Pen, it can't be judged in any context. It's not in any context yet. Once it's actually been released, then it has context and can be judged. Until then, you're trying to judge a painting by examining the brushes used. It might be an insipid hotel seascape - or it might be Guernica. You don't know yet.
It's a "mystery box" - it might be Khan, it might not! Who knows? Only JJ Abrams knows and you can pay $10 to find out!
Sorry, I can and will prejudge this based on the previous work by this producer on the series and the previous work of the director and Simon Pegg's Marxist viewpoints and that he's never done any serious drama work and Paramount's demands that Trek be made less Trek-y and the fact that Kirk and Scotty seem to be enjoying Beastie Boys in the trailer...
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
Is it really a JJ-Trek movie if JJ was uninvolved?
Good question. IMO, "JJ-Trek" has become the common term for the new movie franchise/universe. Even if he stops being involved, it is definitely the style of Trek he created. That said, he is still the producer of 'Beyond', so is not "uninvolved" on this one.
That's why I refer to it as the Alt-verse or the AR-Trek
I just call them the AR films. Same as I would say TOS films or TNG films.
Is it really a JJ-Trek movie if JJ was uninvolved?
Good question. IMO, "JJ-Trek" has become the common term for the new movie franchise/universe. Even if he stops being involved, it is definitely the style of Trek he created. That said, he is still the producer of 'Beyond', so is not "uninvolved" on this one.
That's why I refer to it as the Alt-verse or the AR-Trek
I just call them the AR films. Same as I would say TOS films or TNG films.
I like Nu-Trek myself.
The only problem with that is that we have a new Trek series coming out this year from CBS.
The CBS how will more than likely have a qualifier-title like The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine or Voyager
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Is it really a JJ-Trek movie if JJ was uninvolved?
Good question. IMO, "JJ-Trek" has become the common term for the new movie franchise/universe. Even if he stops being involved, it is definitely the style of Trek he created. That said, he is still the producer of 'Beyond', so is not "uninvolved" on this one.
That's why I refer to it as the Alt-verse or the AR-Trek
I just call them the AR films. Same as I would say TOS films or TNG films.
I like Nu-Trek myself.
I don't really like that one. They wont always be new, but they will always be an alternate reality.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Is it really a JJ-Trek movie if JJ was uninvolved?
Good question. IMO, "JJ-Trek" has become the common term for the new movie franchise/universe. Even if he stops being involved, it is definitely the style of Trek he created. That said, he is still the producer of 'Beyond', so is not "uninvolved" on this one.
That's why I refer to it as the Alt-verse or the AR-Trek
I just call them the AR films. Same as I would say TOS films or TNG films.
I like Nu-Trek myself.
I don't really like that one. They wont always be new, but they will always be an alternate reality.
Just so we're all clear, the purpose of an abbreviation is to shorten something. IMO, AR-Trek isn't going to be immediately understood by most people and will require an explanation, which defeats the entire purpose of abbreviating in the first place. That said, I think your earlier suggestion of Alt-verse is better. That pretty obviously means "alternate universe". So IMO, Alt-Trek and Alt-Verse are the best and easiest understood terms...after JJ-Trek, which is clearly the most commonly used term referring to this new movie franchise. There is really no other simple term you can google like that to get those results.
Also, your particular feelings about Trek in general, ARE NOT the where all/be all answer to how anyone else should feel.
If that were the case, then the Trek Fandom would be pretty boring.
So, as a Trekkie, Paramount saying "Star Trek Beyond is like Fast & Furious - IN SPACE!" Is a selling point to you?
My point is that if you keep giving hacks money they'll keep putting out the worst poo poo imaginable.
I mean it, I honestly don't understand how JJTrek fans could have sat through any other Star Trek series with all that dialogue.
You're still missing the point I'm making...
Just about every Production Company goes out of their way to create advertising for their product, that they feel reaches out to the largest number of potential customers.
While said advertising may not be appealing each and every time to my sensibilities, if the product is something that I have a passing interest in (or greater), I will save my final judgement for when I have actually seen/experienced the product in question and "not judge a book by its cover".
As it seems that your capacity for making judgements about things in general, resides in such a very narrow minded and intolerant place, I really don't expect you to ever get the gist of what I'm saying, but it would serve you well to at least give the appearance of being less petty while interacting with other folks who don't share your opinion.
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My point is that if you keep giving hacks money they'll keep putting out the worst poo poo imaginable.
Oh man, that would be so great! That is, if we lived in a world where someone making a movie you didn't like was actually "the worst poo poo imaginable". Because if a bad movie was actually the worst thing imaginable, there would have to be no murder, TRIBBLE, cancer, etc. Alas, I live in the real world with actual horrible things happening. That being the case, a "bad" movie isn't even *close* to the worst thing imaginable, and calling it that is only a ridiculous exaggeration.
