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Possible Children of Khan Episode?

kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
edited May 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
For anyone unaware, there was a new Na'kuhl operative blog out that features the Children of Khan (or whatever name they were going by at the time). See here: arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9985053-star-trek-online%3A-purity

However, this one wasn't dealt with like in previous blogs. Leaving its fate with the Children of Khan, a mystery. This could be very dangerous if this Na'huhl gives Khan future tech (See the Enterprise episode with the Na'kuhl). Undoubtedly someone is going to have to go back in time and "remove" this one. Might as well be us!

Your thoughts?

Edit: I removed parts of the post pertaining to "them", because apparently people lack reading comprehension, and thought that I wanted "them" in-game.
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    officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Yeah, theyre in three different series too, one TOS, like a two part Voyager, and a two part ENT.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,034 Community Moderator
    Yes... Censored Word is Censored.

    Anyways... while an interesting idea... ultimately the Blog was another one of those story posts like the ones we've had before that gives us insight into things happening in the game universe that our characters aren't involved in.
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    kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Yes... Censored Word is Censored.

    Anyways... while an interesting idea... ultimately the Blog was another one of those story posts like the ones we've had before that gives us insight into things happening in the game universe that our characters aren't involved in.

    Yes, but we could be involved. Think about it. All the other Na'kuhl were "dealt with" in their blogs. This one wasn't. Why? It could easily be a teaser for a new episode. It's what I would do if I was writing these blogs and making this game. Make the players/blog readers complacent and think these blogs are just some side-story, then BAM part of the main story!
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them
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    kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them

    This episode wouldn't feature them, it would feature the Children of Khan. I was only using "them" (Edit) as an example of how things could go wrong if we let the Na'kuhl operative mess with events of the time like in that one Enterprise episode.
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them

    This episode wouldn't feature them, it would feature the Children of Khan. I was only using the Naz*s as an example of how things could go wrong if we let the Na'kuhl operative mess with events of the time like in that one Enterprise episode.

    I didn't word it well but I meant that... by what little information we have Khan Singh was way way worse than Hitler & Co. if they won't go near that why would they have the stones to go for something WORSE
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    kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them

    This episode wouldn't feature them, it would feature the Children of Khan. I was only using the Naz*s as an example of how things could go wrong if we let the Na'kuhl operative mess with events of the time like in that one Enterprise episode.

    I didn't word it well but I meant that... by what little information we have Khan Singh was way way worse than Hitler & Co. if they won't go near that why would they have the stones to go for something WORSE

    STO's second biggest audience is Germany. And in Germany, it's a big no-no to have anything to do with "them". I'm certain that those particular show episodes featuring "them" were banned in Germany.

    Can we all please get back on topic though? I think this is a legitimate discussion and i don't want the thread locked.
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited May 2016
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them

    This episode wouldn't feature them, it would feature the Children of Khan. I was only using the Naz*s as an example of how things could go wrong if we let the Na'kuhl operative mess with events of the time like in that one Enterprise episode.

    I didn't word it well but I meant that... by what little information we have Khan Singh was way way worse than Hitler & Co. if they won't go near that why would they have the stones to go for something WORSE

    STO's second biggest audience is Germany. And in Germany, it's a big no-no to have anything to do with "them". I'm certain that those particular show episodes featuring "them" were banned in Germany.

    Can we all please get back on topic though? I think this is a legitimate discussion and i don't want the thread locked.

    We are on topic, thats my point to your question, you're not comprehending. If Cryptic wont feature *those guys* and Khan is worse than that, why would they risk the mobs for it? I mean I'd love to see the eugenics wars fleshed out more and an arc on dealing with that, but I can't see Cryptic having the stones to wade into the darkness like that. The few episodes we had where there was some moral gray in play are gone now. They even hand waved away the restoration of Romulus in a very very generic way.
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    kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them

    This episode wouldn't feature them, it would feature the Children of Khan. I was only using the Naz*s as an example of how things could go wrong if we let the Na'kuhl operative mess with events of the time like in that one Enterprise episode.

    I didn't word it well but I meant that... by what little information we have Khan Singh was way way worse than Hitler & Co. if they won't go near that why would they have the stones to go for something WORSE

    STO's second biggest audience is Germany. And in Germany, it's a big no-no to have anything to do with "them". I'm certain that those particular show episodes featuring "them" were banned in Germany.

    Can we all please get back on topic though? I think this is a legitimate discussion and i don't want the thread locked.

    We are on topic, thats my point to your question, you're not comprehending. If Cryptic wont feature *those guys* and Khan is worse than that, why would they risk the mobs for it? I mean I'd love to see the eugenics wars fleshed out more and an arc on dealing with that, but I can't see Cryptic having the stones to wade into the darkness like that. The few episodes we had where there was some moral gray in play are gone now. They even hand waved away the restoration of Romulus in a very very generic way.

