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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    For some reason at this point, I'm reminded of this...

    https://youtu.be/GXnSe7MYPGM

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    nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    Whining about free stuff is bad form.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,372 Arc User
    nikephorus wrote: »
    Whining about free stuff is bad form.

    Very much indeed. Although Cryptic did say new stuff every 24 hours, they did however on Saturday say that the date for that specific one covered till 1st Feb. Anyone who took all of 5 seconds to read it would have seen it. However, Cryptic is entitled to change anything and I mean ANYTHING at a moments notice, without giving notification. They are under no obligations to even post up Patch Notes. They do it out of the goodness of their wee hearts.

    I've also seen people complaining because the KDF ship didn't have the Quad cannons, which is on the T3 ship, as well as 'I've already got this ship so I'm being screwed', and one becoming a classic 'Why no T5 or T6 ship like last time?'

    At the end of the day, Cryptic and STO are quite possibly the most generous Company and Game towards it's player-base, and that player-base should be bigging them up for it, not screaming like rabid little pack-animals because of a little, tiny thing such as not getting ANOTHER FREE ITEM!

    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    What was the giveaway for the 3rd day?

    I basically had to deal with a family emergency and had no time to log in to claim whatever it was.
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    bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    leemwatson wrote: »
    nikephorus wrote: »
    Whining about free stuff is bad form.

    Very much indeed. Although Cryptic did say new stuff every 24 hours, they did however on Saturday say that the date for that specific one covered till 1st Feb. Anyone who took all of 5 seconds to read it would have seen it. However, Cryptic is entitled to change anything and I mean ANYTHING at a moments notice, without giving notification. They are under no obligations to even post up Patch Notes. They do it out of the goodness of their wee hearts.

    I've also seen people complaining because the KDF ship didn't have the Quad cannons, which is on the T3 ship, as well as 'I've already got this ship so I'm being screwed', and one becoming a classic 'Why no T5 or T6 ship like last time?'

    At the end of the day, Cryptic and STO are quite possibly the most generous Company and Game towards it's player-base, and that player-base should be bigging them up for it, not screaming like rabid little pack-animals because of a little, tiny thing such as not getting ANOTHER FREE ITEM!

    its true that they are not obliged to inform us of changes but when they took the time to update the post with the correct information regarding the giveaway on other sites like facebook but it appears they couldn't be bothered to post the correct information on their own site ARC I call that bad form.

    though I don't hold with any other grievances regarding the giveaway, I feel a little let down that they seem to favour users of other sites over users of their own site ARC.

    if they had replaced the words on the arc blog
    "We’re kicking off the celebrations early for Star Trek Online’s 6-year Anniversary! It’s been a wonderful year and we’re happy to celebrate alongside you. Every day we’ll be giving away new C-Store items for Captains to enjoy. Every 24 hours, we’ll be giving out a different item (or even multiple), so be sure to grab these up!"

    with the words from the facebook notice
    "Our final giveaway is live! Celebrate the Anniversary of Star Trek Online with three free ships! Fly away in a Sao Paulo, Ar’kala Tactical Warbird and Puyjaq Class this weekend!"

    I am sure this thread would not exist.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

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    subzer0d1videsubzer0d1vide Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    It seems like today is the same as yesterday, if you look at the dates on the give away page"From the 30th to the 1st"
    Yes, and still it contradicts itself in that very page and says "Every day we’ll be giving away new C-Store items" plus "Every 24 hours, we’ll be giving out a different item (or even multiple)" , it also says on this page:

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9752713-star-trek-online:-anniversary-event

    "Looking to celebrate the Anniversary Event early? So are we! From January 26th to February 1st we’re hosting new giveaways each day! Be sure to check back here to find out the latest free unlocks."

    Just stating that anyways, happy with what i got.

    It ALWAYS seems that what they write is NOT what actually happens. I've asked before if the writer's first language is English because so often what they write has no basis in fact. "Every day" means each day that will be a new item - not on some of the days. It's a disappointment when you check "every day" and then nothing gets updated.

