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New Rom T6 Flagships.. No Thalaron Style Weapon Deployment?

qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
edited February 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
So we have this lovely new aesthetic, styled on the Reman ship, but with the Romulan makeover.. I like lots. but there doesnt appear to be any mention of a super weapon deployment.. is this an over site or does 1 not exist? if not, why the sectioned wings? i must confess it was the look of the older Scimitar that put me off owning them, the new model yes i want, but to be left without the super duper wing opening uber weapon of pwnage.. that may actually put me back on the fence.​​
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  • qweeble#7491 qweeble
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    The consoles from the original bundle are compatible with the new vessels -- and thus, the thalaron weapon.
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  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    OP,

    If you look at the underneath part. It doesnt look detailed and no obvious spot where the wings would open so. Nada. Other then the ship has no sigificant upgrade. Get or keep the T5 version and upgrade that.
  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    unless you planned to ditch the new consoles, having the old ones on enougth to use the weapon would mean you would have 6 consoles on your ship.
    that leaves little room for ones that boost your weapon power/hull/science.
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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    qziqza wrote: »
    So we have this lovely new aesthetic, styled on the Reman ship, but with the Romulan makeover.. I like lots. but there doesnt appear to be any mention of a super weapon deployment.. is this an over site or does 1 not exist? if not, why the sectioned wings? i must confess it was the look of the older Scimitar that put me off owning them, the new model yes i want, but to be left without the super duper wing opening uber weapon of pwnage.. that may actually put me back on the fence.​​

    Considering the new ships are simply upgraded/refit versions of the older trio, it can be inferred that the old flagship console sets will be operable on the new ones. They are still the same "family" of ships, after all.
    Case in point: looking at the underside of the Sojourner's saucer, you can clearly see that, despite the rounded shape of the saucer itself, the part of the neck where the Secondary Hull connects to it is still a clear and sharp chevron shape, to indicate compatibility with other saucer styles when it separates.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    vivenneanthony wrote: »
    OP,

    If you look at the underneath part. It doesnt look detailed and no obvious spot where the wings would open so. Nada. Other then the ship has no sigificant upgrade. Get or keep the T5 version and upgrade that.

    I guess your reading skills aren't up to snuff...
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  • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    Thalaron weapons are illegal, btw, and would probably cause a rift/war with the other alliance members should the Romulan Republic's FLAGSHIP be using one. Bad enough we use cloaks... lol
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  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    Sorceror

    I agree. I looked at the underside of the pics they gave. Not one have wings extended or upswept. So I guess the Tharalon to be more beam effect removing the Scimitar upswept aggressive wings.

    At least we know the T6 is a token upgrade. So, the T5U version will remain king even longer
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    Goodness, you people can't even read the first reply in this thread?
    captjamjamz wrote: »
    The consoles from the original bundle are compatible with the new vessels -- and thus, the thalaron weapon.

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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    Goodness, you people can't even read the first reply in this thread?
    captjamjamz wrote: »
    The consoles from the original bundle are compatible with the new vessels -- and thus, the thalaron weapon.
    I know right?
  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    Warmaker

    My reading skills is fine. My opinion after looking at the pictures it doesnt look like the wings can upswept.
  • solidshark214solidshark214 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    vivenneanthony wrote: »
    Warmaker

    My reading skills is fine. My opinion after looking at the pictures it doesnt look like the wings can upswept.

    Take another look: the wings look like they're in several layers. The lowermost might not up-sweep, but it sure looks like the upper layers can.
  • crypticspartan#0627 crypticspartan
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    The wings move.
  • stumpfgobsstumpfgobs Member Posts: 297 Arc User
    crypticspartan#0627 wrote: »
    The wings move.

