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T1 connie...even in TOS era?

thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
edited May 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
This is not a discussion about the expansion as a whole, just one ship. My question is, why would the connie be a T1 ship in TOS era? I understand being T1 in the year 2410 because of its age, but are we supposed to believe Kirk was flying the weakest ship in it's time period?


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After some time to reflect:

If this new expansion is indeed adding a new faction, it's going to need more ships than what we see in the pack. Those are, presumably, going to be the 'free' versions that everyone who plays the faction has access to(similar to how there are many free options for the current factions).

That being the case, I think(as some others have suggested) the connie will wind up being a free ship, and at a higher level than T1(unless you buy the T1 version). The connie is just TOO iconic to the time period this expansion will be set in for it to be relegated to T1 only.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Wondered about that myself, the tier system they chose is so borked up tho itd be hard to get out of it w/o massive overhauls. The Constitution was the heavy hitter of the era that won the Fed-Klink war, how is this the 'weakest' vessel to be out done by a Daedalus ffs?
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  • jtoon74jtoon74 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    Does seem a bit odd they where the most advaced the bfed had at this point. I've recently been watching TOS again and Connies = big hitters, heavy cruisers, true story.

    If Connies aren't T6 for this period then they shouldn't be included
  • heavensrunheavensrun Member Posts: 215 Arc User
    The ships don't just exist within the confines of the expansion, though. If they make a higher tier connie for the expansion, they have to make it for everywhere, and we're still bound by paramount's (rather arbitrary) edict about higher tier connies.

    I kinda just want to know if the Ranger is going to be upgradable to T5U.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,007 Arc User
    No T5 Connie pig-6.gif !!!

    Seriously though, if this was a separate, TOS era game the constitution would be the top of the line ship, that's true. I guess they just ran into the problem that the ship is already in-game and they wanted to avoid a duplicate, going with alternative designs in the higher tiers. I'm still very curious how this all turns out and how the TOS expansion and the regular 25th century gameplay will mix.​​
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    This is not a discussion about the expansion as a whole, just one ship. My question is, why would the connie be a T1 ship in TOS era? I understand being T1 in the year 2410 because of its age, but are we supposed to believe Kirk was flying the weakest ship in it's time period?

    likely a license issue with CBS, or they have a t5 version ready and are not going to state anything until launch day.. whatever though.
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  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    This is not a discussion about the expansion as a whole, just one ship. My question is, why would the connie be a T1 ship in TOS era? I understand being T1 in the year 2410 because of its age, but are we supposed to believe Kirk was flying the weakest ship in it's time period?

    likely a license issue with CBS, or they have a t5 version ready and are not going to state anything until launch day.. whatever though.

    This. It's entirely possible that the T1 is the pre-refit version and we'll get a TOS-era T5 that just hasn't been announced. Don't get your hopes up, though - and don't expect to see a T5 Connie in 2410.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Hell I dont care if "Fleet t5 constitution" is content locked to the era even but it needs to be the big t6 scimitard of its age.. because... well it WAS
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    This is not a discussion about the expansion as a whole, just one ship. My question is, why would the connie be a T1 ship in TOS era? I understand being T1 in the year 2410 because of its age, but are we supposed to believe Kirk was flying the weakest ship in it's time period?

    Maybe the entire content is capped at level 9; meaning your new 50th Anniversary Captain cannot progress to level 10 at which point he / she can select a T2 ship. That way you cannot select a T2 ship until the TOS content is completed and your captain gets catapulted into the year 2409.

    Or simply accept the fact that the 50th Anniversary Expansion has been shoehorned into the current state of STO where ship tiers can break your immersion.


  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    Yep. The thing to keep in mind about this announcement is that it in no way is going to be all that's coming. They always hold stuff in reserve to keep the hype momentum going up until launch, so getting worked up at this point is kinda pointless. Wait and see what else is coming closer to launch.
  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    The Daedelus is tier 2 too. WTF
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  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    Also this may be near the end of the five year mission and the Connie is getting ready to go back to space dock for refit and these other ships are what was developed while Kirk and company were deployed.

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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    cidstorm wrote: »
    The Daedelus is tier 2 too. WTF

    that ship class is virtually ancient in the ToS era as it is, 80 years old in 2270's.
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  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    I made three characters for when they finally release the connie at end game, I don't want to remake them, I don't have ships to put most of them in. 2 of them are in my group of five mains.

    I don't even want to know what my signature is going to look like after this.
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  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    cidstorm wrote: »
    I made three characters for when they finally release the connie at end game, I don't want to remake them, I don't have ships to put most of them in. 2 of them are in my group of five mains.

