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Na'kuhl to be new foe in Star Trek Beyond?
wyatt
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OK, I've seen the ST: Beyond Trailer and, unlike some Trekkies, liked it. And, I also noticed what the new bad guys look like of course, however, I think, not just by physical standards/looks, the Na'kuhl may be the new enemy for our crew. Now, I think this because in the STO News, I read one of the log entries posted by Cryptic, and from what I piece together, the Na'kuhl are also using Time Travel to stop the Enterprise(s) (unclear which one it is for me), and I think the JJPrise may be one of those ships, maybe they somehow use a similar trick that the Narada used perhaps. Now, I don't care if you call me crazy, but maybe try to give a thought about it, after all, Spock did say: "There are always possibilities." didn't he?
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I personally don't think it will be thus.
But, ya never know.
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First off, STO is set in a branch of the Prime universe, meaning the JJ-Prise never existed and vulcan still exists...
Would make no sense at all that the Na'kuhl would interfere with that timeline, as it would affect nothing in ours.
Secondly, STO is under CBS control, where JJ-verse is under Paramount control and those diverged just before the Nerada went through the black hole... Neither wants to share.
Basically, the legal stuff that had to be pulled out of the hat is not worth the effort for a game, that may or may not break down next year (let's be serious... No one can tell if this game runs a year from now or not)...
I buy your first point, but not your second.
The Na'khul were introduced in Enterprise, which would seem to be fair game for a JJ-verse spin on that race as the series (-2005) predates the movie (2009). I could be wrong, but one might easily argue that Archer and the NX and many of the Temporal Cold War events happened in both universes. Or they might not. Only Paramount knows for sure...
Now if you're arguing that the JJ-verse Enterprise 1701 will never appear in STO, I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point, too. Sounded like you were saying the Na'khul could never appear in the JJ-verse.
The bad guy aliens do have some similarities between them and the Na'kuhl but they are definitely different enough to be their own species. Its interesting that the episode we're introduced to the Na'kuhl has them in TRIBBLE uniforms....Id wager it was some artistic choice to make them as Demon like as possible because of this. Its possible this ST:B aliens have been given a very Demon like appearance for similar reasons. To make it painfully obvious to the audience to hate them and recognize them as the bad guys.
I think stobg makes a decent counter debate to your one point. I wanted to attempt to make a decent counter to the quoted point. With a new Trek tv series in the works I think the long-standing separation between Paramount and CBS on Trek properties isn't as set in stone as we've been accustomed to suggesting it is on these forums in previously "frequently" discussed threads on other topics.
In short, I think the new tv series may create more opportunity for cooperation between the movie folks and the tv folks and the IP as a whole.
Just a thought.
I must have been drunk (and I am 16 years sober) did JJ Trek try to do the Cat folk and fail-boat at it?
Man blink and you miss their cameos given I have loved the Caitians since ST-TAS.
I think the game will be here in a year, I hope the new JJ Trek sucks less than ST-Out of Derpness, and please please please don't SJW the new Trek series into stupidity out of the gate PTB.
Caitians for the win.
One thing JJ Trek could(should?) do is introduce Aircraft Carriers to the Film/TV ST canon.
Jupiter Class for the winz.
Awesome...(not)
*sigh*
Didn't even realize that is what they were going for....gonna fire up the popcorn popper and rewatch the films I guess.
Andorians, why do the Andorians never get any love either?
Pretty sure they've used Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans and Orions all in the new films.
cause their not sexy blue chicks with in universe excuse for all being female?
or cause klingons are better proud warrior race guys/gals?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Only b/c the PTB got weird and decided "the Klingons need a total retcon baby!"
The Andorians have a lot of potential.
well the totally perfect pacifist mary sues of the fedaration don't think to highly of, well anyone, but even less so for warriors. it is rather natural that their proud warrior race guys/gals would be sidelined.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
No he didn't. He had some cat-girls (not uncommon in ST) and people just assumed they were Caitians because of tails and pointed ears and now use it of proof of JJ ruining existing races despite the faithful recreations of Vulcans, Klingons, and Romulans in the films.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Generations introduced a new alien villian, First Contact only works because the Borg was rewritten in a way it had nothing in common with the show Borg any more, Insurrection gave us two obscure aliens never heard of again and Nemesis, while having a somewhat Romulan focus, needed a not-really-Romulan villian and gave us "Remans" for ugly purple orc cannon fodder mooks which were never mentioned before or after again.
The new films are a split between new aliens and extensive rewrites.
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To me, that's a good thing. It shows at least some imagination even if the stories seem like rehashes.
Technically their appearance in ENT is both a before and after appearance for the Remans
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It is being developed completely by CBS's television team, for television, by people who have experience in television. Currently as it stands, Kurtzman and his JJ cronie are just putting up production funds, hoping to make a killing. All the real work has been given to Bryan Fuller, who is the "show-runner" and now chief producer. He also has experience writing for DS9 and VOY.
Fuller has even taken the step of bringing in Nicolas Meyer, who made Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country, as a writer and creative consultant. That gives me hope that at least the villans of the series will be decent, be they established races or something completely new.
CBS has also confirmed that its an entirely new crew, which more than likely spells the end of the JJ-abortion. But it is a new era, if they try like so many others to chase the new audience while abandoning the old, the series will be over in short fashion.
Only "after", I strictly go by production date and seldom if ever accept retcons, basically every attempted retcon creates a new timeline in my opinion, otherwise you cannot explain inconsistensies and scre-ups at all
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I don't know if I would call it completely faithful...Vulcans and Romulans has bulbous sized ears...and the Klingons...just never looked or felt very Klingon except for being aggressive and having some ridges.
Both had a tiny modification to their races makeup, the Romulans lost the ridges (reverting to a TOS appearance) and gained a Roman nose. The Klingons (or rather the one of him unmasked) got a new, smother, ridge effect, more similar to the minamilist Klingons of TUC rather than the more reptilian ones of TMP.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I don't know...to me personally they just look out of place...like they look fake to me new because they look oversized compared to every other trek version, including TOS. Like they're trying to hard not to look like space elf ears...just like they were trying to hard to make Star Trek into another generic piece of mindless action.
Yea... I am going to agree with you to a certain degree here, after all... but still...
What a load of rubbish.
The Undiscovered Country, is more terrible than any JJ film, so i don't know why you are namedroppnig it in the mix like we should be looking forward to more of the same.
The problem is a lot of trek fans are just odd. They are obsessed with some unknown quantity in their tastes that normal people can't fathom.
Hence why star trek was classed as extremely nerdy until the latest JJ movies, which have done more to keep Star Trek alive than anything else in the last 20 years.
Now that JJ trek has made trek stuff more current and potentially more popular with ordinary people (the majority), all the uber nerds(the stark minority) think its a travesty.
I can tell you one thing right now, with certainty. If JJ trek hadn't happened, Star Trek would be dead and buried beyond this game, after what happened with Enterprise. If you doubt that, you are deluded into think people like you, who love old style, mind meld loving, feeling discussing, arty farty TRIBBLE, are anything other than a very small minority.
Minorities, even very passionate ones, don't, and never will keep franchises alive. Go ask Firefly or Space: Above and Beyond.
Also, slate JJ all you like, but in less than a decade, he has modernised and revitalised, the two biggest science fiction franchises known to man. Yet all the hardcore and weird star trek fans make him out to be a failure, and needlessly go on and on about lens flare.
I think i know who knows more about making movies and continuing franchises thanks. The guy who has actually done it. Twice. Or, some strange people on the forums.
No contest thanks.