    My point is that the Children of Khan aren't "them" and that makes it okay to have episodes about it. The point is that people are touchy when it comes to history. The fake eugenics wars will be fine to cover.
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    yer both ignoring the second half of my statement. Cryptic goes out of its way to avoid morally gray areas. We've lost the few we had in game to their 'revamps' and the closest we came to it recently was restoring Romulus, in which they used a really really lame cop out to avoid said gray. They don't wanna go there. I'd love it if they did, morality conundrums and 'the needs of the many' type situations are very very Trek.
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited May 2016
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    Cryptic goes out of its way to avoid morally gray areas.
    Except they haven't/

    Both the Iconian War and the Na'Khul plots have been obviously morally grey.

    except we never explore those sides, we're just off chasing the "ebil time badguy" to maintain the feddie bear timestream. We dont actually stop and look at what we're doing. We just chase off an kill

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    or let our voiced NPC do the kill while we grab the shiny doodad and save the future from the morally righteous side
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    kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    Cryptic goes out of its way to avoid morally gray areas.
    Except they haven't/

    Both the Iconian War and the Na'Khul plots have been obviously morally grey.

    except we never explore those sides, we're just off chasing the "ebil time badguy" to maintain the feddie bear timestream. We dont actually stop and look at what we're doing. We just chase off an kill

    edit:
    or let our voiced NPC do the kill while we grab the shiny doodad and save the future from the morally righteous side

    You must not have played the last Iconian mission. In that mission we are literally sent back in time to kill them before they become bad guys. We then have to explore if that decision is actually morally right (it isn't), and then still find a way to fix things.
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    kjwashington wrote: »
    You must not have played the last Iconian mission. In that mission we are literally sent back in time to kill them before they become bad guys. We then have to explore if that decision is actually morally right (it isn't), and then still find a way to fix things.

    and you complain about my reading comprehension skills... lol ... try rereading that last post mmkay?
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    mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    cryptic have had plans for the children of khan before, however never had their own chance to put it into the game. this could be the opportunity they could be looking for especially with all that time travel stuff.
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them

    The NSDAP has been shown on trek a few times, it's just one of those things that should have a part to play in the game as well, in a number of european countries most stuff related to the NSDAP is banned unless its for historical reasons, star trek has been known to show such stuff for historical reasons because of atrocities and propaganda and so on and i cant see any reason why cryptic shouldnt try an episode or 2 with the NSDAP involved in a time travelling plot that gives a real historical observation of how to avoid certain aspects of bad leadership and such.

    people dont need to be hand held through life and uncomfortable stuff.
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    lordinsanelordinsane Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    The NSDAP has been shown on trek a few times, it's just one of those things that should have a part to play in the game as well, in a number of european countries most stuff related to the NSDAP is banned unless its for historical reasons, star trek has been known to show such stuff for historical reasons because of atrocities and propaganda and so on and i cant see any reason why cryptic shouldnt try an episode or 2 with the NSDAP involved in a time travelling plot that gives a real historical observation of how to avoid certain aspects of bad leadership and such.

    people dont need to be hand held through life and uncomfortable stuff.
    Doesn't work, I'm afraid. In the big European market where it is the case, Star Trek on television could possibly get away with it, but by legal definition computer games can't (the exceptions that allow showing those things don't apply to toys, and that's what Germany defines computer games as). It might be called ridiculous, but it's not Cryptic's fault.
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    people dont need to be hand held through life and uncomfortable stuff.

    *points at the uproar over Obama visiting Hiroshima*
    You might want to mention that to reality.... the concept that "Everything isn't meant to be alright" is lost upon people anymore.
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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them

    This episode wouldn't feature them, it would feature the Children of Khan. I was only using the Naz*s as an example of how things could go wrong if we let the Na'kuhl operative mess with events of the time like in that one Enterprise episode.

    I didn't word it well but I meant that... by what little information we have Khan Singh was way way worse than Hitler & Co. if they won't go near that why would they have the stones to go for something WORSE

    STO's second biggest audience is Germany. And in Germany, it's a big no-no to have anything to do with "them". I'm certain that those particular show episodes featuring "them" were banned in Germany.

    Can we all please get back on topic though? I think this is a legitimate discussion and i don't want the thread locked.