    BTW my lifetime member payment didn't happen either so something must be having issues again.
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    subzer0d1videsubzer0d1vide Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Givaways this year were a cop out, all consumable stuff except for some lowbie ships? Remember the year we got shuttles, tier 2 ships, and tier 5 ships for each faction? Yeah, not impressed cryptic.

    How is 2 spec points per character consumables? Costumes are not consumables either. Might want to do some fact checking before you decide to make stupid posts.

    go go white knight!


    anyways OP is right there is supposed to be a giveaway according to the forum news post today

    Since when is pointing out FACTS being a white knight? Seriously?!? And yes, according to their own blog, we should have something new today...but that has NOTHING to do with the lies that maerikcharon spewed and azrael corrected. Also since when are T4 ships considered lowbies? They can be the best ships a F2P has for a while...especially for non sci speced captains since the free T6 ship this time around is a sci ship.

    Nothing new today dude, now it's Feb 1. Got any bright light for this?
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    sylveriareldensylveriarelden Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    Nothing new today dude, now it's Feb 1. Got any bright light for this?

    I'm hearing nothing but a lot of fizzles... as with most who are full of hot air, they radiate more heat than light.

    It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.

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    farranorfarranor Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    Regarding consumables: the spec point packs were consumable items. The fact that the spec points they contained aren't immediately lost is not relevant. If you take some fall damage and use a hypospray, that health is not temporary - it can only be lost if you do something else to take damage (for an example of temporary health, see the Iconian weapons). If you use a tech upgrade on a shield, you can see the upgrade points on it indefinitely. Would you argue that hyposprays or tech upgrades are not consumable?

    A non-consumable spec point pack would be more like "Use: grants 1 Specialization Point. Cooldown: 20 hours." Now that would be too much. That is why the spec point packs we get are consumable. And there's nothing wrong with that - but they are a consumable item.
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ...

    Honestly, this is akin to a sweetshop owner giving free sweets away for a week; yeah, he might put the lid back on the sweet jar a little earlier than he might have said, but the fact remains that he didn't have to give anything away for FREE at all.

    It's actually more like that owner putting out an ad saying "visit my shop for free stuff tomorrow!" and then you get there and he goes "sorry, that advertisement was false. That bait is not available, but I'd be happy to make a switch and offer you a different pack of candy for $20 while you're here."
    farranor wrote: »
    farranor wrote: »
    2. Three ships? That's odd. Each of my characters only got one ship, and I have characters on both factions.

    alright you dont want to use your eyes, thats on you but im not gonna help you troll.
    You, like the other guy, have missed the point entirely. Neither lord steve, nor myself, are complaining about the free items. What we're noting--in unison--is the contradictory nature of Cryptic's own communication. For example, if they said they were giving out a new thing every 24 hours for 5 days; but it happened to be the same thing, 5 days in a row--that wouldn't be the quite the same. Neither would it be congruent if they said they were giving out nothing--then secretly put something in the zen store unannounced--and most people missed it because it...because it was never announced & Cryptic had said they already weren't doing so.

    I do not care if the standard is arbitrary and unfair--I simply ask that Cryptic adhere to it. And in this case, the standard is whatever Cryptic itself decreed.

    no you are asking from speculative point of view for an answer from another speculative point of view. because this is what your point consists of and i am not trendy or a cryptic staff member, i can not answer this "point". also cryptic/pwe do not owe you an opnion on anything, they can change what they like without telling the players anything, it is in the agreements you signed when you started playing the game and taken part in this forum here.

    That's a lot of words to say "I dunno; whatever." And you call me a troll? Oh, Internet... you never fail to deliver.

    presuming to know - check.
    antagonistic - check
    childish insults - check
    faiure to understand and confusing it with epeen - check.
    That ends this pointless debate.

