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D'tan Romulan Traitor![spoilers]
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Fellow Romulans we've been betrayed! Everything we've done is for nothing!
I've been to the future...D'tan , Spock's brain washed pet , succeeds in turning the Romulan Republic into a federation puppet state. If we don't act soon the Romulans people will be nothing more the than 2.0 versions of Vulcans!
We must stop D'tan and Cryptic at all cost before Romulans become the biggest joke since Frengi.
Joking aside I'm really disappointed with this turn of events cryptic please don't make Romulans into Vulcans.
If you don't know what I'm talking about it's confirmed in the time and tide episode that the Romulans join the Federation.
Fellow Romulans we've been betrayed! Everything we've done is for nothing!
I've been to the future...D'tan , Spock's brain washed pet , succeeds in turning the Romulan Republic into a federation puppet state. If we don't act soon the Romulans people will be nothing more the than 2.0 versions of Vulcans!
We must stop D'tan and Cryptic at all cost before Romulans become the biggest joke since Frengi.
Joking aside I'm really disappointed with this turn of events cryptic please don't make Romulans into Vulcans.
If you don't know what I'm talking about it's confirmed in the time and tide episode that the Romulans join the Federation.
The Lobi Crystals are Faaaakkkkee!
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Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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[ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
Maybe he was/will be exed off and some other dude will start/started making him out as some kind of martyr to push the joining even harder than D'tan would have/did.
Though that the lady still identifies herself as "romulan" in that conversation may mean they didn't go through with that BS unification project D'tan had/has/will have (chronical temporal headache approaching
That's it I'm finding a timeline where the Romulans are still Romulans , to Gre'thor with the Temporal Accords!
"The Federation is no more than a homo sapiens only club."Azetbur Chancellor of the Klingon Council
"In any case we know where this is leading. The annihilation of our culture." Brigadier General Kerla
True but he mentions on several occasions for his wish for reunification into Vulcan society and the Federation. It's pretty easy to put two and two together that he's the main player in this diabolical plot against the Romulan people.
What do you take me for a Klingon of course I could see D'tan was a poor leader. Though now we know we know he succeeds in destroying us not through weapons of war but promises of peace.
Perhaps you should take a moment and wonder that maybe, just maybe, the Romulans in the future might have really good reasons for it that you aren't privy to, being that, you know, it hasn't happened yet?
Sorry for expressing my disappointment in Cryptic for taking one of the big three factions and turning them into space hobos. I'm sure the Federation players would handle Star fleet becoming part of the Klingon Empire much better.
Look on the bright side, maybe the Romulan's unseat the humans as the prime race in the UFP, and manage to win the seat of President of the UFP as well, which obviously could happen on and off, but really the UFP really could use the help of the Romulan's.
[ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
I mean i sorta get it given a couple hundred years down the road the galactic political landscape is probably very different. It possibly started as trade agreements that grew closer knit. I dunno though.
I'm mostly just concerned that as an above poster put forward, human supremacy overwriting local cultures. I mean sure the romulan suspicion of everyone and having a knife hidden isn't healthy, but there's still a couple millinia of romulan culture I want preserved as it's distinct from vulcan culture, and frankly the vulcans are not masters of their emotion but more afraid of them by and large. (there are exceptions. Tuvok always struck me as mindful of his emotions rather than bottling them up out of fear.)
Heck, even that future Klingon Federation ambassador still seems to think in terms of honor.
Maybe the idea of mutual cooperation is not all that special and not a human ideal. Maybe it's more that every civilization and culture will naturally evolve this position, because otherwise it doesn't become a civilization or culture.
But here is the thing: Culture isn't a static thing. It changes.
If the Romulan people realize that it's silly to constantly fight its neighbors and that they refuse cooperation with the Vulcans because of something that happened centuries or millenia ago, why should they be stopped? To preserve their culture? Why is that culture more worthy of preservation than the culture they had before they left Vulcan? If it isn't, was leaving Vulcan already a mistake?
Eddington was still quite wrong.
The Borg and the Federation are different. The Borg eradicate your culture and your free will. The Federation offers membership, it doesn't demand it. People join because they want to.
And if you join, you still enjoy your free will. Yes, people in the Federation might often not understand why someone would leave, but they are not stopping them. You need to do a bit more (like performing terrorist strikes) to get into actual trouble with them.
Edit: Which isnt a bad idea, I want my Rom to fly some fed BC's. Same for my KDF.
Currently Im operating under the assumption they went out of their way to NOT fix the Na'kuhl sun so they'd have some "conflict" to keep the Klingons, Gorn, and other militant races from breaking away out of sheer boredom
The Federation doesn't eliminate species cultures if you think that then you and i watched a very different star trek.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
"Difficult to see, the future is. Always in motion."
Consider this: Most of Star Trek's writers, and those of the games based upon it, portray Time as something linear. I think every time you come to a decision point, the time line branches. How certain are we the Republic and the Empire do join the Federation? Because of a few hacks who wouldn't know quality science fiction writing if it bit them on the posterior in braod daylight in front of witnesses, we're making assumptions. Dangerous thing to do. I have played time travel stories in the Foundry which are far far better than the 'Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya!' drivel in Time and Tide.
