I'm really hoping for Intel seating, as my second favorite fed cruiser I'd really like to have OSS ... it's also a good way to distinguish it from the T6 Odyssey
I too would like intel seating but we're overly saturated with intel ships, I predict Strategic seating, whatever that ends up being.
Strategic is only a secondary. Not a primary like Command and Intel. Before Pilot became a Primary, there were no Pilot abilities for BOffs, and there are not Commando abilities for BOffs now.
I didn't say that the T6 Assault Cruiser would come out tomorrow. The strategic tree will eventually be expanded at which point my prediction could come true.
You're only hypothesizing that at the moment. As it stands, it seems perfectly likely that Strategist will be the Space version of Commando: it will always be Secondary only.
That's possible too. I do also agree with an above poster saying that we could see multiple spec seating for the Sovereign. However, I do believe that strategic will be fully rolled out at some point because space, unlike ground, is what drives this game. Nobody thought pilot would be expanded when it first came out.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Trying not to get annoyed by some of these posts, but it is iritating to see so many players jumping to the conclusion that this Admiralty card = C-store T6 Sovereign in the pipeline.
WRONG. There has been a T6 Rhode Island Admiralty card (given upon completion of the Fed track) since the Admiralty system was introduced. Is there a C-storeT6 Nova/Rhode Island? Nope. I wish there were, but there isn't.
Admiralty card for unreleased C-store ship does NOT = C-store version of same ship by default.
Yes, but there is one HUGE, and I mean HUGE, difference between the Rhode Island and the Sovereign - the RI isn't an Enterprise.
We have T6 versions of every other Enterprise we're going to get (in order: Resolute (B), Guardian (C), Andromeda (D) and Oddy (F)), which leaves one huge E-shaped hole. Given that Cryptic wants to make money out of us, they would be bat-TRIBBLE crazy not to do a T6 Sovvy to complete the set, especially in the 50th Anniversary year.
It is coming, and I firmly believe this Admiralty card is a hint that it's coming sooner rather than later.
I'm really hoping for Intel seating, as my second favorite fed cruiser I'd really like to have OSS ... it's also a good way to distinguish it from the T6 Odyssey
I too would like intel seating but we're overly saturated with intel ships, I predict Strategic seating, whatever that ends up being.
Strategic is only a secondary. Not a primary like Command and Intel. Before Pilot became a Primary, there were no Pilot abilities for BOffs, and there are not Commando abilities for BOffs now.
I didn't say that the T6 Assault Cruiser would come out tomorrow. The strategic tree will eventually be expanded at which point my prediction could come true.
You're only hypothesizing that at the moment. As it stands, it seems perfectly likely that Strategist will be the Space version of Commando: it will always be Secondary only.
That's possible too. I do also agree with an above poster saying that we could see multiple spec seating for the Sovereign.
Highly unlikely. It's more likely than not that the T6 Sovvy will be a C-Store ship (to maximize sales and new player interest, like the other iconic ships all have been). They so far have reserved multi-spec seating for lockbox rarity and above, and there's no reason to assume they will change that pattern before all of the T5 ships have been upgraded to T6 and they have to start dipping fresh from the well for C-Store ships again.
I think a T6 Sovereign is inevitable at this point. The C-Store T5 refit was a big seller. In the age of T6 you still see people flying the T5 Refit, Fleet, and occasionally the Rear Admiral freebee or mirror versions.
Also the multifaction three packs have so far been pretty well received and in terms of gameplay the Sovereign and the Vor'cha Retrofit are basically cross faction versions of each other. As for the Romulan version the Ha'apax matches the Sovy/Vor'cha the closest stat wise but something like the Ha'feh might be a better thematic pick, and almost every three pack has had one ship that isn't quite like the others.
A T6 Sovereign (and anything else released in a pack with it) would also probably be pilot spec because of the manual steering column from Insurrection. This would fill a missing niche in the cruiser lineup and help differentiate it enough to cut off most complaints about it being a "subpar Arbiter class."
Do you think this is a tease for what is to come, or do they list all Legendary Admiralty Ship Cards as T6?
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I thought the same thing, until I remembered that, as of recently, this is demonstrably untrue; the Phoenix replica is both Legendary-quality and not T6 (it's a small craft, and I'm not in game at the moment, but I'll bet it has the usual 5 minute cooldown for a small craft).
Trying not to get annoyed by some of these posts, but it is iritating to see so many players jumping to the conclusion that this Admiralty card = C-store T6 Sovereign in the pipeline.