    I don't even want to know what my signature is going to look like after this.
    Huh? Why would you make new characters based on something that has repeatedly been said by multiple devs/producers would not be allowed to happen by CBS?
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    jaturnley wrote: »
    cidstorm wrote: »
    I made three characters for when they finally release the connie at end game, I don't want to remake them, I don't have ships to put most of them in. 2 of them are in my group of five mains.

    I don't even want to know what my signature is going to look like after this.
    Huh? Why would you make new characters based on something that has repeatedly been said by multiple devs/producers would not be allowed to happen by CBS?

    it is a possibility there could be a t5 connie in this AoY.
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  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    jaturnley wrote: »
    cidstorm wrote: »
    I made three characters for when they finally release the connie at end game, I don't want to remake them, I don't have ships to put most of them in. 2 of them are in my group of five mains.

    I don't even want to know what my signature is going to look like after this.
    Huh? Why would you make new characters based on something that has repeatedly been said by multiple devs/producers would not be allowed to happen by CBS?

    it is a possibility there could be a t5 connie in this AoY.

    Possibly, yes, but cidsorm said "made characters". We had no way of knowing before the last few weeks that there was a possibility of that happening (heck, we still don't know for sure if CBS is letting it happen). Doing something in expectation of something that is known to be not happening isn't exactly a rational behavior.
  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    The tale of connie validity is long and complicated.
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  • samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    It remains to be seen how this new "faction" will relate to normal Gameplay and characters. It seems like a game within a game to me but we need more information.
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    Yeah, you'd figure some NX Refits and TOS single-nacelled destroyers would be in there.

    The problem in the end, are rights. They would have to pay some rights for alot of the ships we should be seeing.

    But TOS Connie being T1 and Daedalus being T2 is ret@rded.
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  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    welcome2earf wrote: »
    Yeah, you'd figure some NX Refits and TOS single-nacelled destroyers would be in there.

    The problem in the end, are rights. They would have to pay some rights for alot of the ships we should be seeing.

    But TOS Connie being T1 and Daedalus being T2 is ret@rded.

    The Ranger-class definitely owes some of its looks to the "season 4 refit" for the NX-01, but you're right, most of those designs aren't actually owned by CBS, they are still in the wheelhouse of Franz Joseph Designs. It's possible that they could license them (FJD isn't shy at all about doing it), but whether they did it or not remains to be seen.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    This is not a discussion about the expansion as a whole, just one ship. My question is, why would the connie be a T1 ship in TOS era? I understand being T1 in the year 2410 because of its age, but are we supposed to believe Kirk was flying the weakest ship in it's time period?
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    You're not the only one wondering about this. Are they implying Kirk never got past Level 10? ;)

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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    I read this announment as us getting a T6 Connie. :) I know, I know, they didn't literally say that, but the door, at least, seems open. I mean, they say we would be able to fly ships from the era. Would be pretty lame to tease us like that, and then not let it be some sort of era-related Constitution class ship (that looks the part).
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  • samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    The only time Kirk ever got passed level 0 was with women... and even then for reasons unknown.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    crypticarmsman wrote: »
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    This is not a discussion about the expansion as a whole, just one ship. My question is, why would the connie be a T1 ship in TOS era? I understand being T1 in the year 2410 because of its age, but are we supposed to believe Kirk was flying the weakest ship in it's time period?
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    You're not the only one wondering about this. Are they implying Kirk never got past Level 10? ;)
    Or maybe he was that hardcore, flying a T1 ship into endgame battle and still winning.
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  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    saurializard wrote: »
    crypticarmsman wrote: »
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    This is not a discussion about the expansion as a whole, just one ship. My question is, why would the connie be a T1 ship in TOS era? I understand being T1 in the year 2410 because of its age, but are we supposed to believe Kirk was flying the weakest ship in it's time period?
    ^^^
    You're not the only one wondering about this. Are they implying Kirk never got past Level 10? ;)
    Or maybe he was that hardcore, flying a T1 ship into endgame battle and still winning.

    I'm not to sure if Ham Acting is a way to win a fight... :p
  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    tousseau wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    crypticarmsman wrote: »
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    This is not a discussion about the expansion as a whole, just one ship. My question is, why would the connie be a T1 ship in TOS era? I understand being T1 in the year 2410 because of its age, but are we supposed to believe Kirk was flying the weakest ship in it's time period?
    ^^^
    You're not the only one wondering about this. Are they implying Kirk never got past Level 10? ;)
    Or maybe he was that hardcore, flying a T1 ship into endgame battle and still winning.

    I'm not to sure if Ham Acting is a way to win a fight... :p

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  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    it may be that the connie is also available at a higher tier.
    Think, adding the t1 connie requires no development as its already in the game so throwing it in makes sense.
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    Wait in line behind my T6 Norway, Steamrunner, Nova, Yeager, Rhode Island, Sovereign, and Sabre.​​
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