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Something I've been curious about since I've started playing this game.
In the Star Trek TV series in most combat situations the goal is to disable or destroy an enemy ship, I can understand that. But even during the Dominion War (I am re-watching DS9) when Captain Sisko and the crew run around on some planet or even on the Defiant in a death struggle with the Jem'Hadar their weapons are still on. Guess what? Heavy stun.
It's also demonstrated several times every Starfleet weapon in a locker is set to stun, if not "off".
I understand sometimes we kill, they do that in the series as well. But I can't bring myself to believe why in a Star Trek related game every mission must involve me and my bridge officers actively killing and vaporizing up to 300-400 enemies during the course of a day.. Or a few away missions.
This kind of super high murder rate would warrant a court martial at best.
I do like that the game sometimes give you the option to spare a life rather than kill it, but why is this even an option?
Starfleet doesn't "kill" like the Klingons or other spieces do, it's made to set an example on how we show mercy etc. For example Kirk when fighting the Gorn.
Now that some missions are bugged, I can even do the missions "Everything old is new" go back in time and vaporize fellow Starfleet personnel.
I find it appalling that a Star Trek game has more killing than any other game I've ever played. Even Age of Empires II and Saints Row is less violent than this stuff... And this is a STAR TREK game.
You should really tone down the ammount of pure killing in this game, even though Starfleet is fighting wars on several fronts. I don't think Starfleet would ever resort to pure killing. Mass slaughtering of god how many millions over the course of the various missions I've played.
Like the mission where you escape Hassan's fight pit on Nimbus 3? Why do I, a Starfleet officer be forced to kill 97 bar patrons to get myself to complete the mission.
Our weapons should be set on stun except when attacking impossible enemies (Iconian, Undine, Borg etc)
I love this game and I love Star Trek but seeing Star Trek combined with mass slaughtering that beats even as mentioned, Saints Row, Grand Theft Auto and other bloody gore games. It's just appalling.
Set our weapons to stun...
While we are at it. I do not understand why Starfleet is so eager to get involved in combat situations nowadays. Why the fudge is Starfleet helping the Kobali when they are clearly lying to us. Sure we are at war with the Vaadwaur but still? Really?
Starfleet is wayyyyyy to eager to get involved with wars these days. Why did we help the Kobali and not the Remans?
We need to go back and think how the Federation and Starfleet acted. Not this super killing machines of death that is joining every war we can fight.
Examples.
Klingon civil war errupts even though it's caused by Romulan interference. Klingons send out a distress call and Picard orders the Enterprise-D to be moved "away from the combat area".
If this was Star Trek Online, I'm sure Picard would have thrown Starfleet into another war by killing 500 Klingons and 30 ships alone?
Another example.
The U.S.S. Phoenix is eventually able to somewhat prove to Picard that the Cardassians are infact arming for war again, and is using the peace treaty as a form of breathing room. Picard refuses to look at the evidence because he wants peace to be maintained. In the end of the episode Picard does realise the Phoenix was right. The Cardassians are infact arming for war again.
How does Starfleet and the Federation respond? By letting the Cardassians know. Not going all crazy fudge and starting another war in pure bloodshed.
Final example.
Our characters can't do one away mission without atleast killing 30 people.
Commander Riker on the Enterprise D only had his weapon set to kill ONCE, during all 7 seasons.. That's 7 years of service with Starfleet against Borg, Klingon and Romulan plots and all kinds of things. And he killed ONCE. We kill a minimum of 30 during an away mission. Seriously?
"In 2366, Commander William T. Riker of the USS Enterprise-D was forced to use his phaser to disintegrate the Acamarian servant girl Yuta to prevent her from killing the Lornak tribe leader Chorgan. Stun and kill settings had little effect due to the genetic enhancements done to Yuta. (TNG: "The Vengeance Factor") "
- Taken from Mem. Alpha.
lol.
In the Star Trek TV series in most combat situations the goal is to disable or destroy an enemy ship, I can understand that. But even during the Dominion War (I am re-watching DS9) when Captain Sisko and the crew run around on some planet or even on the Defiant in a death struggle with the Jem'Hadar their weapons are still on. Guess what? Heavy stun.
It's also demonstrated several times every Starfleet weapon in a locker is set to stun, if not "off".
I understand sometimes we kill, they do that in the series as well. But I can't bring myself to believe why in a Star Trek related game every mission must involve me and my bridge officers actively killing and vaporizing up to 300-400 enemies during the course of a day.. Or a few away missions.
This kind of super high murder rate would warrant a court martial at best.
I do like that the game sometimes give you the option to spare a life rather than kill it, but why is this even an option?
Starfleet doesn't "kill" like the Klingons or other spieces do, it's made to set an example on how we show mercy etc. For example Kirk when fighting the Gorn.
Now that some missions are bugged, I can even do the missions "Everything old is new" go back in time and vaporize fellow Starfleet personnel.
I find it appalling that a Star Trek game has more killing than any other game I've ever played. Even Age of Empires II and Saints Row is less violent than this stuff... And this is a STAR TREK game.
You should really tone down the ammount of pure killing in this game, even though Starfleet is fighting wars on several fronts. I don't think Starfleet would ever resort to pure killing. Mass slaughtering of god how many millions over the course of the various missions I've played.