WRONG. There has been a T6 Rhode Island Admiralty card (given upon completion of the Fed track) since the Admiralty system was introduced. Is there a C-storeT6 Nova/Rhode Island? Nope. I wish there were, but there isn't.
Admiralty card for unreleased C-store ship does NOT = C-store version of same ship by default.
Yes, but there is one HUGE, and I mean HUGE, difference between the Rhode Island and the Sovereign - the RI isn't an Enterprise.
We have T6 versions of every other Enterprise we're going to get (in order: Resolute (B), Guardian (C), Andromeda (D) and Oddy (F)), which leaves one huge E-shaped hole. Given that Cryptic wants to make money out of us, they would be bat-TRIBBLE crazy not to do a T6 Sovvy to complete the set, especially in the 50th Anniversary year.
It is coming, and I firmly believe this Admiralty card is a hint that it's coming sooner rather than later.
If you really believe that the Guardian is a T6 Ambassador, you are as delusional as all those folks who said there would be no T6 Defiant because of the Phantom. There will be an actual T6 Ambassador down the line, you can count on it. Why? Because they can make a crapton of money on it just like all the other iconics.
Trying not to get annoyed by some of these posts, but it is iritating to see so many players jumping to the conclusion that this Admiralty card = C-store T6 Sovereign in the pipeline.
WRONG. There has been a T6 Rhode Island Admiralty card (given upon completion of the Fed track) since the Admiralty system was introduced. Is there a C-storeT6 Nova/Rhode Island? Nope. I wish there were, but there isn't.
Admiralty card for unreleased C-store ship does NOT = C-store version of same ship by default.
Yes, but there is one HUGE, and I mean HUGE, difference between the Rhode Island and the Sovereign - the RI isn't an Enterprise.
We have T6 versions of every other Enterprise we're going to get (in order: Resolute (B), Guardian (C), Andromeda (D) and Oddy (F)), which leaves one huge E-shaped hole. Given that Cryptic wants to make money out of us, they would be bat-TRIBBLE crazy not to do a T6 Sovvy to complete the set, especially in the 50th Anniversary year.
It is coming, and I firmly believe this Admiralty card is a hint that it's coming sooner rather than later.
If you really believe that the Guardian is a T6 Ambassador, you are as delusional as all those folks who said there would be no T6 Defiant because of the Phantom. There will be an actual T6 Ambassador down the line, you can count on it. Why? Because they can make a crapton of money on it just like all the other iconics.
This. The Guardian is too big, its at least 50% more mass. And if that isn't enough, here is a few more reasons why it isn't:
- The console layouts don't match. Fleet T5U Amby has 4 engi, 4 sci and 3 tac vs 5 engi, 3 sci and 3 tac on the Fleet Guardian. (up until now, every T6 Fleet ship had the exact same console allocation as its T5 variant).
- Their boff layouts also differ. The Amby has more tactical officers, the Guardian more engineering.
- The Amby has a better turn rate by 0.5.
That might all sound like minor differences but it is enough to signify that these are 2 similar, yet different ships. There is no T6 Ambassador or re-imagined version of it as of yet, end of story.
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Actually... I don't believe its delusional to consider the Guardian to be related to the Ambassador. Granted she can't use Ambassador parts, the fact remains that the Guardian shares elements with Probert's concept art for the Ambassador class.
Do you think this is a tease for what is to come, or do they list all Legendary Admiralty Ship Cards as T6?
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I thought the same thing, until I remembered that, as of recently, this is demonstrably untrue; the Phoenix replica is both Legendary-quality and not T6 (it's a small craft, and I'm not in game at the moment, but I'll bet it has the usual 5 minute cooldown for a small craft).
I'm mostly excited for that remastered model. The Sovereign Class is by far my favorite of the Enterprise, (Refit Connie is extremely close second), and she deserves an update. They did a fantastic job with the updated Galaxy model, so the Sovereign should look real nice too.
If they are going to do a three pack, it would make more sense to do th Nebula. They already have three packs of T6 cruisers and escorts, so a science ship is more than overdue, plus the mission pod lends to the variation that a three-pack brings.
Trying not to get annoyed by some of these posts, but it is iritating to see so many players jumping to the conclusion that this Admiralty card = C-store T6 Sovereign in the pipeline.
WRONG. There has been a T6 Rhode Island Admiralty card (given upon completion of the Fed track) since the Admiralty system was introduced. Is there a C-storeT6 Nova/Rhode Island? Nope. I wish there were, but there isn't.
Admiralty card for unreleased C-store ship does NOT = C-store version of same ship by default.