    Wait, what does Germany have against Voldemort and the Death Eaters?
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    In the current PC climate you couldn't even get away with that conversation between Uhura and Kirk in 'The Man Trap':

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    Yeah, so the other stuff ain't happening.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    lordinsane wrote: »
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    The NSDAP has been shown on trek a few times, it's just one of those things that should have a part to play in the game as well, in a number of european countries most stuff related to the NSDAP is banned unless its for historical reasons, star trek has been known to show such stuff for historical reasons because of atrocities and propaganda and so on and i cant see any reason why cryptic shouldnt try an episode or 2 with the NSDAP involved in a time travelling plot that gives a real historical observation of how to avoid certain aspects of bad leadership and such.

    people dont need to be hand held through life and uncomfortable stuff.
    Doesn't work, I'm afraid. In the big European market where it is the case, Star Trek on television could possibly get away with it, but by legal definition computer games can't (the exceptions that allow showing those things don't apply to toys, and that's what Germany defines computer games as). It might be called ridiculous, but it's not Cryptic's fault.
    Don't they show Hogan's Heroes on TV in Germany now?

    IIRC the prohibition is against displaying "them" in a positive light.
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    captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    lordinsane wrote: »
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    The NSDAP has been shown on trek a few times, it's just one of those things that should have a part to play in the game as well, in a number of european countries most stuff related to the NSDAP is banned unless its for historical reasons, star trek has been known to show such stuff for historical reasons because of atrocities and propaganda and so on and i cant see any reason why cryptic shouldnt try an episode or 2 with the NSDAP involved in a time travelling plot that gives a real historical observation of how to avoid certain aspects of bad leadership and such.

    people dont need to be hand held through life and uncomfortable stuff.
    Doesn't work, I'm afraid. In the big European market where it is the case, Star Trek on television could possibly get away with it, but by legal definition computer games can't (the exceptions that allow showing those things don't apply to toys, and that's what Germany defines computer games as). It might be called ridiculous, but it's not Cryptic's fault.
    Don't they show Hogan's Heroes on TV in Germany now?

    IIRC the prohibition is against displaying "them" in a positive light.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4URRp39XOo

    It's true. I knew a guy that made good money smuggling episodes of Hogan's Heroes into Germany.
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    tarran61tarran61 Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    OP, this could be bad, very bad in a very good way, I do wish this would happen.
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    wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    i may have few cool chapters.

    "Pawns of Eugenic Codes"
    "Children of Eugenic"
    and final chapter, "Legacies of Eugenic" this chapter lead by Doctor Bashir as narrator, since he is genetic enchanted, they would be given a second chance to be back with federation, and most of bad guys eliminated or captured.
    not all enchanted humans with eugenic codes are warmongers like Khan was.

    dont forget klingons were effected for 2-3 generations before revert back to natural state while they appear as nearly humans.
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    lordinsanelordinsane Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Don't they show Hogan's Heroes on TV in Germany now?

    IIRC the prohibition is against displaying "them" in a positive light.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4URRp39XOo
    Possibly. The big prohibition that tends to be mentioned is showing their symbols. Films and TV shows can be excepted from that if the presence of the symbols is historically accurate, though as noted computer games can not.
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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    Imagine what it would have been like if they had just called it "ANTS".

    To bad Samuel L. Jackson wasn't around back then... "ANT'S ON A PLANE"

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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    kjwashington wrote: »
    STO's second biggest audience is Germany. And in Germany, it's a big no-no to have anything to do with "them". I'm certain that those particular show episodes featuring "them" were banned in Germany.

    Can we all please get back on topic though? I think this is a legitimate discussion and i don't want the thread locked.
    I am pretty sure Cold Front or what it was called did air in German television. But the TOS episode Patterns of Force wasn't originally shown on German TV. Times change(d).

    Anyway, this isn't really the topic of the thread. ;)

    I know that the devs had plans for something involving the Augmented / Khan legacy. The possibly last in-game example might be that prison facility episode in the Dominion Arc. But so far they never completed any actual work on it.

    The blog might just be an attempt to use at least a bit of their ideas somewhere - or it could point to more in that direction. I like the idea of an Augment storyline more than that of the Temporal Cold War...
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    kjwashington wrote: »
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    would be nice but since they wont even let you say the name of the WWII German National Socialist Party I doubt Cryptic has the stones to risk the p.c. police and social justice warriors goin apeshit over an episode featuring them

    This episode wouldn't feature them, it would feature the Children of Khan. I was only using the Naz*s as an example of how things could go wrong if we let the Na'kuhl operative mess with events of the time like in that one Enterprise episode.

    I didn't word it well but I meant that... by what little information we have Khan Singh was way way worse than Hitler & Co. if they won't go near that why would they have the stones to go for something WORSE

    STO's second biggest audience is Germany. And in Germany, it's a big no-no to have anything to do with "them". I'm certain that those particular show episodes featuring "them" were banned in Germany.

    Can we all please get back on topic though? I think this is a legitimate discussion and i don't want the thread locked.

    Wait, what does Germany have against Voldemort and the Death Eaters?

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