    All you had said in that post was that 1) you couldn't answer anything, and 2) Cryptic/PWE don't owe anyone anything so nothing matters. That does indeed boil down to "I dunno" and "whatever." Unfortunately for you, labeling others with insults (which, ironically, largely apply to you) in a condescending way doesn't do what you think it does. If you could go ahead and limit your useless, rude posts to other threads, that would be great. And put a cover page on them next time.
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    azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Let's keep one thing in perspective: Cryptic does not give away these promotions because of generosity. They do it to ensure customer loyalty and to drive logon traffic.

    Im not just being cynical here. It's good to see a business embracing a classic win win kind of strategy, it's good, smart business; but let's not pretend that they're just acting from goodness and giving without recompense.

    Advertising a promotion that drives traffic and interest in a game, and then falling short of the advertised deal, is the bad form here. The customer spends their time to log on, check the webpage and otherwise drive interest in the product, under minutely false pretences. This isn't an egregious error by any means, but it's important for business to be careful with their statements and to deliver on their promises.
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    sylveriareldensylveriarelden Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    azniadeet wrote: »
    Let's keep one thing in perspective: Cryptic does not give away these promotions because of generosity. They do it to ensure customer loyalty and to drive logon traffic.

    Im not just being cynical here. It's good to see a business embracing a classic win win kind of strategy, it's good, smart business; but let's not pretend that they're just acting from goodness and giving without recompense.

    Advertising a promotion that drives traffic and interest in a game, and then falling short of the advertised deal, is the bad form here. The customer spends their time to log on, check the webpage and otherwise drive interest in the product, under minutely false pretences. This isn't an egregious error by any means, but it's important for business to be careful with their statements and to deliver on their promises.

    ^ This person gets it.

    I don't have a "personal relationship" with PWE/Cryptic. We have a business arrangement- and when they advertise services and you pay for those services, you expect what you paid for. If they make an announcement they are going to do something then they don't, it certainly causes doubt in any business arrangement.

    If I tell you I'll build your house for X amount of money, and say I'm throwing in a kitchen renovation free of charge- then I build the house and renege on the kitchen it's called "breach of contract". They're not doing this out of the "kindness of their hearts", they're doing this because it's a business model, plain and simple.

    Deceptive business practices are deceptive. End of story.
    It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.

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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    People here would have found solace in a Medieval Monastery, debating over things like how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin, or other such nonsense.

    The fact is the Blog was wrong, period. It has nothing to do with ungratefulness or anything of the sort. It was wrong. Happened a few months ago with the November 13th Hearts and Minds when the Blog said it ended at 6 PM PDT while the Calendar said 6 AM PDT.

    There is just too much throwing around of the entitled labels, insults, etc.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
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    sylveriareldensylveriarelden Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    azniadeet wrote: »
    Let's keep one thing in perspective: Cryptic does not give away these promotions because of generosity. They do it to ensure customer loyalty and to drive logon traffic.

    Im not just being cynical here. It's good to see a business embracing a classic win win kind of strategy, it's good, smart business; but let's not pretend that they're just acting from goodness and giving without recompense.

    Advertising a promotion that drives traffic and interest in a game, and then falling short of the advertised deal, is the bad form here. The customer spends their time to log on, check the webpage and otherwise drive interest in the product, under minutely false pretences. This isn't an egregious error by any means, but it's important for business to be careful with their statements and to deliver on their promises.

    ^ This person gets it.

    I don't have a "personal relationship" with PWE/Cryptic. We have a business arrangement- and when they advertise services and you pay for those services, you expect what you paid for. If they make an announcement they are going to do something then they don't, it certainly causes doubt in aany business arrangement.

    If I tell you I'll build your house for X amount of money, and say I'm throwing in a kitchen renovation free of charge- then I build the house and renege on the kitchen it's called "breach of contract". They're not doing this out of the "kindness of their hearts", they're doing this because it's a business model, plain and simple.

    Deceptive business practices are deceptive. End of story.

    Free giveaways are not a part of any service covered under the EULA agreement we all agreed to when we downloaded and installed the game, nor will they ever be, and even if they were the specific terms of the EULA (our ONLY contract with Cryptic) state that they can change anything they wat at any time they want. You have NO legal ground to stand on to claim any sort of breach of contract and never will, End of story.

