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Federation Battlecloak

chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
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So it's not quite the end of the world, but it's annoying nonetheless. I'm fairly unhappy that the Defiant got a battlecloak afterall, following the outcries of Federation players over the Valiant somehow not getting the 'hero' treatment. Apparently, everyone over there is the new Sisko :sweat:

At least they have to pay something fierce for it, to collect the full set. Still, that's one less thing that's unique to the other factions that the Feddie Bears have clawed access to.
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Welcome to the next STO expansion "You're all Galactic Union members now"
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  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    Welcome to the next STO expansion "You're all Galactic Union members now"

    Well, I'm glad someone is fighting it, and indirectly, the UFP; and if they're is any concern that the Homo Sapiens only club, won't be represented in the timeline, then you should look at my sig. >:)
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  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    For this one ship, one feature that is well paid for, I'm fine with it. But there are some things which should remain off limits to Feds, just as T6 science ships among other things are off limits to KDF/RRF.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    The problem is, its never one ship. The door is open now, and more will come
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    tacofangs wrote: »
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  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    The problem is, its never one ship. The door is open now, and more will come

    Yep. Once enough Feddie Bears whine enough (and that's exactly what the Valiant stats forum thread was...), they often get what they're crying for. And once they get it, it starts showing up more often.
  • willdojinnwilldojinn Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    Done is done though, nothing for it really since they'll use player stats as justification and we'll get people going 'so, ragequit already that'll show 'em. can i have your stuff?' Belittling and poking fun at anyone that disagrees with fed player suprimicy.

    I'm personally fine with the defiant getting this since in lore it makes sense to. I'm not fine with other ships getting it but oh well.
  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    willdojinn wrote: »
    I'm personally fine with the defiant getting this since in lore it makes sense to. I'm not fine with other ships getting it but oh well.

    Pretty much this.
    Sure you could argue that it opened the door for other battlecloak fed ships but they had the chance to do this with the intel ships and it didn't happen.

    And besides that the cost for it is ridiculous. Getting 3 ships and equipping 2 consoles & 1 (very subpar) weapon aren't a small deal even if they just gave away the cheapest one.
    If you're willing to shell out a small fortune and severly limit your build options just for a battlecloak on a non-warbird you've more or less eanred it.
  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    The problem is, its never one ship. The door is open now, and more will come

    I have this creepy feeling you're right. :| And still no word on T6 Klingon/Romulan science ships? Pathetic!
  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    seriousdave wrote: »
    If you're willing to shell out a small fortune and severly limit your build options just for a battlecloak on a non-warbird you've more or less eanred it.

    That's the saving grace, at least. The battlecloak is behind a severe paywall and is viciously against the game's current meta.

    "Yay, you can cloak now? What else can you do?" This question will be followed by regretful silence.

    In a way, I suppose that's kinda in line with what it would take for the Federation to properly implement a full-cloak system when their ships aren't normally designed for it. The amount of power and functionality sacrifices for such a non-standard piece of equipment can, and should, be nearly insurmountable for easy implementation or widespread adoption.
  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Feds seem to have forgotten about MES, since all they talk about is, Cloak, Cloak, Cloak. :D
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    Wellcome to the KDF's past.
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  • postinggumpostinggum Member Posts: 1,117 Arc User
    The T'Varos are simply better than the defiants, and Roms can get that starter pack; with the Phanton, 3 Pilots and Hestia the T6 Defiant isnt even a top 5 fed escort, and thats not including the HEC, subscriber destroyer and cross-faction ship - they had to do something for that lemon.
  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    bltrrn wrote: »
    Feds seem to have forgotten about MES, since all they talk about is, Cloak, Cloak, Cloak. :D

    To be fair MES is pretty useless, most NPC's see right through it even with high aux and it only gives a defence buff after you drop it for I think its 10 seconds, might be higher on the higher ranks.

    I'm making use of it on a fed klingon I made for thematic reasons, but to be blunt there are a lot of much better powers out there.
  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    It's a bit ridiculous at this point in time, with all the other things broken in game, to waste time whining about a one trick pony console that most people wouldn't use anyway. you'd have to sacrifice far too much to even use it. Bottom line is there no such thing as a non battle cloak canon wise. (meaning shows and movies)


    Cryptic made some extrapolations and a few reaches tbh with the design of the cloak in game. Now the firing while cloaked ability (aka enhanced battle cloak) has a canon reason and appearance (and should be a restricted item meaning not all ships can do it). To say a ship can't cloak if it's under red alert is not only a bit silly, but there is no basis in the canon for it. Does that mean if the ship was kept on yellow alert it can carry on business as usual with decloaking shooting then cloaking again? :p (note: I'm not saying all ships should have cloak but the ships that do have it, should never have had this silly game mechanic imposed)

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  • willdojinnwilldojinn Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    the whole 'can't cloak while red alert unless it's a battle cloak' along with speed limits while at red alert are purely gameplay artifacts and have no real sense or reason in a real 'verse. It's just something that is so just shrug and move on.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    The problem is, its never one ship. The door is open now, and more will come
    The biggest money maker for Cryptic is lockboxes. And yet they managed t resist the urge to sell lockbox ships that come with battle cloak or enhanced battle cloak. I believe only the Vorth ships have a set that can get towards the battle cloak.