    Famous last words. >:)
  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Ok. Big upswept and lots of Thalaron.
  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    Not impressed, needs more thaloron!
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  • qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    aliguana wrote: »
    Thalaron weapons are illegal, btw, and would probably cause a rift/war with the other alliance members should the Romulan Republic's FLAGSHIP be using one. Bad enough we use cloaks... lol
    that i understand.. but i did say 'thalaron style' weapon deployment.. as in the mechanism more than anything esle.. pretty much the key factor of the original ship design, and the reason for the wing type :D​​
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  • qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    captjamjamz wrote: »
    The consoles from the original bundle are compatible with the new vessels -- and thus, the thalaron weapon.
    so basically we need to own the old ships, in order to make the new ships, do what that design feature is for? is that not a little.. i dont know.. tight? if the wing deployment isn't a feature of the new ships without the old consoles, does that not make it superfluous on the new ships? i wonder how many players are going to be upset with their purchase of these ships when find out they won't do what it looks like they rightfully should, out of their own 3 pack?​​
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  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    I would have thought the new console set would provide a suped-up version of the weapon, like the T6 Vet Ship's do. But I guess the Hestia and the Pathfinder could not transform without the old ship consoles neither.
  • qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    jslyn wrote: »
    I would have thought the new console set would provide a suped-up version of the weapon, like the T6 Vet Ship's do. But I guess the Hestia and the Pathfinder could not transform without the old ship consoles neither.
    yeah there is truth in that, although to be fair, they are individual ships requiring just a single console.. this is like a 3 pack requiring another 3 pack, requiring 3 modules on top of the 3/4 modules the ship set works with... that is a lot of consoles to get full functionality out of a single ship lol​​
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    People should be asking for it not to use Thalaron weapons, not the other way. They are illegal after all.
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  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    Lol. No. We want more Thalaron. Heck. Throw in some built in Borg tech. 10% nanite damage to all weapons damage output. Since the Romulans was playing with Borg tech.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    qziqza wrote: »
    captjamjamz wrote: »
    The consoles from the original bundle are compatible with the new vessels -- and thus, the thalaron weapon.
    so basically we need to own the old ships, in order to make the new ships, do what that design feature is for? is that not a little.. i dont know.. tight? if the wing deployment isn't a feature of the new ships without the old consoles, does that not make it superfluous on the new ships? i wonder how many players are going to be upset with their purchase of these ships when find out they won't do what it looks like they rightfully should, out of their own 3 pack?​​

    Dude, how many ships in this game at different tiers come with the lower tiered ship's console? Seriously.

    And the wings move, as per:
    crypticspartan#0627 wrote: »
    The wings move.

    Do people not read? I can give anyone a pass if this was some mega-thread of a crazy amount of pages. But we're only on ONE page and people can't even take note of the dev posts negating the worries here???
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    *starts scratching some of the white out off the screen...*
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    qziqza wrote: »
    yeah there is truth in that, although to be fair, they are individual ships requiring just a single console.. this is like a 3 pack requiring another 3 pack, requiring 3 modules on top of the 3/4 modules the ship set works with... that is a lot of consoles to get full functionality out of a single ship lol​​


    I hear you. It would be more of a flavor ship than anything else. But yes, that is a lot of ships to purchase for a single gun.

  • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    i was looking at the console slots earlier, and thing is, it's going to be hard enough fitting everything on as it is, without bringing over the T5 consoles as well, just to have a thalaron weapon (that looked cool, and was canon-y, but was pretty useless really). Seriously, I'd rather fit a bunch of consoles that actually made the ship useful, than a bunch that made it a pretty sitting-duck.

    As has been said, the option is there if you want to use it. I won't be.
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  • qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    qziqza wrote: »
    captjamjamz wrote: »
    The consoles from the original bundle are compatible with the new vessels -- and thus, the thalaron weapon.
    so basically we need to own the old ships, in order to make the new ships, do what that design feature is for? is that not a little.. i dont know.. tight? if the wing deployment isn't a feature of the new ships without the old consoles, does that not make it superfluous on the new ships? i wonder how many players are going to be upset with their purchase of these ships when find out they won't do what it looks like they rightfully should, out of their own 3 pack?

    Dude, how many ships in this game at different tiers come with the lower tiered ship's console? Seriously.

    And the wings move, as per:
    crypticspartan#0627 wrote: »
    The wings move.