    You can argue legality until you're blue in the face- it's not going to change the point or the facts. I'm not talking about legality here- I'm talking about how business practices appear and leave an impression on customers. Deception is not good for PR, regardless how you spin it. It's certainly not the way to attract more customers.

    As the saying goes- you may win the battle, but you'll have lost the war.
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    misterferengi#8959 misterferengi Member Posts: 486 Arc User
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    farranorfarranor Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    azniadeet wrote: »
    Let's keep one thing in perspective: Cryptic does not give away these promotions because of generosity. They do it to ensure customer loyalty and to drive logon traffic.

    Im not just being cynical here. It's good to see a business embracing a classic win win kind of strategy, it's good, smart business; but let's not pretend that they're just acting from goodness and giving without recompense.

    Advertising a promotion that drives traffic and interest in a game, and then falling short of the advertised deal, is the bad form here. The customer spends their time to log on, check the webpage and otherwise drive interest in the product, under minutely false pretences. This isn't an egregious error by any means, but it's important for business to be careful with their statements and to deliver on their promises.

    ^ This person gets it.

    I don't have a "personal relationship" with PWE/Cryptic. We have a business arrangement- and when they advertise services and you pay for those services, you expect what you paid for. If they make an announcement they are going to do something then they don't, it certainly causes doubt in aany business arrangement.

    If I tell you I'll build your house for X amount of money, and say I'm throwing in a kitchen renovation free of charge- then I build the house and renege on the kitchen it's called "breach of contract". They're not doing this out of the "kindness of their hearts", they're doing this because it's a business model, plain and simple.

    Deceptive business practices are deceptive. End of story.

    Free giveaways are not a part of any service covered under the EULA agreement we all agreed to when we downloaded and installed the game, nor will they ever be, and even if they were the specific terms of the EULA (our ONLY contract with Cryptic) state that they can change anything they wat at any time they want. You have NO legal ground to stand on to claim any sort of breach of contract and never will, End of story.

    I don't think you can just wave the magic EULA wand to make consumer protection laws disappear in a puff of smoke. A contract that breaks laws (and EULAs and their ilk don't even have as much standing as contracts) is invalid. False advertisement and bait-and-switch have infinitely more legal clout than EULAs. Cryptic/PWE's marketing department probably deserves some harsh words from their legal department, at the very least, because they did technically break the law, and there's always the chance that a sufficiently insane player could actually hire a lawyer (or represent themselves, I guess) and try to do something about it.

    The news post advertised "a new item or items every 24 hours" to get people to log in every day, and then people log in for the new item on a new day only to find that nothing new is being offered. Of course, they are free to browse the wide variety of items available in the C-store, right? This is wrong, any way you slice it.

    P.S.: Let me make it crystal clear: what Cryptic/PWE did was certainly legally problematic, and they could technically get into legal trouble with the false advertisement and bait-and-switch, but no one is suing anyone. Again: no one is suing anyone. If anyone replies to this post with "O UR GONA SUE LOLOL GUD LUK WIT DAT" I will start posting pictures of kittens.
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    jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    and another one of these threads

    1) Cryptic fanbois say "cryptic is awesome , they give me fwee stuffz YAY CRYPTIC!!"

    2) Cryptic Detractors say " Im not impressed with the freebies, i have dug and have found a typo that i will now harp on for the rest of the forums existence".

    3) Then there are the casuals like myself who say
    "I got free stuff thats cool and all BUT, we need a trendy doff and a USS LaughingTrendy admiralty ship to make everything more awesome then the most awesome thing ever,not even bacon would be more awesome then a trendy doff and a USS Laughingtrendy admiralty card, Make it so cryptic , make it so" of course we would settle for trendy giving us a pat on the head :)
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,545 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    No, a boff. A holo-Trendy to join my holo-Leeta in Smiting Evil? SIGN ME UP!

