Tac, Sci and Eng Help

jelly0

Right, since the new skill system change I just stopped playing, couldn't be bothered going through over 15 characters and applying skills one by one (What moron left it like that).

Tactical - Fleet Defiant
Science - Intrepid
Engineering - Sovvy / Galaxy (Although I do love my Sovvy, beautiful ship)

These are my ships for each career path but I need some help with the skills for each,

Tactical no need for in depth explanation you wreck stuff.

Science I never really knew how to go about this so just tried to get through stuff without dying but I currently use PBA with complete Borg set.

Engineering I usually tried to get the right skills to take a beating for the team, beam boat that used to take a serious beating.

Currently all my captains have 0 skill points assigned and since they still charged you for respec (Dont care about the discount they gave, it was a crappy move not to make the respec free for a week after so people could get used to the new system) I didnt want to TRIBBLE up as it meant I would be left with it forever.

Any help would be appreciated in regards to helping with skills.

hawkrunner

You can always copy a toon (or toons) to Tribble, go to the console on Drozana, buy like 30-50 respec tokens, and play around with different specs. Other than that, here are my thoughts on this:

There are a few skills that are really important regardless of Captain career:

• Energy/Kinetic weapon training is very important depending on what type(s) of weapons you use
• 3 points in Long-range targeting sensors is very important; it's a mitigation that we could not get before, and the effect is huge
• 2 points in EPS is important to keep your weapon power level up when firing energy weapons
• Coordination Protocols line is significant if you play any sort of PvE Queue or team content, or to a lesser extent if you have hangar pets. The effect of having 4x of those buffs on yourself is nothing to ignore.

Beyond that, there is a lot of discussion as to the Tactical and Science ultimate abilities. From what I've seen, they are very comparable in the current state of the game and very strong, even with the current server performance issues at the high end.

If you're worried about survivability, take note of the new Strategist specialization, along with the new Threatening Stance power. It really is quite excellent.

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jelly0

Never thought about the tribble thing lol, big download just for trying skills though.

I was more concerned on the abilities you get via points allocated as well, are these important ?

antonine3258

Some of the old abilities work their way through them - do you use batteries a lot? You'll want that versus threat.

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/ has the unlocks up so you can get some ideas more visibly than the hovertext in game.

dareau

For the record, each character got their "mandated" respec (because of the dropping of spec points) and one more "free" respec on top of that.

Also, characters carried over what other respecs they may have earned, such as from levelling with an active subscription/LTS...

jelly0

antonine3258 wrote: »

Some of the old abilities work their way through them - do you use batteries a lot? You'll want that versus threat.

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/ has the unlocks up so you can get some ideas more visibly than the hovertext in game.

Ive visited that site several times since the changes but still dont have a clue, was hard enough to learn everything the last time.

What about this for Tactical

Lieutenant
3xHull Capacity
3xEnergy Weapon Training

Lt. Commander
Electro-Plasma System Flow + Improved EPS Flow
3xImpulse Expertise
3xTargeting Expertise
3xDefensive Maneuvering

Commander
Hull Plating + Energized + Ablative
3xWeapon Amplification
3xWeapon Specialization

Captain
Offensive Subsystem Tuning + Weapon, Engine Performance
3xLong-Range Targeting Sensors
3xHull Penetration

Admiral
Warp Core Potential + Improved WCP, Warp Core Efficiency

38 points spent, 8 left.

ultimatenewbie

jelly0 wrote: »

What about this for Tactical

Lieutenant
3xHull Capacity
3xEnergy Weapon Training

No Shield cap??!?

nephitis

ultimatenewbie wrote: »

jelly0 wrote: »

What about this for Tactical

Lieutenant
3xHull Capacity
3xEnergy Weapon Training

No Shield cap??!?

Your shields usually get shredded to oblivion anyways, and there is little that boosts shield regen apart from the Omega space trait high shield power. If it is survivability you want then it is better to invest in defense and speed, as well as hull regeneration. It is easier to boost and hull can never be drained like shields. While shields protect you, hull keep you alive.

e30ernest

1 point in shield regen is nice since it applies a bonus percentage based on your your total shield cap. Hull regen on the other hand only applies a bonus percentage to your current hull regen (which is already really small especially when you are in combat. In terms of points investment, it's not worth it in my opinion.

jelly0

Such a PITA that you are forced down certain routes on each captain just to be able to get the training manuals and I am having a lot of difficulty with Science and Engineering for my Intrepid and Sovvy.

Mainly for solo stuff with Grav Well, cluster torp and beam arrays on the Science.

jelly0

Took a while but managed to fill out a skill planner including my ship if anybody wouldn't mind taking a look.

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/81da82325b5dbc3b0390da3d74b7ff84

antonine3258

Depending on how you run your power systems with the AMP core - efficiency runs off the set power levels, so it could give you a bigger boost than improved warp core potential.

jelly0

I usually run full power to weapons, here is how my power levels were before the skill change (They are a lot different now due to no skills being applied) if you want I can show you a now as well.

http://i.imgur.com/waXsYFW.jpg

Edit
I managed to get over 75 power in each system with weapons maxed out.

mustrumridcully0

If you are not certain if you need a skill or not, my general guideline:
- The first point in any skill gives the most benefit.
- The 3rd point in any skill usually gives the least benefit.
- The higher the tier of the skill, the more specific the benefit often is.
The above is just a general guideline, not always 100 % true for each and every skill (some skills branch out after the first pick, for example. Long Range Targeting works a bit different since it's a penalty reduction skill, not a skill that boosts something).

But as a result, I would recommend: Ensure you have 1 point in every skill up to the Commander Tier or so.
Beyond that, look more closely. Buff weapons (of the type you want to use) first. Before you pick a 3rd point in any skill, definitely consider if you can't spend it on a 2nd or 1st somewhere else.
Beyond that, I probably would try to get power level boosts. Weapon Power being a priority on a Cruiser or Escort, Auxiliary on a Science Vessel and as the second priority on any ship type.

By that guideline your build is unlikely to be screwed over and missing something significant. It probably will still have optimization potential, but it might depend a lot on exact play style, ship choice, bridge officer ability choice and so on.

I used the skill planner now to generate a "generic" build that follows the above concepts:
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/91f17eb17bec2279429c5204ef6135db
If I was supposed to use this on a Science Vessel though, I'd shift tactical points over to science. Maybe I would even do that in general on any build I'd use, since I like to integrate a Lt.Cmdr science offensive skill where ever I can, and more Exotic Particle Generators and Control Expertise are useful there.


If you go for an Ultimate ability, you have a lot less choices in general, since most of your points will be spend on one branch.

The build you linked is something that probaby will work fine on a pure DPS Cruiser or Escort build. I would suck for a Science Vessel, obviously.

jelly0

Thank you for your input, ill have a think over the next few days before I make any permanent decisions.

jelly0

Well, decided on some skills and I have suffered quite a bit. I used to have weapons set to max and the other 3 used to be above 75 but now the 3 are lacking by 10-15 points.