Yes, but there is one HUGE, and I mean HUGE, difference between the Rhode Island and the Sovereign - the RI isn't an Enterprise.
We have T6 versions of every other Enterprise we're going to get (in order: Resolute (B), Guardian (C), Andromeda (D) and Oddy (F)), which leaves one huge E-shaped hole. Given that Cryptic wants to make money out of us, they would be bat-TRIBBLE crazy not to do a T6 Sovvy to complete the set, especially in the 50th Anniversary year.
It is coming, and I firmly believe this Admiralty card is a hint that it's coming sooner rather than later.
If you really believe that the Guardian is a T6 Ambassador, you are as delusional as all those folks who said there would be no T6 Defiant because of the Phantom. There will be an actual T6 Ambassador down the line, you can count on it. Why? Because they can make a crapton of money on it just like all the other iconics.
Nobody ever said, only yourself, that there would be no T6 Defiant because of the prior existence of the Phantom. If anything, the Canon ships were a more sure thing to get a T6 transition from the lower tiers. The Phantom fixed every complaint people had with the T5 Defiant at the time and was the successor in playstyle, function. But nobody ever said it WAS the Defiant and its existence would prevent the actual Defiant-class to hit T6.
I'm mostly excited for that remastered model. The Sovereign Class is by far my favorite of the Enterprise, (Refit Connie is extremely close second), and she deserves an update. They did a fantastic job with the updated Galaxy model, so the Sovereign should look real nice too.
I agree the Sovereign Class design needs to be more accurate and it should be the post Nemesis Sovereign design. We were going to see it either at the end of Nemesis or Star Trek 11, which would have been another TNG movie but when they got the news that Nemesis was going to be the last TNG movie it end the way it did. At least the design of the post Nemesis Sovereign class has been done.
I'm mostly excited for that remastered model. The Sovereign Class is by far my favorite of the Enterprise, (Refit Connie is extremely close second), and she deserves an update. They did a fantastic job with the updated Galaxy model, so the Sovereign should look real nice too.
Uuuuh what a fancy lady.
The Sovereign class design has not been touched since STO launch I think? I didn't notice any changes when T5 got out anyway.
T6 Sovereign with TNG-movie authentic Enterprise-E skins. The white & black from First Contact and the grey/blue-grey aztec pattern of Nemesis.
Well... a T6 Sovy would most likely come with a revamped Sovereign model ala Galaxy and almost all the others that got a T6 version. *looks at the lack of updated model for the Excelsior*
My guess is the T6 variant skin will have nacelles similar to the Hestia.
But I'll be using the standard Sovereign skin. ^^
If and when they do make a T6 Sovy... the Lexington's getting yet ANOTHER refit. She started life as a standard Assault Cruiser, got bumped up to Assault Cruiser Refit, got bumped up to T5U, then another bump up to Fleet T5U.
that pretty much summarized my Tactical escort from T5 to fleet T6
Trying not to get annoyed by some of these posts, but it is iritating to see so many players jumping to the conclusion that this Admiralty card = C-store T6 Sovereign in the pipeline.
WRONG. There has been a T6 Rhode Island Admiralty card (given upon completion of the Fed track) since the Admiralty system was introduced. Is there a C-storeT6 Nova/Rhode Island? Nope. I wish there were, but there isn't.
Admiralty card for unreleased C-store ship does NOT = C-store version of same ship by default.
Yes, but there is one HUGE, and I mean HUGE, difference between the Rhode Island and the Sovereign - the RI isn't an Enterprise.
We have T6 versions of every other Enterprise we're going to get (in order: Resolute (B), Guardian (C), Andromeda (D) and Oddy (F)), which leaves one huge E-shaped hole. Given that Cryptic wants to make money out of us, they would be bat-TRIBBLE crazy not to do a T6 Sovvy to complete the set, especially in the 50th Anniversary year.
It is coming, and I firmly believe this Admiralty card is a hint that it's coming sooner rather than later.
If you really believe that the Guardian is a T6 Ambassador, you are as delusional as all those folks who said there would be no T6 Defiant because of the Phantom. There will be an actual T6 Ambassador down the line, you can count on it. Why? Because they can make a crapton of money on it just like all the other iconics.
Nobody ever said, only yourself, that there would be no T6 Defiant because of the prior existence of the Phantom. If anything, the Canon ships were a more sure thing to get a T6 transition from the lower tiers. The Phantom fixed every complaint people had with the T5 Defiant at the time and was the successor in playstyle, function. But nobody ever said it WAS the Defiant and its existence would prevent the actual Defiant-class to hit T6.
