I read "Borg coop ships" and immediately thought of cooperative play. In principle I think it would be utterly hilarious. You have to have voice chat activated and be forced to listen to 500 other players moaning and yelling at you at once while you all trying to command the one ship.
The ultimate immersive Borg experience.
Even if nobody is talking there are still 500 voices playing through comms. hehe
Hey, hey. I did quit, I work for Starfleet now, much more rewarding gig!
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It's bad enough we have ships from other factions that I really don't think we should have access to, but most definitely, we shouldn't have access to anymore Borg tech than what we already have right now.
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I'm all for a borg faction if the players who join have no choices. Those obnoxious mission where you have to get this, flip that switch, fly your cube to this place. Make a game play an unending and mindnumbing sequence of directives. Ha Ha Ha You want to put Antiproton arrays on your cube? Nope. Upgrade your gear? That sounds like intiative; Go back to your alcove. Rather than naming a captain how about relying on the randomizer already in the game? TRIBBLE of Borg or Sum of Nothing sounds appropriate. 20000 zen sounds about right for such an awesome experience. Have fun.
In all seriousness I could get behind a featured story that would see our captain assimilated; According to the existing story we are the most ridiculous hero of the era so the aquisition of Picard/Locutus would pale in comparison. I feel there is enough space junk out there already (non faction ships) and the addition of yet another faction would take away from rather than add to the experience. I would like to see a resurgence of the Borg. They went from an implacable sinister force in early TNG, to a business as usual mutt, and finally as a jobber to the undine in the atrocious Voyager. Turn them around. Stop saying adapt and DO IT. Make these guys a worthy, terrifying villain again. If all people can think about is playing with your toys you have lost your edge.
1. I doubt CBS would approve.
2. They are too op.
3. Cryptic already said no due to the fact that cubes are too big to actually be used.
To powerful then what? Seriously we can fly Space Dinosaur ships which are more powerful then borg ships, we can fly Undine ships now which are more powerful then Borg's entire empire. And we are getting into Iconian ships which is more powerful then everything else. So how are they OP again? Mechanically they are not OP 1 ship can kill entire waves of borg ships in a few seconds faster then a minute. So again how are they OP? Seriously do you even comprehend what you said?
Points 1 and 3 are valid though, but Borg ships being to powerful? nah that isn't one of them, Borg are a joke now, you can laugh at them these days.
I could see a borg skin that is apply-able once you get to a certain rank in a reputation, or being able to buy partially assimulated starships that were rescued from the Borg. Although i could also see a vanity package deal for ship parts you can apply to your existing ships giving them some Borg-like design.
It is bad enough the we have Undine and Herald/Iconian playable ships, so no to Borg ships of any kind...
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If that's the only reason/argument for not having the Borg ships.
Because you know; that ship has already sailed. If we have totally non-sensial ships, like Undine/Tholian/Iconian ships, from which some of them are even less logical, than say, having playable Borg Sphere, then all this is, are people forcing their immersion their perception of immersion/canon onto others, saying 'I don't like it, YOU can't have it.' <--- Not a fan of that.
If people can have these previously mentioned ships, why we couldn't get, say Borg Cooperative Sphere? The way I see STO, is a theme-park. You can theme your ship/crew as pretty much anything nowadays. Dictating what others get to choose from, just because it breaks your perception of immersion and/or your (head)canon is a bit... err, yeah.
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It is bad enough the we have Undine and Herald/Iconian playable ships, so no to Borg ships of any kind...
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If that's the only reason/argument for not having the Borg ships.
Because you know; that ship has already sailed. If we have totally non-sensial ships, like Undine/Tholian/Iconian ships, from which some of them are even less logical, than say, having playable Borg Sphere, then all this is, are people forcing their immersion their perception of immersion/canon onto others, saying 'I don't like it, YOU can't have it.' <--- Not a fan of that.