    I'd give another $20 to Chase Masterson's charity for that, especially if holo-Trendy looked like her forum avatar (non-goatee version) and was armed with a Plasmonic Leek.

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    subzer0d1videsubzer0d1vide Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Perhaps the new item is tomorrow, as people tend not to work Sundays. Of course, I can be just making it up. *Shrugs*

    Nope! I was hoping the same. I guess reading everything with a grain of salt is also a reminder this 6 Year Anniversary celebrates. Better tighten up this ship or there won't be a 7th.
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    subzer0d1videsubzer0d1vide Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    nikephorus wrote: »
    Whining about free stuff is bad form.

    Very much indeed. Although Cryptic did say new stuff every 24 hours, they did however on Saturday say that the date for that specific one covered till 1st Feb. Anyone who took all of 5 seconds to read it would have seen it. However, Cryptic is entitled to change anything and I mean ANYTHING at a moments notice, without giving notification. They are under no obligations to even post up Patch Notes. They do it out of the goodness of their wee hearts.

    I've also seen people complaining because the KDF ship didn't have the Quad cannons, which is on the T3 ship, as well as 'I've already got this ship so I'm being screwed', and one becoming a classic 'Why no T5 or T6 ship like last time?'

    At the end of the day, Cryptic and STO are quite possibly the most generous Company and Game towards it's player-base, and that player-base should be bigging them up for it, not screaming like rabid little pack-animals because of a little, tiny thing such as not getting ANOTHER FREE ITEM!

    You MUST be new and have never paid for anything in the game. For serious gamers, Cryptic is a business that should live up to their words and when they don't they get called out for it. Serious gamers don't bend over and then thank them afterward.
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    "The higher the fewer."
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,545 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    nikephorus wrote: »
    Whining about free stuff is bad form.

    Very much indeed. Although Cryptic did say new stuff every 24 hours, they did however on Saturday say that the date for that specific one covered till 1st Feb. Anyone who took all of 5 seconds to read it would have seen it. However, Cryptic is entitled to change anything and I mean ANYTHING at a moments notice, without giving notification. They are under no obligations to even post up Patch Notes. They do it out of the goodness of their wee hearts.

    I've also seen people complaining because the KDF ship didn't have the Quad cannons, which is on the T3 ship, as well as 'I've already got this ship so I'm being screwed', and one becoming a classic 'Why no T5 or T6 ship like last time?'

    At the end of the day, Cryptic and STO are quite possibly the most generous Company and Game towards it's player-base, and that player-base should be bigging them up for it, not screaming like rabid little pack-animals because of a little, tiny thing such as not getting ANOTHER FREE ITEM!

    You MUST be new and have never paid for anything in the game. For serious gamers, Cryptic is a business that should live up to their words and when they don't they get called out for it. Serious gamers don't bend over and then thank them afterward.

    Oh please. I've bought quite a bit of zen with cash monies and am a lifetime subscriber.

    My reaction to the giveaway of 3 free ships lasting 2 days instead of 1 was: "Woohoo! Thanks for the 3 free ships!"

    Cryptic did not need to give us anything for this event. Instead, it was spec points, fleet dil, a costume unlock, 3 free ships, a T6 science ship, and Omega tech upgrades.
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    thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    I claimed the TWO FREE SPEC POINTS on ALL of my Characters.

    I was able to consume some of them already however the others need to level up a bit before they can be used. Money in the bank!​​
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    Not liars, just not careful in checking.
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    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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    farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    To me its a typo that got missed. It happens. I'm just glad we got the gifts. I know I will make use out of them.
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    twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    A holo-Trendy to join my holo-Leeta

    No way she isn't screaming inside right now. She's seen how players dress Orions.
    <3
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,545 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    twg042370 wrote: »
    A holo-Trendy to join my holo-Leeta

    No way she isn't screaming inside right now. She's seen how players dress Orions.

    I don't think Leeta can be undressed like that, but then I haven't tried. Just lock the model and make sure the Plasmonic Leek is upgradeable.

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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    The Mirror Leeta Boff is not editable in any manner.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
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