@sinn74 No you're throwing a tantrum. Expressing displeasure would of been along the lines of "I don't agree with where they are going with this expansion, I think it's a bad idea". That's expressing displeasure. You on the other hand calling a steaming pile without even trying the content out. That my friend is throwing a tantrum.
It's a steaming pile. I say that without any anger, jumping up and down, banging of my keyboard, or insult. That's my opinion. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowledge that differing opinions than your own may be valid. I don't like anything about this announcement. To me, it's a steaming pile. Using a colorful phrase to mean "bad" isn't throwing a tantrum.
Why do I call it a steaming pile?
1. This is creating another Federation faction. This is after Geko stated that there will be no more faction-specific content. Logic indicates that this indeed means "no KDF or Romulan specific content, but Federation content doesn't count somehow."
2. There are basically no mentions of anything that isn't straight Federation anything. An aside from a developer buried in a Reddit thread stated much later that 2 of the ships can also be used by non-Federation characters.
3. You must create a new (Starfleet!) character for this Big Announcement we all were waiting for.
4. Instead of acknowledging the obvious shortcomings of the game, they announced something that clearly adds to one of those areas (namely, faction balance).
5. Because we are "jumping to conclusions" based on established track records concerning this very type of thing, we are all wrong. Where do all the "calm down" people go when things like the non-existent KDF/ROM Jupiter equivalent, or the "More ships will be added later in the Delta pack, be patient" end up being exactly as we predicted?
No. Just...no. I get that you may be all "I heart this!" but that gives you no right whatsoever to talk down to people who absolutely don't. At best, it's apathy. In most cases, it's sycophancy.
I'm surprised people still expect KDF content. We have the alliance and Cryptic made clear STOs future (we won't see this, but in-lore at least) is the galactic union. It has been outright said there would be no more faction specific content. Why are people still surprised? Sad fact is, if you want to play a Klingon or Romulan game STO isn't the game you are looking for. You can make a character, put on a costume and pretend but this isn't the game featuring what you want. And I say it as someone who wanted to play a Klingon, that's why I bought the game. But reality has caught up to that dream by now.
The expansion is not fed centric, it's TOS centric. And the original series had only a claw full of episodes starring Klingons or Romulans. Sure it would be very nice to have a three faction pocketverse with a battlezone to capture outposts or something like this, but this is STO - how the game works is kinda set in stone.
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I don't see how anyone with a soul could hate this expansion.
Having said that, I understand and sympathize with the heart of the complaint - KDF and Roms are being cast aside for this, and as someone who loves all three factions equally, this makes 2/3 of my heart hurt. The other two factions exist, and we deserve more than just faction-agnostic hand-me-downs written for Feds and hastily edited to vaguely fit KDF/Rom flavor.
I don't know. Maybe there's something, some fact or piece of information we're missing. Something that gives each faction something more than just a token T6 ship. It's still early, we can't say for sure, but as pointed out above, the track record is not filling anyone with hope.
I mean, I still think you're daft for being disappointed in what is otherwise the best idea STO has ever had, but I understand the heart of the problem.
I don't see how anyone with a soul could hate this expansion.
Having said that, I understand and sympathize with the heart of the complaint - KDF and Roms are being cast aside for this, and as someone who loves all three factions equally, this makes 2/3 of my heart hurt. The other two factions exist, and we deserve more than just faction-agnostic hand-me-downs written for Feds and hastily edited to vaguely fit KDF/Rom flavor.
I don't know. Maybe there's something, some fact or piece of information we're missing. Something that gives each faction something more than just a token T6 ship. It's still early, we can't say for sure, but as pointed out above, the track record is not filling anyone with hope.
I mean, I still think you're daft for being disappointed in what is otherwise the best idea STO has ever had, but I understand the heart of the problem.
devs have been fed centric since they launched their game, the kdf and rr were never going to get a look in. so i fail to see at what point it was a surprise. who knows maybe down the line they may have a kdf and romulan addition to this expansion, but i doubt it will be on the level.
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I'm right there with you. I've got nothing against the TOS stuff, but it does seem a bit excessive to make the much anticipated third expansion essentially only TOS content.
Um....Over half of the ships in that pack are not TOS content. They're a mix of elements from Enterprise and Voyager. I mean, yeah, there's a heavy TOS element to the expansion as a whole, because 50th anniversary, but still.
My space barbie loves this. I'll be kitbashing the heck out of those ships.
My expectation is that space barbie is the real extent of this expansion. I reckon 6-8 new missions with temporal patrols to pad it out. Then it'll be going through the usual missions looking for a na'kuhl agent, similar in that respect to the delta derps.
