyer) for free last October. At present there are no boards faster than it, so anybody who isn't a newer-than-last-October player doesn't have an excuse for not having one.
There are parts for me which are fun and other parts I would not touch with a ten foot pole.
It is a game, not a lifestyle choice.
If I am doing something in this game to get paid somehow with something, and I spend all my limited free time obsessing over getting paid, then I have turned this game into a job.
Which is not what I should be doing.
This.
I actually logged in when the giveaway was going on just to get it. And I still mostly only get the Finish flag because there are racers out there who are much better at it than I am. On the other hand, one of mine managed to grab third and then second in the last two races she did, so I count myself lucky.
Or maybe I'm just finally getting better at the race. *Shrugs* Who knows?
But I do it to have fun and collect enough tags to get a research project going. The race is designed for us to race around the track and grab a flag. As I keep saying, EVERYONE is guaranteed at least a Finish flag if they don't get themselves DQ'd. Yes, I've done it several times, usually by accidentally activating my floater during the race. I compensate for that now by keeping my fingers off the mouse buttons while racing. It's worked well for me.
By ignoring it and calling it "skill."
The flags can't help with lag in any way, they just give a convenient skapegoat to shift the blame to.
My character Tsin'xing
The world is full of alternatives and none of them is "the." And I know the exact opposite.
Personally, I'd prefer the one where ambiguous situations are resolved by giving both players the first place. I know it's lightyears better. This would actually solve the lag problem.
Even the one where there's a finish line and they just ignore the problem and tell people any "wrong" placements are just inevitable lag artifacts, would be much better. At least the guy with lag who thought he was coming in first but actually came in second would get the second place they deserve, instead of being left with "finish" because the lot behind him grabbed the 2nd and 3rd.
Not giving anyone any extra rewards at all would be better. "Finish" for everyone, thank you for participating. Fair.
Just rolling the placements on RNG would be better. Kinda stupid, but still fair.
Making it a time trial and giving reward tiers based on time would be better.
In fact, other than turning the current system up to eleven by something absurd like moving flags, I can't imagine an alternative that could possibly be any worse.
My character Tsin'xing
Today, another example as I witness many others having the same issue. The top person who was ahead all the time got only the finish flag. In what world is that system fair? I know this is only a past time for most but still does not mean it could NOT be improved. Look at what they did with STFs prior to F2P. They changed the reward system to make it more balanced. That's all some of us are asking.
My character Tsin'xing
It's not NASCAR or the Olympics or any other race on or off water. It's a race to grab monkey tag flags. There are no flag-stealers, the flag does not belong to anyone until someone grabs it. Yes, in the WE people used an exploit to take the first place flag. No, I don't think that was right and I hope they have a fix for it before this coming WE.
But there is no such exploit in the SE. If the person who crosses first blows by the flag they can't expect us to wait for them to come back and grab it. There's as much skill in being able to grab that flag as there is in getting ahead and staying ahead in the race. I've only managed to do that once. So I'm not a real skilled racer
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