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So, the TOS faction is in fact more like an extended alternative tutorial

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    phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    Yeah, I happened to think about the older Scotty model too, so there's probably more coming. It's most likely going to be mixed in with the regular 2410 content though, like it was with Delta Rising.

    This is pretty disappointing, because I was really thinking of getting the Temporal Special Agent pack, but if I can't use those other TOS ships in a TOS setting, I'm not interested.

    Likewise, I'm REALLY not interested in seeing those ships flying around in 2410. As hard as they are working to make everything in Agents of Tomorrow feel immersive and fit within the TOS setting - which I applaud - they'll be blowing the TRIBBLE out of my immersion for the "modern" timeline if we end up having all of these ancient starships from the 2270's flying around all over the place.

    Come to think of it, those Temporal ships from the future aren't going to help things either.

    It's quite a turn off when I think about it.

    Anyone who brings up the 'blows my immersion' argument must be playing with blinders on because if Feds flying around in Tholian and Icoian ships (not to mention the Andorian Lumari ships, or the Vulcan science ships from the 22nd century - some with T5 variants) hasn't ALREADY blown immersion for you - I don't see how a 23rd century ship in a 25th century setting will suddenly make someone say "Hey! That's too far!..."

    TLDR: The 'blown immersion' argument ship sailed a LOOOOONG time ago.

    I don't really register those ships as being flown by Feds though. I can't see the people inside them anyways, so it doesn't cross my mind.

    I rarely see the Andorian or Vulcan ships flying around - maybe it's just the times I play and the places I go to - but I don't have much of a problem with them honestly. Vulcan's aren't known for being that much for changing their aesthetic style, and most of their tradition is based on ancient things. Makes sense to me so no problem.

    The Tholian's don't bother me much either. It's a clean and modern looking design. If I see them around ESD then so what, I see Ferengi ships too, and Earth is a hub for the Federation, so there's any number of reasons they could be there, trade. Diplomatic mission.

    The Iconians...and some of the other really all out enemy ship designs however, yeah, those bother me when I see them around ESD or the rest of the galaxy. But I see them rarely enough that I just ignore them.

    But for some reason - and it's just me I guess - these ships are going to stick out among the other fed ships to me. Call me crazy.

    I'm sure I'll get over it.
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    awlaforgeawlaforge Member Posts: 235 Arc User
    There's bound to be some Temporal missions, probably structured much like the Delta Recruit thing, where they unlock as we level up. I'm a bit disappointed honestly. I was really loving the TOS thing, and was hoping there would be at least enough time to really sink into it and enjoy it. This seemed to pass too fast. But most great things do I guess.


    This. I am guessing there will be "temporal agent" objectives for all missions from "Welcome to Earth Space Dock" through the breen missions like the Delta recruit missions.

    Having played through the missions, I hope the transition from the 23rd century to the 25th is a little less jarring once all the VO and cinematics are in place.
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    es5001es5001 Member Posts: 25 Arc User
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    captsolcaptsol Member Posts: 921 Arc User
    es5001 wrote: »

    Well, that's a relief, at least. Just have to wait and see where in the plot they are. :)
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    yeah, we haven't seen the AoY version of Nimbus yet.
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    mmps1mmps1 Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    Will there be more than 6 unique missions though or will it be a slightly different temporal cold war arc.
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    alcmaeonidaealcmaeonidae Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    es5001 wrote: »

    What exactly was the question this was an answer to? Was the question specifically about AoY character exclusive missions, or were all-faction missions also being included?
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    jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    captsol wrote: »
    es5001 wrote: »

    Well, that's a relief, at least. Just have to wait and see where in the plot they are. :)
    es5001 wrote: »

    What exactly was the question this was an answer to? Was the question specifically about AoY character exclusive missions, or were all-faction missions also being included?

    Exactly. Wanna bet that the other missions are all pushed to the end of the tree for all factions? Which is fine, but the upsell of a new faction would be a total bait and switch if that's the case.
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    thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    jaturnley wrote: »
    captsol wrote: »
    es5001 wrote: »

    Well, that's a relief, at least. Just have to wait and see where in the plot they are. :)
    es5001 wrote: »

    What exactly was the question this was an answer to? Was the question specifically about AoY character exclusive missions, or were all-faction missions also being included?

    Exactly. Wanna bet that the other missions are all pushed to the end of the tree for all factions? Which is fine, but the upsell of a new faction would be a total bait and switch if that's the case.