Do we have to do this in every AR-Trek Thread? Can't we just have one AR-Trek thread were someone doesn't go into a diatribe about how it ruined Star Trek and is the worst thing imaginable?
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Do we have to do this in every AR-Trek Thread? Can't we just have one AR-Trek thread were someone doesn't go into a diatribe about how it ruined Star Trek and is the worst thing imaginable?
Anyone who thinks JJ-Trek is the worst thing imaginable has a pretty weak imagination
Anyone who thinks JJ-Trek is the worst thing imaginable has a pretty weak imagination
Either that or they haven't seen the Fantastic Four reboot.
Still not the worst thing I can imagine. Hell, it's not even the worst movie I can imagine.
The worst Trek I've seen was the pilot for Renegades. Made ST09 look like frigging Shakespeare. Especially the bit that made me stop, where two "characters" were "established" by having them sit next to each other, talk about how much they hated and distrusted one another, then tell each other their weaknesses and deep, dark secrets. That does not happen. Ever. You can Treknobabble your way around physics - but not around behavior.
So what's the big deal with Sulu having a daughter like its some big reveal? We already saw her in "Generations". I don't see what the secret is supposed to be? Unless Scotty is the mother or something.
well, Demora sounds like it could be a Romulan name.
Anyone who thinks JJ-Trek is the worst thing imaginable has a pretty weak imagination
Either that or they haven't seen the Fantastic Four reboot.
Still not the worst thing I can imagine. Hell, it's not even the worst movie I can imagine.
The worst Trek I've seen was the pilot for Renegades. Made ST09 look like frigging Shakespeare. Especially the bit that made me stop, where two "characters" were "established" by having them sit next to each other, talk about how much they hated and distrusted one another, then tell each other their weaknesses and deep, dark secrets. That does not happen. Ever. You can Treknobabble your way around physics - but not around behavior.
Wasn't that the opening? I tried to watch it and couldn't get past that scene.
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It's a "mystery box" - it might be Khan, it might not! Who knows? Only JJ Abrams knows and you can pay $10 to find out!
Sorry, I can and will prejudge this based on the previous work by this producer on the series and the previous work of the director and Simon Pegg's Marxist viewpoints and that he's never done any serious drama work and Paramount's demands that Trek be made less Trek-y and the fact that Kirk and Scotty seem to be enjoying Beastie Boys in the trailer...
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
By all means, judge away! Just don't think that your judgment actually determines whether the movie is good or not to anyone other than you.
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The only problem with that is that we have a new Trek series coming out this year from CBS.
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I don't really like that one. They wont always be new, but they will always be an alternate reality.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Just so we're all clear, the purpose of an abbreviation is to shorten something. IMO, AR-Trek isn't going to be immediately understood by most people and will require an explanation, which defeats the entire purpose of abbreviating in the first place. That said, I think your earlier suggestion of Alt-verse is better. That pretty obviously means "alternate universe". So IMO, Alt-Trek and Alt-Verse are the best and easiest understood terms...after JJ-Trek, which is clearly the most commonly used term referring to this new movie franchise. There is really no other simple term you can google like that to get those results.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
You're still missing the point I'm making...
Just about every Production Company goes out of their way to create advertising for their product, that they feel reaches out to the largest number of potential customers.
While said advertising may not be appealing each and every time to my sensibilities, if the product is something that I have a passing interest in (or greater), I will save my final judgement for when I have actually seen/experienced the product in question and "not judge a book by its cover".
As it seems that your capacity for making judgements about things in general, resides in such a very narrow minded and intolerant place, I really don't expect you to ever get the gist of what I'm saying, but it would serve you well to at least give the appearance of being less petty while interacting with other folks who don't share your opinion.
<smh>
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Oh man, that would be so great! That is, if we lived in a world where someone making a movie you didn't like was actually "the worst poo poo imaginable". Because if a bad movie was actually the worst thing imaginable, there would have to be no murder, TRIBBLE, cancer, etc. Alas, I live in the real world with actual horrible things happening. That being the case, a "bad" movie isn't even *close* to the worst thing imaginable, and calling it that is only a ridiculous exaggeration.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Anyone who thinks JJ-Trek is the worst thing imaginable has a pretty weak imagination
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Join Date: Sep 2008
The worst Trek I've seen was the pilot for Renegades. Made ST09 look like frigging Shakespeare. Especially the bit that made me stop, where two "characters" were "established" by having them sit next to each other, talk about how much they hated and distrusted one another, then tell each other their weaknesses and deep, dark secrets. That does not happen. Ever. You can Treknobabble your way around physics - but not around behavior.
My character Tsin'xing
My character Tsin'xing
Wasn't that the opening? I tried to watch it and couldn't get past that scene.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
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