I don't see how anyone with a soul could hate this expansion.
Having said that, I understand and sympathize with the heart of the complaint - KDF and Roms are being cast aside for this, and as someone who loves all three factions equally, this makes 2/3 of my heart hurt. The other two factions exist, and we deserve more than just faction-agnostic hand-me-downs written for Feds and hastily edited to vaguely fit KDF/Rom flavor.
I don't know. Maybe there's something, some fact or piece of information we're missing. Something that gives each faction something more than just a token T6 ship. It's still early, we can't say for sure, but as pointed out above, the track record is not filling anyone with hope.
I mean, I still think you're daft for being disappointed in what is otherwise the best idea STO has ever had, but I understand the heart of the problem.
Some think that everything good about Federation Star Trek simply translates poorly into MMO terms. "I come in peace....zap!"
I really do like Star Trek. My parents made me watch it when I was growing up. All of it. I didn't know Spock wasn't a real person until I was 7. Thing is, the shows and movies are more about character development and morality than anything else. Spectacular character development. Well thought out issues. STO has none of that, and there is no way to come close with a combat focused, linear storyline. After all, who cares if your BOFF dies? You get another off the exchange.
It's mostly a limitation of the medium, and even if Cryptic pulled it off perfectly, it would likely take at least 5x the amount of resources they have.
I never liked the Federation ships. It was:
Starfleet has all the characters you like, somehow able to overcome superior aliens or baffling circumstances to accomplish their goal of peace and exploration. The ships were cheesy, clunky, and awkward looking, but who cares? You saw the people more than the ship anyway.
Klingons, Romulans, etc. had the scary and cool looking ships. You generally saw the ships more than the aliens themselves, sometimes staring at ONLY the ship while [insert captain here] tried figuring out some elaborate plan to fulfill Starfleet's objectives.
If this is a pewpew MMO (it is), having a linear storyline (it does), it makes so much more sense to view it from a warfaring (or sneaky and conniving) species.
I mean, I think it odd it matters WHY I want to enjoy things other than the Federation in this game, but every time I feel pushed to play something I barely enjoy about it, it makes that part of the game (FED side) that much less enjoyable. And, to be fair, this game is geared toward Federation Tactical captains, in cruisers, using FAW builds.
Saying things like "I don't see how anyone with a soul could hate this expansion" is ridiculous, to be honest. So is all of the hate for not wanting to play blue side. That means from you, too, developers speaking on podcasts.
Shouldn't it be enough that different people like different things, and not require this massive wall of text explaining that I'm not the anti[insert deity here] because I feel that way?
I don't see how anyone with a soul could hate this expansion.
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I dont hate it, I love most everything Star Trek and TOS is were it all began. I just dislike the fact I have to create yet another toon to play it. The $129.99 doesnt make it any easier. yes I know i can play it without forking out the cash. If I do roll another toon and say good by Deltas, glad we had so much fun with the time travel but sorry, your not invited on this trip. I'm not going to spend that kind of cash just yet until all the news is out on what we can and cannot do for one story arc for one toon.
Again I just hope there is more news, but if there is more to come then the News should had been released all at once.
Seska would like a word with you regarding that statement.;)
"Predominantly limited" does not mean "exclusively limited to". Of course you had Seska on Voyager. However, she was a single character playing out her own arc. I had meant that most all of the story development (history regarding the Cardassian people as a whole and their history/story arc) was depicted through episodes/arcs on TNG and DS9.
Well my Seska comment was just a joke. But if I have to be serious for a moment, the Cardassian content in Voyager due to Seska being a returning villain did drag on for quite a bit. And the Cardassian story was tied into the Maquis story in the Trek universe.
And that subplot stuck around Voyager for quite awhile too.
My overall point being, if I have to be serious about this, is that Voyager and TNG had a remarkably similar amount of content with the Cardassian/Maquis focus. The real meat and potatoes of all of that was DS9, obviously. But Voyager was no slouch on pushing onward with Cardassians, considering how far away they actually were from the Beta Quadrant.
It's a steaming pile. I say that without any anger, jumping up and down, banging of my keyboard, or insult. That's my opinion. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowledge that differing opinions than your own may be valid. I don't like anything about this announcement. To me, it's a steaming pile. Using a colorful phrase to mean "bad" isn't throwing a tantrum.
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No. Just...no. I get that you may be all "I heart this!" but that gives you no right whatsoever to talk down to people who absolutely don't. At best, it's apathy. In most cases, it's sycophancy.