Just you.
DUDE. Do you never read the forums or go into public chat, or TTS, or pub service? EVERY TIME someone brought up the T6 defiant before it was announced the "the Phantom IS the T6 Defiant" people would leap from the shadows and spam them. I have no idea what your problem is, but you need to get a clue before you post aggressive TRIBBLE like that.
That's possible too. I do also agree with an above poster saying that we could see multiple spec seating for the Sovereign. However, I do believe that strategic will be fully rolled out at some point because space, unlike ground, is what drives this game. Nobody thought pilot would be expanded when it first came out.
Nope; there will be MANY disappointed players when a T6 Assualt Cruiser does come because, like every other T6 rework of a canon ship, neither the C-store nor the Fleet version will be as good as whatever three-pack C-store alternative exists by that time.
It'll be exactly the same thing as happened with the Andromedia/Hestia/Valiant classes. And rage will ensue.
This. The T6 Sovvy will be the exact same as every other T6 upgrade - same layout as the T5U/Fleet T5U but with slightly different BOFF layout. If people aren't happy with the Sovvy as is, they will remain unhappy with the T6.
. The T6 Sovvy will be the exact same as every other T6 upgrade - same layout as the T5U/Fleet T5U but with slightly different BOFF layout. If people aren't happy with the Sovvy as is, they will remain unhappy with the T6.
I'm glad some people realize this. Unless the T6 Sovereign is used as the launch ship for a new specialization, it will be a total dud. The layout of the Assault Cruiser Refit is disappointing to put it mildly. The T6 variant will be based on that same horrible BoFF seating and therefore will be a big disappointment. It's going to be the same thing only with one station being a hybrid specialization station. Their only hope for a big sale will be giving it a godly trait that everyone wants.
You're going to be highly disappointed I'm afraid.
It's fascinating people still don't understand the rules of ship tier transition or even what specialist ships are and why the Andromeda did not get a commander command hybrid...
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I'm glad some people realize this. Unless the T6 Sovereign is used as the launch ship for a new specialization, it will be a total dud. The layout of the Assault Cruiser Refit is disappointing to put it mildly. The T6 variant will be based on that same horrible BoFF seating and therefore will be a big disappointment. It's going to be the same thing only with one station being a hybrid specialization station. Their only hope for a big sale will be giving it a godly trait that everyone wants.
The T6 versions have had seats converted to universal before, if I'm not mistaken. If the Lt Eng is converted to a universal, and one of the Lt seats upgraded to LtC, it wouldn't be terrible.
I'm mostly excited for that remastered model. The Sovereign Class is by far my favorite of the Enterprise, (Refit Connie is extremely close second), and she deserves an update. They did a fantastic job with the updated Galaxy model, so the Sovereign should look real nice too.
Uuuuh what a fancy lady.
The Sovereign class design has not been touched since STO launch I think? I didn't notice any changes when T5 got out anyway.
Sovereign's been updated three times since launch. All very public, and very well received as the artist at that time worked with a lot of community given feedback to get it improved. I was most happy with the work as it was able to give the ship the yellow colored deflector instead of the standard blue deflector that it launched with.
Then a week later I got my Aegis set complete and my deflector visuals changed anyways! hah.
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Well, they're not going to sell me an Arbiter, where they might sell me an FT6 Sovereign, so it definitely is relevant to whether or not they want me to buy a new cruiser...
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Yes, but there is one HUGE, and I mean HUGE, difference between the Rhode Island and the Sovereign - the RI isn't an Enterprise.
We have T6 versions of every other Enterprise we're going to get (in order: Resolute (B), Guardian (C), Andromeda (D) and Oddy (F)), which leaves one huge E-shaped hole. Given that Cryptic wants to make money out of us, they would be bat-TRIBBLE crazy not to do a T6 Sovvy to complete the set, especially in the 50th Anniversary year.
It is coming, and I firmly believe this Admiralty card is a hint that it's coming sooner rather than later.
Also the multifaction three packs have so far been pretty well received and in terms of gameplay the Sovereign and the Vor'cha Retrofit are basically cross faction versions of each other. As for the Romulan version the Ha'apax matches the Sovy/Vor'cha the closest stat wise but something like the Ha'feh might be a better thematic pick, and almost every three pack has had one ship that isn't quite like the others.