    Here is your official response from Reddit

    Q : Is that TOS character only episodes, or cross faction episodes?
    A: I'm seeing a fair few people freaking out that the next expansion only has 6 episodes in total, and this simply isn't the case, hence my post. I can't go into more detail than that ;-)

    ... which basically translates to "still baiting" :P ... I guess we'll get a DEV-Blog 2 days before launch, however ...

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    teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    jaturnley wrote: »
    captsol wrote: »
    es5001 wrote: »

    Well, that's a relief, at least. Just have to wait and see where in the plot they are. :)
    es5001 wrote: »

    What exactly was the question this was an answer to? Was the question specifically about AoY character exclusive missions, or were all-faction missions also being included?

    Exactly. Wanna bet that the other missions are all pushed to the end of the tree for all factions? Which is fine, but the upsell of a new faction would be a total bait and switch if that's the case.

    Here is your official response from Reddit

    Q : Is that TOS character only episodes, or cross faction episodes?
    A: I'm seeing a fair few people freaking out that the next expansion only has 6 episodes in total, and this simply isn't the case, hence my post. I can't go into more detail than that ;-)

    ... which basically translates to "still baiting" :P ... I guess we'll get a DEV-Blog 2 days before launch, however ...

    It is really annoying how coy they tend to be with details. I understand not wanting to give away too much plot, but many times I think Cryptic would have been better off being open about things and forthcoming with their mistakes. DR as an obvious example.
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    es5001es5001 Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    es5001 wrote: »

    What exactly was the question this was an answer to? Was the question specifically about AoY character exclusive missions, or were all-faction missions also being included?

    Well there is at least one additional mission teased here https://youtu.be/wE0PARmn6x0
    the rest is vague.
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    jtoon74jtoon74 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    When you consider that their are TOS ship types upto Admiral, you have to imagine that there is far more TOS content, plus I seem to remember that on tribble before the LoR you could only play up to your decision to become Klink or Fed.

    I also read something from somebody saying that their was TOS content upto about level 40 but I can't find it now so, Sorry :/
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Here is the proper context: https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/4l5tzo/my_problem_with_the_new_temporal_faction_in_aoy/

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    foxwaterfoxwater Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    I loved it...but

    It realy does feel like an extended tutorial. There was just..so much more to be had.

    So many hints at greatness, I mean we saw a certain man for ONE mission. Surely, he hasn't been modelled for just that?

    At the very least, I want to see ANY tos-themed current mission reflect the changes.

    I.E If we go back in time to TOS era on a TOS character, we should (crew and self) reflect on the era and feel more at home, have an easier time, etc. It is our home afterall. Perhaps some references like, a TOS captain saying you look remarkably like the federation hero that died at X.

    etc.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    If we are all wrong and there are indeed more TOS faction specific missions to come, you'd think Cryptic would have had the common sense to announce that before pushing Battle of Caleb IV to Tribble ... anyone who knew how that mission ended should have known it would cause a panic.
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    teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    If we are all wrong and there are indeed more TOS faction specific missions to come, you'd think Cryptic would have had the common sense to announce that before pushing Battle of Caleb IV to Tribble ... anyone who knew how that mission ended should have known it would cause a panic.

    Yeah, you add that with how coy Cryptic is being and I think we're kinda dead on about at least some of this. If Cryptic isn't addressing this, then I really can't understand them at all. They want people to spend 100+ on a ship pack but can't talk to would be buyers about what to expect?
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    gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    edited May 2016

    jtoon74 wrote: »
    When you consider that their are TOS ship types upto Admiral, you have to imagine that there is far more TOS content, plus I seem to remember that on tribble before the LoR you could only play up to your decision to become Klink or Fed.

    I also read something from somebody saying that their was TOS content upto about level 40 but I can't find it now so, Sorry :/

    exactly the elochi arc did not come to tribble until late in testing and not even all the episodes only a few of the starting and the ending mission
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    thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    gpgtx wrote: »
    jtoon74 wrote: »
    When you consider that their are TOS ship types upto Admiral, you have to imagine that there is far more TOS content, plus I seem to remember that on tribble before the LoR you could only play up to your decision to become Klink or Fed.

    I also read something from somebody saying that their was TOS content upto about level 40 but I can't find it now so, Sorry :/

    exactly the elochi arc did not come to tribble until late in testing and not even all the episodes only a few of the starting and the ending mission

    You guys do realize there are currently LvL 40-50-60 TOS-Characters on Tribble flying around in Defiant & Galaxy - Class Ships fighting Cardassians etc ?
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    dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    jtoon74 wrote: »
    When you consider that their are TOS ship types upto Admiral, you have to imagine that there is far more TOS content, plus I seem to remember that on tribble before the LoR you could only play up to your decision to become Klink or Fed.