That last paragraph there reads like you are jumping up and down and banging your keyboard as you typed it. Which is probably why people think you are throwing a tantrum.
It's cool if you don't like the announcement. But you could chill out a little bit about it.
It's a steaming pile. I say that without any anger, jumping up and down, banging of my keyboard, or insult. That's my opinion. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowledge that differing opinions than your own may be valid. I don't like anything about this announcement. To me, it's a steaming pile. Using a colorful phrase to mean "bad" isn't throwing a tantrum.
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No. Just...no. I get that you may be all "I heart this!" but that gives you no right whatsoever to talk down to people who absolutely don't. At best, it's apathy. In most cases, it's sycophancy.
That last paragraph there reads like you are jumping up and down and banging your keyboard as you typed it. Which is probably why people think you are throwing a tantrum.
It's cool if you don't like the announcement. But you could chill out a little bit about it.
Really? Because I was actually laughing at a movie in the background when I typed it. I see no insults, hyperbole, personal attacks, threats, or anything else that implies "tantrum." I guess people will see what they want to see *shrug*
It's a steaming pile. I say that without any anger, jumping up and down, banging of my keyboard, or insult. That's my opinion. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowledge that differing opinions than your own may be valid. I don't like anything about this announcement. To me, it's a steaming pile. Using a colorful phrase to mean "bad" isn't throwing a tantrum.
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No. Just...no. I get that you may be all "I heart this!" but that gives you no right whatsoever to talk down to people who absolutely don't. At best, it's apathy. In most cases, it's sycophancy.
That last paragraph there reads like you are jumping up and down and banging your keyboard as you typed it. Which is probably why people think you are throwing a tantrum.
It's cool if you don't like the announcement. But you could chill out a little bit about it.
Really? Because I was actually laughing at a movie in the background when I typed it. I see no insults, hyperbole, personal attacks, threats, or anything else that implies "tantrum." I guess people will see what they want to see *shrug*
No ... just no. You may be all "I heart this movie that's making me laugh" but that gives you absolutely no right to talk down to me and shrug at people who are not laughing at that background movie. At best your apathy toward my screen reading is socialism.
It's a steaming pile. I say that without any anger, jumping up and down, banging of my keyboard, or insult. That's my opinion. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowledge that differing opinions than your own may be valid. I don't like anything about this announcement. To me, it's a steaming pile. Using a colorful phrase to mean "bad" isn't throwing a tantrum.
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No. Just...no. I get that you may be all "I heart this!" but that gives you no right whatsoever to talk down to people who absolutely don't. At best, it's apathy. In most cases, it's sycophancy.
That last paragraph there reads like you are jumping up and down and banging your keyboard as you typed it. Which is probably why people think you are throwing a tantrum.
It's cool if you don't like the announcement. But you could chill out a little bit about it.
Really? Because I was actually laughing at a movie in the background when I typed it. I see no insults, hyperbole, personal attacks, threats, or anything else that implies "tantrum." I guess people will see what they want to see *shrug*
No ... just no. You may be all "I heart this movie that's making me laugh" but that gives you absolutely no right to talk down to me and shrug at people who are not laughing at that background movie. At best your apathy toward my screen reading is socialism.
I'm sorry you feel I'm somehow talking down to you, if in fact you're not simply being insulting, which is more likely the case. Um, good one? XD
How to open up this game for more possibilities? Temporal Agents providing the overall glue and Missions focused into various Star Trek Franchise Eras - either during, just before, just after, or in between.
The TV Series will be switching between Eras as well.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Excessive in making the much anticipated third expansion essentially only TOS.
Like I said, I get having a special event, or a featured episode or two. But the whole expansion? I'm just bummed because I've been holding out hope for a Cooperative faction for a few years, failing that it would've been nice to see a Cardassian one like the OP said. But TOS? Ok, sure. I'm glad the TOS fans are getting an entire expansion, it still stings everyone who's been patiently calling for a Cardassian or Cooperative expansion.
The exact same thing can be said for a DS9/Cardassian/Dominion "expansion".
It's the 50th anniversary of Star Trek, which all started with TOS. Players should have expected as much.
Players should have expected an entire TOS FED expansion with this anniversary? LOL no. That's closer to clairvoyance than obvious expectation.
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I dont like TOS, but i'll play it anyway, i will buy some ships (modern ones) because i want to, really dont care about KDF and Roms, as i have the same amount on the 3 factions, i like to play a game.. this game.. because its a game in the Trek universe.. but still a game.. i would like more KDFships??, yeah!, of course, but i dont care that much nor think about it..