But in game there are other things to answer to. Such as productions costs and manhours spent. Cryptic wants to get the most bang for their buck. Consolidating all of the factions into one big happy family is the fastest and easiest way to do so. It does not require imagination nor boldness and it is cheaper.
BTW, I think Noye is right about the Federation. Which somehow always finds a way to create its own worst enemies. For this reason alone, any sensible Klingon or Romulan would run away from the Feds as fast as they can. Or fight to the last man.
Seconded.
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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Sure, the Republic joins the Federation in the future - Federation v2.0, built in part by the Republic.
It ain't all black and white, folks.
I swear.. the things people do when they need fast allies.
That's far to extreme for Cryptic's writers to implement
lol, true. And I doubt they'd have the liberty to mess with the Feds that deeply.
I doubt we'll get much more than the passing 'we joined the Federation' explanation anyways.
Enterprise J->Future vs The Builders->Crew consists of different races including Romulans I believe.
Also the Federation is more of a United Nations more than a real empire. If you want a Real Threat then you're barking on the Mirror Universe. There wasn't a Federation there. Instead that Universe gets the Terran Empire who's really the worst of the worst.
If the Feds where the same as that then the Romulans, Klingons should have been already eliminated or enslave. The only reason why the Terran Empire got weak because well Mirror Spock grew a conscience and obliterated Kirk (Man I want that device used to kill Mirror Kirk lol) because he said that the way they are now will make the Terran Empire crumble in the end.
Sounds Familiar? Well if you combine the ways of xenophobia of the Romulans and the War hunger of Klingons with all the in fighting and slap it on the Feds then you would have The Terran Empire.
D'Tan is right on his decision. And technically the Romulans are playing both the KDF and the feds for that matter. Which technically says D'tan is crafty. Also remember the Remans. Most of them Sided with D'Tan because they know it's the best way they can move on.
Spock wanted unity in a form that Romulans and Vulcan's acknowledge each other like brothers. Not to dominate them. As for Humans, when was the last time a Human actually hold the highest seat on the feds except Fleet Admiral?
Even in the Series or movies we rarely see any other race being part of the crew being blown-up, assimilated or killed. If one thinks about it carefully, Humans became cannon fodder for encounters and with all the resources the Feds have it was only on the extreme case they finally decided to make saome war specific ships and even with that they are still debating about deploying mass quantities of it. Also since Red Shirts are 90% Humans we know what happens to Red Shirts on TOS.
Damn now that I realized it, Kirk shouldn't have worn any Red at all. Someone get the Annorax!
EIther way, I'd still think that the Federation needs to cool its own fire a bit first. They are far too much about their own higher moral standing over others to accept such 'vile and immoral' societies as the Republic and the Klingon Empire. In truth of course, both the Klingons and the Republic are moral socieities in their own right, following their own codes and beliefs. For the Federation to join formally with these groups, at the very least the Feds would need to finally come to the realization that their version of right and wrong isn't universal, and that there are other, equally acceptable concepts of morality held by other warp-capable, multi-system societies.
Yep, I could believe that taking a good 300 years or so
that.... really does nail it
Yep. It's why I have such trouble RPing Fed characters. I can't bring myself to have that much hate for other cultures.
Section 31 obviously isn't above changing the timeline to suits it's own agenda and have already proven they have time travel at their disposal.
It's the perfect plan , destroy Romulus through manipulation of the Tashiar , the Romulans turn on themselves , while the Federation remains spotless. We already know section 31 had the Chairman of the Tal shiar working for them as an agent during the dominion war. Just think what damage he could have done. The Romulan people feel betrayed by their government and are now forced to turn to a Federation sympathizer "D'tan". Then they join the Federation willingly somewhere along the line in the belief they're freeing themselves from tyranny only to be fooled into becoming federation pets. And to top it off the Federation helps form the temporal accord making sure no one changes their well built plan to pacify the Romulan people.
The best prisoners are the ones that think they're free , we are not free we traded in Romulan Task masters for alien ones!
I have to agree with the both of you. I see it too often, in the shows, in the forums, in RP areas, how "tolerant" of other cultures Starfleet types are and I'm not impressed at all.
My Fed tac is a black sheep who doesn't go for the "peace first, peace second, peace third, and when you're on the ground dying, maybe try to negotiate for peace some more" idea. He has an appreciation for warrior cultures from Earth's past as well as Klingons and knows at some point, if you can't be a peacemaker, you have to bring the (Wyatt Earp's gun) peacemaker.
It'd be plausible, if Sela and Hakeev weren't here. STO penned the definitive reasons for the fall of the Empire in this continuity.
That said, I could definitely see Section 31 - or even the Federation proper - messing heavily in Romulan affairs post ST:Nemesis. Putting STO aside, that's a serious possibility. But within the context of the game lore, the fault lies squarley with the Tal Shiar and corrupt Imperial leadership.