A T6 Sovereign (and anything else released in a pack with it) would also probably be pilot spec because of the manual steering column from Insurrection. This would fill a missing niche in the cruiser lineup and help differentiate it enough to cut off most complaints about it being a "subpar Arbiter class."
with a nice big rack and a nice round aft section and.....wait i think im taking about the wrong connie O.o
I thought the same thing, until I remembered that, as of recently, this is demonstrably untrue; the Phoenix replica is both Legendary-quality and not T6 (it's a small craft, and I'm not in game at the moment, but I'll bet it has the usual 5 minute cooldown for a small craft).
If you really believe that the Guardian is a T6 Ambassador, you are as delusional as all those folks who said there would be no T6 Defiant because of the Phantom. There will be an actual T6 Ambassador down the line, you can count on it. Why? Because they can make a crapton of money on it just like all the other iconics.
This. The Guardian is too big, its at least 50% more mass. And if that isn't enough, here is a few more reasons why it isn't:
- The console layouts don't match. Fleet T5U Amby has 4 engi, 4 sci and 3 tac vs 5 engi, 3 sci and 3 tac on the Fleet Guardian. (up until now, every T6 Fleet ship had the exact same console allocation as its T5 variant).
- Their boff layouts also differ. The Amby has more tactical officers, the Guardian more engineering.
- The Amby has a better turn rate by 0.5.
That might all sound like minor differences but it is enough to signify that these are 2 similar, yet different ships. There is no T6 Ambassador or re-imagined version of it as of yet, end of story.
"Let them eat static!"
Probet Ambassador render:
STO Guardian class:
Did you just call my ship fat? Damn man, that's harsh. Fat shaming a cruiser!
Nobody ever said, only yourself, that there would be no T6 Defiant because of the prior existence of the Phantom. If anything, the Canon ships were a more sure thing to get a T6 transition from the lower tiers. The Phantom fixed every complaint people had with the T5 Defiant at the time and was the successor in playstyle, function. But nobody ever said it WAS the Defiant and its existence would prevent the actual Defiant-class to hit T6.
Just you.
I agree the Sovereign Class design needs to be more accurate and it should be the post Nemesis Sovereign design. We were going to see it either at the end of Nemesis or Star Trek 11, which would have been another TNG movie but when they got the news that Nemesis was going to be the last TNG movie it end the way it did. At least the design of the post Nemesis Sovereign class has been done.
Uuuuh what a fancy lady.
The Sovereign class design has not been touched since STO launch I think? I didn't notice any changes when T5 got out anyway.
DUDE. Do you never read the forums or go into public chat, or TTS, or pub service? EVERY TIME someone brought up the T6 defiant before it was announced the "the Phantom IS the T6 Defiant" people would leap from the shadows and spam them. I have no idea what your problem is, but you need to get a clue before you post aggressive TRIBBLE like that.
This. The T6 Sovvy will be the exact same as every other T6 upgrade - same layout as the T5U/Fleet T5U but with slightly different BOFF layout. If people aren't happy with the Sovvy as is, they will remain unhappy with the T6.
I'm glad some people realize this. Unless the T6 Sovereign is used as the launch ship for a new specialization, it will be a total dud. The layout of the Assault Cruiser Refit is disappointing to put it mildly. The T6 variant will be based on that same horrible BoFF seating and therefore will be a big disappointment. It's going to be the same thing only with one station being a hybrid specialization station. Their only hope for a big sale will be giving it a godly trait that everyone wants.
You're going to be highly disappointed I'm afraid.
It's fascinating people still don't understand the rules of ship tier transition or even what specialist ships are and why the Andromeda did not get a commander command hybrid...
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The T6 versions have had seats converted to universal before, if I'm not mistaken. If the Lt Eng is converted to a universal, and one of the Lt seats upgraded to LtC, it wouldn't be terrible.
Sovereign's been updated three times since launch. All very public, and very well received as the artist at that time worked with a lot of community given feedback to get it improved. I was most happy with the work as it was able to give the ship the yellow colored deflector instead of the standard blue deflector that it launched with.
Then a week later I got my Aegis set complete and my deflector visuals changed anyways! hah.
As a Cruiser, the Sovy WILL NOT be getting a Commander Tac slot. She will be more tactical oriented like the Refit, but not outright Escort level tac.
I'll be happy if she has a Guardian BOff setup. Plenty of punch while maintaining some survivability.
Consoles:
5 Eng, 2 Sci, 4 Tac
BO slots:
1 x Cmdr Eng, 1 x Ltc Tac, 1x Ltc Uni, 1x Lt Eng, 1x Ens Tac.
Give me that 5th Eng slot and bump the Uni BO to Ltc, and I'll fly it.