    If they managed to resist that so well, I see no reason to believe that they'll give the Federation lots of cloaking capabilities. It's just not in there. The Defiant has cloak and now battle cloak because it was the one Fed ship with cloak.
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  • tarran61tarran61 Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    I will test it but so far for me the fed cloak is not worth the device slot. The Romulans know this there is only one true battle cloak! Its built in the ship too!! Day and night comparing my Fed to my Rom using cloaks.
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  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    Yeah, if it takes equiping a 3pc set, then I don't even mind. This is going to be more geared to playing Episodes and what not, than PvP or anything like that. Yeah no problem for the defiant. I only have 2 feds, 3 Rom, and 7 KDF.

    Defiant always felt underwhelming to be as an escort, always prefered the MVAE, nad now Pilot ships. Ended up with the Defiant as I grabbed the 3pk with the Kor & Malem. Might actually have a reason to use the Defiant now, just for funzies.

    Frankly & Honestly, I think the aquarius should get a piece of this too, just at a very heavy price in gear, just for Funzies.
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
    Bear this in mind, Valiant owners have to sacrifice 2 console slots for that battle cloak
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    • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
      theraven2378 wrote: »
      Bear this in mind, Valiant owners have to sacrifice 2 console slots for that battle cloak

      And also a weapon slot that forces them to go the phaser route and that draws additional power from their engines. So yeah all in all it really isn't that great to actually go for the battlecloak.
    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
      seriousdave wrote: »
      theraven2378 wrote: »
      Bear this in mind, Valiant owners have to sacrifice 2 console slots for that battle cloak

      And also a weapon slot that forces them to go the phaser route and that draws additional power from their engines. So yeah all in all it really isn't that great to actually go for the battlecloak.

      I don't mind going down the phaser route to be honest so that is not an issue, the battle cloak gives me options
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      • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
        "first the Klingons, now the Borg.. is there anyone that *hasn't* stolen our cloaking technology???"
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      • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
        The Romulan Republic, Klingon Empire and Federation are allies, hence why I have no issue with the valiant 3 piece getting the battle cloak
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        • skylarcometskylarcomet Member Posts: 182 Arc User
          theraven2378 wrote: »
          The Romulan Republic, Klingon Empire and Federation are allies, hence why I have no issue with the valiant 3 piece getting the battle cloak

          Being allies doesn't really change the UFP/Starfleets policy on using cloaks, unless that changed and I am unawares. I can't remember the loophole used for the Defiant, but I am pretty sure Starfleet could make cloaking ships if they really wanted to, but do not because they are Starfleet, and it's not the Starfleet way.
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        • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
          skylarcomet wrote: »
          theraven2378 wrote: »
          The Romulan Republic, Klingon Empire and Federation are allies, hence why I have no issue with the valiant 3 piece getting the battle cloak

          Being allies doesn't really change the UFP/Starfleets policy on using cloaks, unless that changed and I am unawares. I can't remember the loophole used for the Defiant, but I am pretty sure Starfleet could make cloaking ships if they really wanted to, but do not because they are Starfleet, and it's not the Starfleet way.

          They were bound by the now defunct Treaty of Algeron signed after the Tomed Incident in 2311
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          • skylarcometskylarcomet Member Posts: 182 Arc User
            theraven2378 wrote: »
            skylarcomet wrote: »
            theraven2378 wrote: »
            The Romulan Republic, Klingon Empire and Federation are allies, hence why I have no issue with the valiant 3 piece getting the battle cloak

            Being allies doesn't really change the UFP/Starfleets policy on using cloaks, unless that changed and I am unawares. I can't remember the loophole used for the Defiant, but I am pretty sure Starfleet could make cloaking ships if they really wanted to, but do not because they are Starfleet, and it's not the Starfleet way.

            They were bound by the now defunct Treaty of Algeron signed after the Tomed Incident in 2311

            Ah, interesting, this made me go read the entry for the treaty at memory alpha, and it claims the STO in game lore has the UFP president saying that they still uphold the treaty, of course then it points out all of the ships that the players can get with a cloak, lol.
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          • willdojinnwilldojinn Member Posts: 57 Arc User
            a TV trope theory posited the federation could easily have made their own cloaks for a long time (Hell the ship Riker was an ensign on not only had a cloak, but one that let them phase through normal matter.) They simply conceded such a huge advantage because everyone else remembers the Genesis device. Yes yes it was ungodly difficult to make and the feds dropped the technology because apparently unstable. However look at it from the perspective of a weapon. Fire ONE torpedo and suddenly your whole planet isn't just gone, but any hint that your culture or people were there is erased.

            The feds gave up cloaking to maintain galactic stability. I forget why the defiant was allowed cloaking (other than it was given a specific allowance in the face of the dominion threat and even then they couldn't use it in the alpha quadrant. (or was it 'outside of the gamma quadrant?) Either way the defiant class was the singular exception and that was due to extraordinary conditions.
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