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When are Callisto hanger pets getting fixed?
hunteralpha84
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Seriously the Jupiter's been out for months yet this component of the ship is still broken.
Why should any of us spend any money on future ships if they might be potentially bugged and you'll just file and forget?
Why should any of us spend any money on future ships if they might be potentially bugged and you'll just file and forget?
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I might be wring though.
Callisto Frigates aren't broken in the sense of bugs or stuff like that.
Callisto Frigates are "broken" in terms of gameplay. They suffer from the same core issues that plague all Frigate Hangar Units that are focused on narrow arc weapons. Frigates like the KDF Vo'Quv's Bird of Prey units that are narrow arc focused turn like absolute dog TRIBBLE. Once past their initial attack run that you point them properly to, they take very long, leisurely turns so that instead of quickly presenting their DHCs/DCs/Torpedoes all the time, their rear or sides are facing the enemy all the time. So in the end, stuff like Turrets are the only things firing and not the heavier, DHCs and such.
The Callistos are in the same, exact boat as other Frigates built in such a way. You could put on any hangar unit 20 DHCs with CSV3 and APB3 + Quantum Torp with a magical 100% shield bypass and TS3... If the hangar unit can't turn worth a damn, all that armament and ability means NOTHING, because only the piddly turrets in the back will actually be firing most of the time.
The Callisto also suffers something extra: They're slow as hell. They are slower in speed than other Frigates, much less the faster Fighter Units. Once you deploy them in the first engagement, and you have to Full Impulse to a more distant fight, kiss your still existing Callistos goodbye. Because they're going to leisurely stroll their way to the fight and likely miss it.
People said, "My Callistos are hardly ever die. They're very tough!"
To that, I say, "They can't die if they're too damn slow to get into the fight."
Edit: I want to add that NPC Escort and Raider type ships are even worse. Not only do they maneuver like TRIBBLE, they're less armed than player ships or even player hangar unit equivalents. It's sad as TRIBBLE if I can take my big, slow Galaxy and outmaneuver and get on the backside of a Bird of Prey because the BOP NPC is too damn slow.
wait 10 seconds
fly to new battle
set pets to attack
Complain about DPS players doing all the things in the 20 seconds it took you to sort out your pets and get into the fight
Yeah...most cases these days I try to actively avoid anything that doesn't have beam(s) on it. Very few non-beam pets compete with beam related pets...only cannon pet you hear people talk about is the Scorpion, and it's the torpedo and HY that make it good.
I wish the peregrine had beams like in the show...
for me works better combo To'duj (quantum torpedo spam light bombers ) and Orion raiders ( 360 degree beam array )
plus is fun see how raiders steal stuff / ec from enemy
but - at least calisto pets have scratch the paint , other pets still die often due NPC warp core breach
If you do not know this then you do not own them. I stopped using these the first day when I realized they would despawn from being to far away from ship. By time I entered combat, I would have destroyed my targets well before they would show to engage the target. The problem with them is that they always remain in combat. No matter if you are sitting in the SOL system or in some random space map near a space station. They gain pet rank just sitting there, and therefor never use full impulse to keep up with their mother ship.
They are broken, and they share their brokenness with the Klingons Elite BOP's. Certain frigate class pets are remaining in combat mode on a constant basis. They do not use full impuse and therefor can not keep up with their mother ships. You get to far away from them they seem to despawn. I have noticed on my BOP pets, they do not even use their cloak abilities anymore. Something is definitely broke with frigate pets right now, and Cryptic has yet to acknowledge the problem.
The few players who claim they are just slow pets (lol) or are not broke in anyways clearly do not own them, or do not pay enough attention to the game that they simply never noticed.
Awesome!! Best of luck and can't wait until a fix
See, I hate to be THAT guy....
But wasn't it about a year ago that hanger pets got nerfed ?
Why for Heaven's sake ? !!
Why nerf something that had so many problems to begin with?
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1171277/upcoming-changes-to-hangar-pets-and-separation-pets/p1
I never thought that made any sense, ESPECIALLY in light of the problems we're STILL talking about now .
Actually, it was a bit over a year ago that we were flat out lied to.. yes.
We were told that the change to pets was to fix a problem with them having too many HP. The change was supposed to do nothing but correct the HP problem with pets. Instead, we got a nerf of massive proportion that reduced hangar pets damage and overall effectiveness to a shell of what they formerly were.
When tests were posted showing the massive reduction in pet effectiveness it was, and still is to this day met with complete silence from Cryptic. They have never said another word about it since and continue to avoid the issue like the plague. It was Charles Grey who posted the initial post saying nothing else was going to be changed, and he has not said a word since nor has anyone at Cryptic.
Since that time, the only thing Pets have received is more and more nerfs. Hangar pets are in a sad and pathetic place right now. I'm glad they're talking about fixing the Callisto Frigates, but I'll believe it when I see it. Cryptics approach to hangar pets since Delta Rising doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
Good to hear! Make hangar pets awesome please!
-3rd Commmandment of Chivalry
QFT.
Please also look at improving (fixing) pet carrier commands which pets simply refuse to respond to more often than not, and when they do take a very long time well beyond what is practical (exploding in warp core breaches, de-spawning when trailing behind).
Dump out the frigates, do what has to be done, recall all ships while slowing to 1/4 impulse, wait till all are loaded(and they take their sweet time doing it) ramp up to full impulse, go to where I need to be, dump my frigates fight, and then dry rinse repeat.
Really time consuming.
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http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1145998/star-trek-battles-channel-got-canon/p1
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By the time you do all that the team finished the content
That's good to know. Sorry if my original post seemed overly pissy.
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Exactly. It appears they can't/won't fix the plaguing issue with hanger pets, so until that happen or even if, they should just go straight to beams or weapons with a wide arc.
I'm starting to think they'll never be fixed however...
when i saw the nerf hammer coming after this i used them occasionally and gave up altogether on carriers since. since cryptic care little for combat pets, i care little for carriers. if cryptic get around it is on them.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Frigate behavior has been like this since the game launched. The difference between "Now" and "Then" for hangar units was the massive nerf Cryptic applied to ALL hangar units around the time of Delta Rising's release.
The KDF had long complained about how leisurely the BOP & Fer'Jai Frigates were in their turns. Very bad for the numerous narrow arc weapons they had. Imagine trying to use these in PVP with fast moving player ships. That's an even worse mix. Complaints about this had been going on for years and years and it's never been fixed.
Frigates can have 50 narrow arc weapons installed with APB+CSV+TS. It won't matter for TRIBBLE because after the initial launch and initial attack run, Frigates will use the entire galaxy to make their lazy, leisurely turns so only their turrets (if they have even that) will be the only ones firing.
Loaded question with a lot of neglect by Cryptic. The issue is old as TRIBBLE and is never going to get fixed.