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khan5000
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I'm relatively certain this movie will destroy itself. Apparently JJ Abrams had the gravitas to pull in some people in the past and make his name good enough for people to go out of their way to see it. I never liked Alias, Lost, Fringe or any of that stuff he put out because it was all plot twists and slick one-liners and stock characters and no soul - the "twitter" culture of movie writing.
Literally praising Justin Lin as the director of "The Fast and the Furious" on the trailer itself and then following it up with motorcycle jumps is sure to alienate a huge number of people who are otherwise interested in sci-fi - people that JJ Abrams might be able to attract - but I can't see as having a huge cross-over following with "Fast and the Furious" types. Maybe I'm wrong - but I was alienated from the new Star Trek after 2009 and I didn't bother to see Into Darkness until 2 years after release on Netflix.
I feel like we're living in an era where if the Godfather or Ben-Hur were made they'd have poor box-officer performance, get few good reviews and people would say it's dull and boring.
I have never seen Fast and Furious - I never will want to see it - and I'll never see it unless someone pays me to see it. So when Paramount says: "be excited! same guy as Fast and Furious!" they're telling me: "don't shell out any money for this."
Parmount thinks saying "Star Trek Beyond is by the same guy who made Fast and Furious!" is a selling point...
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
No, he directed the one with 28%. Regardless, the entire series is beyond stupid so if Paramount considers "omg Fast & Furious is so coolz I bet Star Trek fans will be attracted by the director omgrd!" is a way to sell Star Trek - then it must be, like Fast & Furious - Star Trek Beyond Stupid.
To Lin's credit, even Kubrick couldn't make a Fast & Furious screenplay get good reviews (because Fast & Furious is like the AM/PM hotdogs of cinema - not even worthy of an analogy to McDonalds (maybe AMPM hotdogs is generous - maybe prison cafeteria is a better analogy)). However, that Paramount even considers attaching the words "Fast & Furious" to Star Trek some sort of "good PR" tells us a lot about the movie.
I never saw it, nor will I ever see it, but here's a great review of it which would probably sum up what my reaction to it would be if I did see it...
I would rather watch Star Trek V repeatedly every day 16 hours a day for a month than watch Fast & Furious.
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
And that shows just how much I know about FF!
Seeing as how 5 and 6 actually got some good reviews, that truly is a complement.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Majority approval has nothing to do with the movie's quality, remember?
When did I say that? I said just because everyone says it's good doesn't make that true. By contrast, there's a pretty good chance that when everyone says it's bad, it's actually bad. Regardless - I'm not getting drawn into that discussion again.
For example, one of the "good" reviews of Star Trek 2009 on Rotten Tomatoes says this as a quote:
"An enjoyably mindless thrill ride."
This is, of course, not a description of any single Star Trek I've seen - not even Enterprise.
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert (2009)
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
So I'm going to wait and actually SEE the movie, before I either condemn or praise it.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Yes, the question of the quality of a movie rests within ones own thought processes...
The real question though, is whether or not those thought processes agree with the majority or the minority of people who have actually seen the movie in question and have publically expressed an opinion either way.
This then becomes the basis of showing the quantifiable determination of the quality of a movie.
So...,
If a ton of people spent a ton of money to go see a movie, it must be pretty good.... but you can still hate it if you want to.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
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Fast Five with made $626.1 Million at the box office and currently has a 78% on RT with 83% of the audience liking it.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_five/
and Fast & Furious 6 which made $788.7 million at the box office and currently has a 69% on RT with 83% of the audience liking it.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_and_furious_6/?search=fast and furious 6
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^^^ This poster pays money to have Paramount lay one out in his head.
I honestly had no idea there were so many Star Trek fans that really just wanted to watch a stupid action movie. I have absolutely no idea how they managed to watch Star Trek in the first place given that the vast majority of Star Trek - even in TOS - isn't very action-packed and is far more "though-provoking adventure" oriented.
I just watched "Schisms" again because I was bored and hadn't seen it in a while and this game reminded me of that episode at some point. I thought... "yeah... this is good - It has such a good creepy and spooky feel and really makes you pretty satisfied by the end. This is good storytelling - even if it doesn't really have much of a deeper point to it."
How does someone who can't stand watching a movie that doesn't cut to a chase/fistfight/spacebattle or otherwise every 4 minutes handle original Trek? I don't even get it.
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
"^^ This poster pays money to have Paramount lay one out in his head"
Why do you feel the need make negative personal comments about other posters if they disagree with you about a movie?
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I guess you'll just have to spend the rest of your life pondering that thought...,
Cause I'm almost positive that there's no way in Hell I could get you to understand beyond your own simple brain processes'.
BTW:
You need to reread AND Comprehend my post, I didn't express an opinion beyond giving the movie a chance, before making up my mind. IF that means Paramount is "...laying out one on my head...", then so is every other movie production company when I chose to go see their product in the theater.
I prefer to expand my horizons, not limit them.
Also, your particular feelings about Trek in general, ARE NOT the where all/be all answer to how anyone else should feel.
If that were the case, then the Trek Fandom would be pretty boring.
I.D.I.C.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Well, this thread is clearly about 'Beyond', which is a "JJ-Trek" movie. So if you don't want to see that type discussion, avoiding threads that are clearly about the JJ-movies is a good place to start
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Good question. IMO, "JJ-Trek" has become the common term for the new movie franchise/universe. Even if he stops being involved, it is definitely the style of Trek he created. That said, he is still the producer of 'Beyond', so is not "uninvolved" on this one.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
So, as a Trekkie, Paramount saying "Star Trek Beyond is like Fast & Furious - IN SPACE!" Is a selling point to you?
My point is that if you keep giving hacks money they'll keep putting out the worst poo poo imaginable.
I mean it, I honestly don't understand how JJTrek fans could have sat through any other Star Trek series with all that dialogue.
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
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As you wish.
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
That's why I refer to it as the Alt-verse or the AR-Trek
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
The reviewers who gave positive reviews are reviewing it within the context of the genre which is a genre of pointless action sequences for mindless entertainment. Almost none of them talk about character development or themes or anything else - they talk about it like it's a drug: "aw TRIBBLE, this movie will get you high dude!" That's the point of these movies. It's also something some people loathe about such movies. Star Trek never had that point - it was directed at keeping people engaged with a compelling narrative and compelling characters with compelling themes and some lighthearted adventure, comedy, and action to move the plot along.
If you judge JJ's Star Trek by these standards - the same standards you would apply to Fast & Furious - I suppose it succeeds, but it hasn't been judged within it's actual genre of thoughtful and engaging adventure storytelling about generally peaceful explorers who have the means and will to defend themselves against dangers.
I never watched Star Trek because I suffer from ADHD and need flashy action sequences every three minutes to stay awake at a theater - on the contrary - these things put me to sleep and bore me out of my mind - the first time I watched that "jump from ship to ship" action sequence in Into Darkness I was just thinking: "when will stupid sequence end?" so the same effect people get from watching Jane Austen movies I get from watching action and stunt sequences: zzzzzzzzz. I have despised the "action movie" genre since I was a kid, including Star Wars. There have been a few notable exceptions to this, like the Bourne trilogy which I heavily enjoy - but even that is more of a thriller than pure breed absurdist action/stunt theater.
"There’s so many action movies where the dialogue and the character scenes are just an excuse to get you to the next action scene." - Doug Lilman, Producer Bourne Trilogy
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
I just call them the AR films. Same as I would say TOS films or TNG films.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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