Like the mission where you escape Hassan's fight pit on Nimbus 3? Why do I, a Starfleet officer be forced to kill 97 bar patrons to get myself to complete the mission.
Our weapons should be set on stun except when attacking impossible enemies (Iconian, Undine, Borg etc)
I love this game and I love Star Trek but seeing Star Trek combined with mass slaughtering that beats even as mentioned, Saints Row, Grand Theft Auto and other bloody gore games. It's just appalling.
Set our weapons to stun...
While we are at it. I do not understand why Starfleet is so eager to get involved in combat situations nowadays. Why the fudge is Starfleet helping the Kobali when they are clearly lying to us. Sure we are at war with the Vaadwaur but still? Really?
Starfleet is wayyyyyy to eager to get involved with wars these days. Why did we help the Kobali and not the Remans?
We need to go back and think how the Federation and Starfleet acted. Not this super killing machines of death that is joining every war we can fight.
Examples.
Klingon civil war errupts even though it's caused by Romulan interference. Klingons send out a distress call and Picard orders the Enterprise-D to be moved "away from the combat area".
If this was Star Trek Online, I'm sure Picard would have thrown Starfleet into another war by killing 500 Klingons and 30 ships alone?
Another example.
The U.S.S. Phoenix is eventually able to somewhat prove to Picard that the Cardassians are infact arming for war again, and is using the peace treaty as a form of breathing room. Picard refuses to look at the evidence because he wants peace to be maintained. In the end of the episode Picard does realise the Phoenix was right. The Cardassians are infact arming for war again.
How does Starfleet and the Federation respond? By letting the Cardassians know. Not going all crazy fudge and starting another war in pure bloodshed.
Final example.
Our characters can't do one away mission without atleast killing 30 people.
Commander Riker on the Enterprise D only had his weapon set to kill ONCE, during all 7 seasons.. That's 7 years of service with Starfleet against Borg, Klingon and Romulan plots and all kinds of things. And he killed ONCE. We kill a minimum of 30 during an away mission. Seriously?
"In 2366, Commander William T. Riker of the USS Enterprise-D was forced to use his phaser to disintegrate the Acamarian servant girl Yuta to prevent her from killing the Lornak tribe leader Chorgan. Stun and kill settings had little effect due to the genetic enhancements done to Yuta. (TNG: "The Vengeance Factor") "
- Taken from Mem. Alpha.
lol.
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Anyone else notice this? It must be a bug. I never saw it before my month off.
After all, "dead" characters can be revived in two seconds with an ordinary tricorder. Yes, even the disintegrated ones.
Unless you're suggesting the tricorder actually summons them back from the afterlife, new body and all? Although given all the other Space Magic being flinged about...sure why not.
What makes you think we disintegrate them?
He's dead Jim! - "Bones" L. H. McCoy
I don't compromise with Borg. - K. Janeway
This is one of those times when we must face the ramifications of the Prime Directive and honor those lives which we cannot save. - J. Picard
I find no honor in this whatsoever, Captain. - N. Rozhenko
On Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window at Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise. Well, it's easy to be a saint in paradise. But the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there, in the Demilitarized Zone, all problems have not been solved yet. There are no saints, just people; angry, scared, determined people who are going to do whatever it takes to survive, whether it meets with the Federation approval or not. - B. Sisko
Picard, you are about to move into areas of the galaxy filled with wonders you cannot possibly imagine. And terrors to freeze your soul! - Q
If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid. - Q
Do you know that you're one of the few predator species that preys even on itself? - Trelane
Who would've thought that the two of us would be fighting, side by side? - Garak
Just remember when you fire that thing, you're aiming it at a Klingon. - Dukat
Star Trek is filled with Violence, conflict and bigotry, sexism, political and racially questionable things, people lost and things to overcome.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
But killing over 200-300 people during the course of ONE mission is a bit... Heavy?
janeway killed trillions of lives on her reckless bid to get back home.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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Shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill,
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The Space Magic resurrection of disintegrated people would've at least been a funny topic.
My character Tsin'xing
It's an expansion of transporter technology, everyone's pattern is copied and stored in the computer so you can still be revived if your ever vaporized
What we should have are more effects like the Axon. Knocked to X% sets you adrift and allies can restore you. Thus we 'disable' our enemies. But on missions or stf's we need explosions because of the waves of attackers would clog things up.
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Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
...right before a flying, double-legged Kirk-fu kick that causes them to vaporize with it's awesome power.
</making stuff up>
"It's all right, I can see their escape pods" :P
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My forum single-issue of rage: Make the Proton Experimental Weapon go for subsystem targetting!
If my tactical officer ever tells me this, I'll tell him to lock weapons ...
WAIT! I'm not reading any life signs...
*Shoots anyway just to be sure*
Oh... The Beginning of Star Wars just went all wrong...
Emperor Palpatine: "Lord Vader, where are the plans?"
Darth Vader: "They were destroyed by Lt. Whatsisname"
Emporer Palpatine: *force chokes Lord Vader and goes looking for his son*
What about the penguins?
Are the penguins real?
Well I suppose it's better than playing in one big tribble.