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Agents of Yesterday (and their timeline)
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I know not many details have been released for this expansion yet, but when I saw the news yesterday it was a pleasant surprise, and I received the news in a positive light; new ships, new characters, and a new bunch of episodes all themed around the TOS era. Having since had time to think on it though, I find myself with more questions than answers.
Presumably this wont be a full TOS themed expansion, in that we'll all still be using the same Starfleet Academy, Earth Space Dock, First City etc? From an RPG perspective, walking around Earth Space Dock with the speaker system announcing the welcoming of the Romulan Republic might just cause a few temporal explosions in the brains of our TOS characters.
Also, the new (yet older?) ships, some of which appear to be T5/T6? Presumably they're going to be on par with existing T5/T6 ships, and our TOS characters are going to have to share the same reputation system as our existing characters? This obviously means that our TOS characters are going to be facing off against the Borg, Voth, Undine and Terran Empire (among others). Not exactly what you'd expect for a TOS expansion; somewhat takes away from the TOS theme by where the main opposition came from the Klingons, with the Romulans (and Tholian?) taking more of a back seat?
I would also assume that our TOS characters (if we're all sharing the same map here) are going to be able to visit Cardassia, DS9 and the Delta Quadrant... See the problem here? If the end of this expansion has our TOS characters pretty much at the stage where our 2410 characters are come endgame, then I'd question the logic behind the expansion. Surely a TOS themed FE series would have made more sense?
I don't mean to pick this expansion apart, especially as there's still much to be revealed, but I do fear that your [Cryptic's] good intentions might fall flat here.
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It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
I wonder how many Capt. Morgan Batesons will end up being in the game?
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1. During our storyline, we are recruited around level 50 as temporal agents, sent to a FE around the 26th century (looking at the very Enterprise-J looks for one of the ships), and ultimately end up around 2410. Prior to this point, we'll have our own look on the galaxy, just like the Romulans early game only see Dewa III instead of New Romulus. I would not even be surprised if we get a TOS version of ESD just for this expansion.
2. We actually originate from a point beyond the 23rd Century, say the 26th or 29th. Due to the Temporal Cold War erupting in all earnest we are the one placed in the 23rd century for a lenghty assignment, which has us taking command of a ship and crew at that time. And at the conclusion of the storyline, we are rearranged towards the 25th century.
My personal bet is number 1. Looking at the numerous Enterprise-J styled ships at T6, where the TOS influence simply disappears is quite interesting. And makes me believe that we indeed go ahead of the STO storyline before we join 2410. And thus start brawling with the Voth, the Undine, the Borg and so on. But I do guess we'll be written in quite nicely.
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But what makes me wonder is that TOS is shown as independent faction. I haven't read TOS aligned Federation or KDF. No everywhere i've been looking it appears that TSO faction is independent. So what does that mean?
will they have their own ESD (fleets and fleet starbases too?) and access to their timeframe somehow?
The Bozeman was lost to time in 2278 several weeks out from spacedock. it depends at what point in history this whole thing is setup in. if its 2272 for example, then the uss bozeman does not exist in the timeline because it has not yet been constructed and Captain Bateson was like Commander Bateson at the time.
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That temporal raider looks a bit Klingon to me...
Ah, we'll see.
what would be the point in the lower tier ships as you pointed out?
No, i have a sneaking suspicion that you get to play out a journey starting on the enterprise as its captain when kirk is killed in action along with spock, uhura and mccoy with Sulu injured but alive, leaving you scotty and chekov on the bridge, an attack from a time traveler who is intent on destroy starfleet timelines and cripple starfleet. however in this altered timeline, you not only fight the enemy off with your connie, but then you go on a rampage to find out who this demon was in his blood red ship by continuing the adventures of the past skipping years between and becoming the greatest captain in history of the time, all of it ending up with the time travelers destroyed and possibly ending up on veridian 3 helping out picard in place of kirk and stopping soren more than likely. along the way you end up going up the ranks and different ships until your time ends when sulu and the excelsior takes over duties in the 2290's.
in between you are tasked by a temporal agent about things that will happen and may bring you to a future point to give you an understanding of how important your role is to succeed as Kirk's replacement in history.
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In another thread (the ugly saucer thread) someone mentioned "I'll fly it if it has great stats". While the T6 ships presumably need to have good/current stats, it is hard to see how a TOS era ship could have comparable stats to modern ones, without some major "doin' the time warp" story-juggling. So I'll be expecting 'stats adequate for the story line they'll play through'.
I wonder (despite our Trekker player base) just how many players aren't even all that familiar with TOS. It brings to mind a discussion I had about 20+ years ago. A few friends had gathered to watch a couple sci-fi movies, ST came up, and the host and I (both 'raised-on-TOS' generation fellows) asked the youngest lady present if she preferred 'the new show' or 'the old show'.
Her reply? "Oh I dunno, Sisko is okay but Picard is definitely the best. I guess I like the old one better."
(My friend and I did the 'blink blink - did I just get a full generation older?' thing)
I doubt it will make full sense, though.
I guess I'll call my Captain Jacqueline Harkness and claim the chameleon circuit of her time ship is broken.
(If I decided to keep a TOS skin.)
possibly. we need more details to get any facts from this speculation.
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at some point I am guessing the TOS captain is going to end up in the future as with the Bozeman, commanded by Morgan Bateson or some such temporal event, surely at this point he/she will carry on service with star fleet as a fed faction character, this doesn't even make him/her of a half faction as he/she cant go back to visit "home base" as you can with a romulan character.
to me this is just a regular fed character with a slightly different start up to the existing fed characters.
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People are classing this as a new faction because Cryptic classes it as a new faction. Until we get information that says otherwise, they are the TOS Fed faction, which indeed is different from the STO Fed faction.
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It may require making it fixed lvl maps to balance it, but i'd really enjoy taking my existing characters into the TOS era... (though i have to admit it's going to need some covering up of origin for some).
But i'd also like for tutorial missions to be replayable in general... ('cause it's the only missions bridge officers have a personality in (for understandable reasons))
Says who? The pack doesn't indicate one way or the other - this claim is only made for the costumes and (to my surprise) titles.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
That being said, I've been informed that @zeroniusrex has said that non-TOS Federation characters can also claim the ships... the line may be blurrier than I thought.
Definitely a new leveling story, though.
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This will be interesting on how this will turn out.
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IF the TOS toons are gonna end up in the same place as our current toons, it's gonna be some forced end-mission (like Roms joining a faction) where they end up going through a temporal rift and *surprise!* end up in 2410. That's where I'd put my money if I was a betting man.
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im expecting you in command of a ship to explore out what kirk would of done or in place of kirk and then the time stuff later in the story arc.
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This. I'm assuming that the TOS characters aren't actually from the 23rd century but agents inserted into the timestream from the far future and the ships you use are merely mimicing 23rd century starships (that would explain T5 TOS ships)
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I'd rather start in the 23rd century and simply stay there, no time travel whatsoever
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