People wanted a Cardassian Faction? Why so you too can go into every new expansion thread to complain that there are no new Cardy ships?
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People wanted a Cardassian Faction? Why so you too can go into every new expansion thread to complain that there are no new Cardy ships?
why bring that up for? i have not seen any new threads about the cardassians as of yet.
Go back and read the OP
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Doesn't have to be a request thread. The OP's own words:
"Personally, I was really hoping for a Cardassian-themed expansion, with a Cardassian mini-faction and maybe some interesting stuff to do in the Alpha Quadrant besides Defera and the Terran Battlezone."
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Be patient, a year from now you will probably get your wish.
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There are certain people that wish a Cardassian Faction so they can exterminate the Bajorans with their assets.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
It would be difficult to have a whole lot of inter-faction combat in a TOS-themed expansion; between the Treaty of Alpha Trianguli and the Organian Treaty, peace was pretty well imposed across the quadrant. (Under the terms of the Treaty of Alpha Trianguli, even getting close enough to the other side to be seen was an act of war, and punishable by being destroyed by the other side with no support from your own; the Organians simply refused to allow Starfleet and KDF ships to fire on each other at all, using their power to suppress the energies of the weapons.) So really, not a lot of point to either one, in that time period - you'd be bored stiff by not being allowed to fight the Feddybears. (And really, only maybe two or three of you want to have to get into the nitty-gritty details of enslaving entire planetary populations - they're not pretty...)
Dunno why everyone's still responding to sinn - everything he's typed aside from his inflammatory troll cr*p has been a wordier variant on, "U mad, bro?" Not exactly willing to engage in intellectual debate on the merits of the facts there.
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It's a steaming pile. I say that without any anger, jumping up and down, banging of my keyboard, or insult. That's my opinion. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowledge that differing opinions than your own may be valid. I don't like anything about this announcement. To me, it's a steaming pile. Using a colorful phrase to mean "bad" isn't throwing a tantrum.
Why do I call it a steaming pile?
1. This is creating another Federation faction. This is after Geko stated that there will be no more faction-specific content. Logic indicates that this indeed means "no KDF or Romulan specific content, but Federation content doesn't count somehow."
2. There are basically no mentions of anything that isn't straight Federation anything. An aside from a developer buried in a Reddit thread stated much later that 2 of the ships can also be used by non-Federation characters.
3. You must create a new (Starfleet!) character for this Big Announcement we all were waiting for.
4. Instead of acknowledging the obvious shortcomings of the game, they announced something that clearly adds to one of those areas (namely, faction balance).
5. Because we are "jumping to conclusions" based on established track records concerning this very type of thing, we are all wrong. Where do all the "calm down" people go when things like the non-existent KDF/ROM Jupiter equivalent, or the "More ships will be added later in the Delta pack, be patient" end up being exactly as we predicted?
No. Just...no. I get that you may be all "I heart this!" but that gives you no right whatsoever to talk down to people who absolutely don't. At best, it's apathy. In most cases, it's sycophancy.
The expansion is not fed centric, it's TOS centric. And the original series had only a claw full of episodes starring Klingons or Romulans. Sure it would be very nice to have a three faction pocketverse with a battlezone to capture outposts or something like this, but this is STO - how the game works is kinda set in stone.
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Having said that, I understand and sympathize with the heart of the complaint - KDF and Roms are being cast aside for this, and as someone who loves all three factions equally, this makes 2/3 of my heart hurt. The other two factions exist, and we deserve more than just faction-agnostic hand-me-downs written for Feds and hastily edited to vaguely fit KDF/Rom flavor.
I don't know. Maybe there's something, some fact or piece of information we're missing. Something that gives each faction something more than just a token T6 ship. It's still early, we can't say for sure, but as pointed out above, the track record is not filling anyone with hope.
I mean, I still think you're daft for being disappointed in what is otherwise the best idea STO has ever had, but I understand the heart of the problem.
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devs have been fed centric since they launched their game, the kdf and rr were never going to get a look in. so i fail to see at what point it was a surprise. who knows maybe down the line they may have a kdf and romulan addition to this expansion, but i doubt it will be on the level.
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Um....Over half of the ships in that pack are not TOS content. They're a mix of elements from Enterprise and Voyager. I mean, yeah, there's a heavy TOS element to the expansion as a whole, because 50th anniversary, but still.
My expectation is that space barbie is the real extent of this expansion. I reckon 6-8 new missions with temporal patrols to pad it out. Then it'll be going through the usual missions looking for a na'kuhl agent, similar in that respect to the delta derps.
Space barbie is the real endgame.