    Do people not read? I can give anyone a pass if this was some mega-thread of a crazy amount of pages. But we're only on ONE page and people can't even take note of the dev posts negating the worries here???

    maybe.. but all we have is a dev post stating that the you can use the old consoles, and then a post confirming the wings move.. is that not 2 in the same thing? further, if you look at the description for the new ships, you will note that all the console bonuses and set bonuses are passives.. passives.. so where exactly in that can you see a wing deployment?

    so, as my post above said.. in essence we will need 7 consoles to have a fully functional ship with its signature move.. 7. in this case it isn't just a matter of a Romulan overhaul to the old ship, it is a totally different ship altogether that just happens to look like the old scimitar. and if that is the case, why include the wing design at all, or allow the older consoles to be used in it? so is it a scimitar or isn't it?

    i could understand this if we were talking a single ship with a single console to get the benefit.. like saucer separation, cloak, or multi vector, but if this is the way it is.. it is just all kinds of wrong.​​
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    So when Gary Mitchell recited that poem in 'Where No Man Has Gone Before':

    'My love has wings. Slender, feathered things with grace in upswept curve and tapered tip.'

    He was really speaking about the T6 Scimitar? ;)
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  • qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    ltminns wrote: »
    So when Gary Mitchell recited that poem in 'Where No Man Has Gone Before':

    'My love has wings. Slender, feathered things with grace in upswept curve and tapered tip.'

    He was really speaking about the T6 Scimitar? ;)

    yeah, and im guessing the part about hitting you hard, knocking the wind out of your sails, whilst also leaving you bereft of any sense, totally disoriented, and with the predominant thought of 'what the hell just happened to me?' was sub-textual ? :dizzy:​​
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    qziqza wrote: »
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    qziqza wrote: »
    captjamjamz wrote: »
    The consoles from the original bundle are compatible with the new vessels -- and thus, the thalaron weapon.
    so basically we need to own the old ships, in order to make the new ships, do what that design feature is for? is that not a little.. i dont know.. tight? if the wing deployment isn't a feature of the new ships without the old consoles, does that not make it superfluous on the new ships? i wonder how many players are going to be upset with their purchase of these ships when find out they won't do what it looks like they rightfully should, out of their own 3 pack?

    Dude, how many ships in this game at different tiers come with the lower tiered ship's console? Seriously.

    And the wings move, as per:
    crypticspartan#0627 wrote: »
    The wings move.

    Do people not read? I can give anyone a pass if this was some mega-thread of a crazy amount of pages. But we're only on ONE page and people can't even take note of the dev posts negating the worries here???

    maybe.. but all we have is a dev post stating that the you can use the old consoles, and then a post confirming the wings move.. is that not 2 in the same thing? further, if you look at the description for the new ships, you will note that all the console bonuses and set bonuses are passives.. passives.. so where exactly in that can you see a wing deployment?

    so, as my post above said.. in essence we will need 7 consoles to have a fully functional ship with its signature move.. 7. in this case it isn't just a matter of a Romulan overhaul to the old ship, it is a totally different ship altogether that just happens to look like the old scimitar. and if that is the case, why include the wing design at all, or allow the older consoles to be used in it? so is it a scimitar or isn't it?

    i could understand this if we were talking a single ship with a single console to get the benefit.. like saucer separation, cloak, or multi vector, but if this is the way it is.. it is just all kinds of wrong.​​

    Losing console slots for the sake of gimmicks is what you pay to have said gimmicks. If the Galaxy-X player wanted the "full works" of said ship, they had to give up console slots. If the Defiant player wanted "the full works" which now includes Battle Cloaks, they had to give up equipment & console slots to do it. If the T'Varo player wanted "the full works" for his T'Varo, he definitely is giving up slots to get it.

    There is a price to be paid if you want gimmicks and that that price has been well known long before T6 even existed. No ship is an exception.
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  • semalda226semalda226 Member Posts: 1,994 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Why do people keeping saying it's 7 consoles to use thalaron... the console set bonus isn't even that good let alone the consoles. You only need the 3 from.the T5 scims to use a Thalaron (and no you don't have to sacrifice PrtG for it my T5-U Tulwar runs 420 PrtG)
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