    I also read something from somebody saying that their was TOS content upto about level 40 but I can't find it now so, Sorry :/

    And I'm just waiting for Temporal Instigations to come along and say "and here's a series of starships that will have the cute reprogrammable physical buttons you're so used to, now go use this 25th century strength tech to go wipe out Driffin's Comet (or whatever that comet is in Night of the Comet...)"

    I mean, it's not like TI's already covertly upgrading my Pathfinder's stuff to blast 29th Century Na'Kuhl with more efficiency than my average success rate against the Vaadwaur...
    Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...

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    norcaler2norcaler2 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    If we are all wrong and there are indeed more TOS faction specific missions to come, you'd think Cryptic would have had the common sense to announce that before pushing Battle of Caleb IV to Tribble ... anyone who knew how that mission ended should have known it would cause a panic.

    And continuing on as it currently stands might cause problems that'd require re-rolling the character. Note that the Explore ESD v 2.0 mission is listed at Level 9, but Stranded in Space and onwards is still at Level 1 and so forth. Maybe it would have saved Cryptic some hassle if they just cut off the entire quest chain right there before they were read to bring it in.
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    thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    norcaler2 wrote: »
    If we are all wrong and there are indeed more TOS faction specific missions to come, you'd think Cryptic would have had the common sense to announce that before pushing Battle of Caleb IV to Tribble ... anyone who knew how that mission ended should have known it would cause a panic.

    And continuing on as it currently stands might cause problems that'd require re-rolling the character. Note that the Explore ESD v 2.0 mission is listed at Level 9, but Stranded in Space and onwards is still at Level 1 and so forth. Maybe it would have saved Cryptic some hassle if they just cut off the entire quest chain right there before they were read to bring it in.

    Yeah if you continued to play / test with your current TOS-Toon ... purchasing ships at Lvl 20-30-40 etc ... you're basically ***** if they miraculously "revamp" the entire "leveling-experience" ... not that it would matter on Tribble, it just seems "beyond reasonable" & "highly unlikely" ...
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    If we are all wrong and there are indeed more TOS faction specific missions to come, you'd think Cryptic would have had the common sense to announce that before pushing Battle of Caleb IV to Tribble ... anyone who knew how that mission ended should have known it would cause a panic.
    I'm pretty sure that the part up to the end of the Battle of Caleb is basically the TOS extended tutorial. The rest of AoY is probably not faction specific. but it's not out yet.
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    gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    gpgtx wrote: »
    jtoon74 wrote: »
    When you consider that their are TOS ship types upto Admiral, you have to imagine that there is far more TOS content, plus I seem to remember that on tribble before the LoR you could only play up to your decision to become Klink or Fed.

    I also read something from somebody saying that their was TOS content upto about level 40 but I can't find it now so, Sorry :/

    exactly the elochi arc did not come to tribble until late in testing and not even all the episodes only a few of the starting and the ending mission

    You guys do realize there are currently LvL 40-50-60 TOS-Characters on Tribble flying around in Defiant & Galaxy - Class Ships fighting Cardassians etc ?[/quote]

    same thing happened with the romulan faction when it first showed up i have a lvl 50 early rom with a t5 sov assault cruiser on tribble
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    gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    norcaler2 wrote: »
    If we are all wrong and there are indeed more TOS faction specific missions to come, you'd think Cryptic would have had the common sense to announce that before pushing Battle of Caleb IV to Tribble ... anyone who knew how that mission ended should have known it would cause a panic.

    And continuing on as it currently stands might cause problems that'd require re-rolling the character. Note that the Explore ESD v 2.0 mission is listed at Level 9, but Stranded in Space and onwards is still at Level 1 and so forth. Maybe it would have saved Cryptic some hassle if they just cut off the entire quest chain right there before they were read to bring it in.

    Yeah if you continued to play / test with your current TOS-Toon ... purchasing ships at Lvl 20-30-40 etc ... you're basically ***** if they miraculously "revamp" the entire "leveling-experience" ... not that it would matter on Tribble, it just seems "beyond reasonable" & "highly unlikely" ...