Some think that everything good about Federation Star Trek simply translates poorly into MMO terms. "I come in peace....zap!"
I really do like Star Trek. My parents made me watch it when I was growing up. All of it. I didn't know Spock wasn't a real person until I was 7. Thing is, the shows and movies are more about character development and morality than anything else. Spectacular character development. Well thought out issues. STO has none of that, and there is no way to come close with a combat focused, linear storyline. After all, who cares if your BOFF dies? You get another off the exchange.
It's mostly a limitation of the medium, and even if Cryptic pulled it off perfectly, it would likely take at least 5x the amount of resources they have.
I never liked the Federation ships. It was:
Starfleet has all the characters you like, somehow able to overcome superior aliens or baffling circumstances to accomplish their goal of peace and exploration. The ships were cheesy, clunky, and awkward looking, but who cares? You saw the people more than the ship anyway.
Klingons, Romulans, etc. had the scary and cool looking ships. You generally saw the ships more than the aliens themselves, sometimes staring at ONLY the ship while [insert captain here] tried figuring out some elaborate plan to fulfill Starfleet's objectives.
If this is a pewpew MMO (it is), having a linear storyline (it does), it makes so much more sense to view it from a warfaring (or sneaky and conniving) species.
I mean, I think it odd it matters WHY I want to enjoy things other than the Federation in this game, but every time I feel pushed to play something I barely enjoy about it, it makes that part of the game (FED side) that much less enjoyable. And, to be fair, this game is geared toward Federation Tactical captains, in cruisers, using FAW builds.
Saying things like "I don't see how anyone with a soul could hate this expansion" is ridiculous, to be honest. So is all of the hate for not wanting to play blue side. That means from you, too, developers speaking on podcasts.
Shouldn't it be enough that different people like different things, and not require this massive wall of text explaining that I'm not the anti[insert deity here] because I feel that way?
I dont hate it, I love most everything Star Trek and TOS is were it all began. I just dislike the fact I have to create yet another toon to play it. The $129.99 doesnt make it any easier. yes I know i can play it without forking out the cash. If I do roll another toon and say good by Deltas, glad we had so much fun with the time travel but sorry, your not invited on this trip. I'm not going to spend that kind of cash just yet until all the news is out on what we can and cannot do for one story arc for one toon.
Again I just hope there is more news, but if there is more to come then the News should had been released all at once.
Well my Seska comment was just a joke. But if I have to be serious for a moment, the Cardassian content in Voyager due to Seska being a returning villain did drag on for quite a bit. And the Cardassian story was tied into the Maquis story in the Trek universe.
And that subplot stuck around Voyager for quite awhile too.
My overall point being, if I have to be serious about this, is that Voyager and TNG had a remarkably similar amount of content with the Cardassian/Maquis focus. The real meat and potatoes of all of that was DS9, obviously. But Voyager was no slouch on pushing onward with Cardassians, considering how far away they actually were from the Beta Quadrant.
That last paragraph there reads like you are jumping up and down and banging your keyboard as you typed it. Which is probably why people think you are throwing a tantrum.
It's cool if you don't like the announcement. But you could chill out a little bit about it.
Really? Because I was actually laughing at a movie in the background when I typed it. I see no insults, hyperbole, personal attacks, threats, or anything else that implies "tantrum." I guess people will see what they want to see *shrug*
No ... just no. You may be all "I heart this movie that's making me laugh" but that gives you absolutely no right to talk down to me and shrug at people who are not laughing at that background movie. At best your apathy toward my screen reading is socialism.
I'm sorry you feel I'm somehow talking down to you, if in fact you're not simply being insulting, which is more likely the case. Um, good one? XD
The TV Series will be switching between Eras as well.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Then slap my butt and call me Obvious!
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Don't you mean ... Obvious?
Thanks for the laughs though you've been thoroughly entertaining. LOL
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why bring that up for? i have not seen any new threads about the cardassians as of yet.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Go back and read the OP
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that is not a request a cardassian thread though.
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"Personally, I was really hoping for a Cardassian-themed expansion, with a Cardassian mini-faction and maybe some interesting stuff to do in the Alpha Quadrant besides Defera and the Terran Battlezone."
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Don't like it? Don't buy it. It's sends a powerful message.
Not happy? Stop logging in. They notice. Really. They do.
They're creating another mini-faction. Hopefully they can polish that skill set and eventually make the mini-faction of your dreams.
Dunno why everyone's still responding to sinn - everything he's typed aside from his inflammatory troll cr*p has been a wordier variant on, "U mad, bro?" Not exactly willing to engage in intellectual debate on the merits of the facts there.