    LoR had 3 complete tribble wipes do to leveling progression being borked and a few times you had to start over from scratch even with out the wipes if you wanted to test new missions after lv 10 romulans


    not ready yet to scream DOOOOOMMMM!!!!
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    teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    A little bit more insight to what we'll be looking at tweets.jpg
    I think that conceptually, this could be a really really awesome expac if that's happening the way I think it might. It sounds like we might get a full on Dr Who-esq time traveling narrative that ends up aligning really well to the STO over all plot. I wouldn't mind that at all. Particularly since the trailer seems to show some of the old fed missions which makes me wonder if they're going to be rearranged and done for the TOS faction in such a way that they are different and offer a more nuanced insight into what's happening and the intrigue of the temporal war.
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    thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    teknesia wrote: »
    A little bit more insight to what we'll be looking at tweets.jpg
    I think that conceptually, this could be a really really awesome expac if that's happening the way I think it might. It sounds like we might get a full on Dr Who-esq time traveling narrative that ends up aligning really well to the STO over all plot. I wouldn't mind that at all. Particularly since the trailer seems to show some of the old fed missions which makes me wonder if they're going to be rearranged and done for the TOS faction in such a way that they are different and offer a more nuanced insight into what's happening and the intrigue of the temporal war.

    Sorry maybe I'm just a cynic ... but it sounds like some lame excuse, (hidden beyond a huge misleading wall of marketing) to make you replay the already existing FED-content ... with some "oh look there is some temporal thingie to scan" ... so basically everthing that already leaked ...
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    thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    gpgtx wrote: »
    norcaler2 wrote: »
    If we are all wrong and there are indeed more TOS faction specific missions to come, you'd think Cryptic would have had the common sense to announce that before pushing Battle of Caleb IV to Tribble ... anyone who knew how that mission ended should have known it would cause a panic.

    And continuing on as it currently stands might cause problems that'd require re-rolling the character. Note that the Explore ESD v 2.0 mission is listed at Level 9, but Stranded in Space and onwards is still at Level 1 and so forth. Maybe it would have saved Cryptic some hassle if they just cut off the entire quest chain right there before they were read to bring it in.

    Yeah if you continued to play / test with your current TOS-Toon ... purchasing ships at Lvl 20-30-40 etc ... you're basically ***** if they miraculously "revamp" the entire "leveling-experience" ... not that it would matter on Tribble, it just seems "beyond reasonable" & "highly unlikely" ...


    LoR had 3 complete tribble wipes do to leveling progression being borked and a few times you had to start over from scratch even with out the wipes if you wanted to test new missions after lv 10 romulans


    not ready yet to scream DOOOOOMMMM!!!!

    That's weird ... since my Lvl 36 LoR-Tesdummy is still alive & well on Tribble ... but again reading comprehension ftw ... it wouldn't really matter, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense (story-wise) ...

    It's bascically the LoR-Equivalent of "No Romulans don't have to ally with anyone, they're their own independent Faction, everything currently on Tribble is a lie or just "unfinished" ... which is funny because I actually had the same discussion 3 years ago ... if you "want to believe" however, please go ahead ... I was just stating the obvious ...

    PS : I personally don't care that much about AoY, one way or another ... as long as it's not going to introduce T7 Ships & TOS-Patrols (I'm "allowed" to grind) ... I'm fine (at least 6 new high quality Missions) :P everything else boils down to "maybe play another Toon" & "maybe buy some new Ships" & "is it worth it" ... but it's certainly not going to destroy my overall STO Experience ... so no need for "DOOM" ... again just stating the obvious ...
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    teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    teknesia wrote: »
    A little bit more insight to what we'll be looking at tweets.jpg
    I think that conceptually, this could be a really really awesome expac if that's happening the way I think it might. It sounds like we might get a full on Dr Who-esq time traveling narrative that ends up aligning really well to the STO over all plot. I wouldn't mind that at all. Particularly since the trailer seems to show some of the old fed missions which makes me wonder if they're going to be rearranged and done for the TOS faction in such a way that they are different and offer a more nuanced insight into what's happening and the intrigue of the temporal war.

    Sorry maybe I'm just a cynic ... but it sounds like some lame excuse, (hidden beyond a huge misleading wall of marketing) to make you replay the already existing FED-content ... with some "oh look there is some temporal thingie to scan" ... so basically everthing that already leaked ...

    Maybe. I hold my judgement entirely until it releases. Still, they were said to have spent something like 6 months on this. I doubt what we've seen is the result of six months running. If that's what they chose, then I really would have lost respect for them, but my gut says no. I'm thinking it's gonna be more than just oooo scan this item. More like a ton of time travel shenanigans with cameos and added content to boot plus a faction agnostic bit of content that makes the most sense from the perspective of a temporal agent.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Yeah, they've shown us that they made a bunch of new stuff, but that new stuff had nothing to do with the six missions we've done so far.
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