If people can have these previously mentioned ships, why we couldn't get, say Borg Cooperative Sphere? The way I see STO, is a theme-park. You can theme your ship/crew as pretty much anything nowadays. Dictating what others get to choose from, just because it breaks your perception of immersion and/or your (head)canon is a bit... err, yeah.
I think you're the great thing in all these immersion posts - I get the impression playable Borg ships might help your immersion. :P
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I think you're the great thing in all these immersion posts - I get the impression playable Borg ships might help your immersion. :P
For the record, I personally think Borg Cubes would be silly. IJS.
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We all frame our likes or dislikes in discussion; We wouldn't be posting if we didn't feel we had a horse in the race. It's crude to say, "Because I don't like it" and leave it at that. It is no less valid than, "AWESOME!!!!" or "Yes please"; Either provides no justification but at least the former seems polite. Bad ideas are bad ideas; Personal preferences are dictating my qualitative assessment but just because something was a bad idea and has already been done doesn't mean other poor decisions should be made by default.
I won't embrace shark jumping by keeping my silence or smile encouragingly when, "Cuz I wantz it" drives a multitude of threads of this type be they Borg related or not. They are rooted in the desire to have stuff regardless of the impact be it to others players immersion, the disrespect they show to the people who fueled our imaginations or the asinine carnie satire it makes of the franchise as a whole. People shouldn't always get what they want. The suggestion that not validating these desires is somehow worse is preposterous.
I've got i!. Assimilated freighters. Work up an episode where you rescue a convoy of them from the Borg. Make the mission reward a tanky freighter with baked-in hull and shield regeneration bonuses, maybe a uni console that grants your shields an adaptation ability similar to the Aegis equipment. Maybe a 4/4 weapon layout, 4/3/3 console layout, and a BO layout similar to that of the Breen dreadnaught. And the console can be mounted on any ship.
If they do add Borg ships, I would hope it would not be the cubes. The cubes are entirely too huge. Maybe a Cooperative sphere or probes, but not cubes.
I could get behind the smaller spheres or probes. But not cubes.
Personally, I wouldn't fly any Borg ship for any reason. They're just creepy to me.
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It is bad enough the we have Undine and Herald/Iconian playable ships, so no to Borg ships of any kind...
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If that's the only reason/argument for not having the Borg ships.
Because you know; that ship has already sailed. If we have totally non-sensial ships, like Undine/Tholian/Iconian ships, from which some of them are even less logical, than say, having playable Borg Sphere, then all this is, are people forcing their immersion their perception of immersion/canon onto others, saying 'I don't like it, YOU can't have it.' <--- Not a fan of that.
If people can have these previously mentioned ships, why we couldn't get, say Borg Cooperative Sphere? The way I see STO, is a theme-park. You can theme your ship/crew as pretty much anything nowadays. Dictating what others get to choose from, just because it breaks your perception of immersion and/or your (head)canon is a bit... err, yeah.
Yeah, you probably will live to see a borg lock-box , but I still have the opinion that release these ships to the players is a fault. Especially Undine and Borg ships, these are driven differently than usual. Undine ship is organical, it's like animal, and has only one pilot, who is in telepathical connection with a ship. And borg ship has no bridge or something, it is driven by collective mind.
I remeber first winter event, where we get breen Chel grett, and 80% ships around ESD was breen. I think the people on Earth was a little bit scared ...
I am in a category of 'what ifs.' The Borg starships are definitely too unwieldy, mostly the cubes and tactical cubes. However, it would be nice if there was a material in the starship designer, that allows you to get 'Assimilated' skin on your starship without having the Borg set.
Another thing, is the Borg is definitely would be a lot more scarier if it wasn't so easy to kill them aka if they had better mechanics instead of being health sponges... ";...;"
The Borg needs another weird shape like a Pyramid or something like that... lol
The Rising of the Delta is the best expansion ever, and people love it to death because it is a good day to die in the endless struggle for supremacy of your own conviction. (A spin off of the Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and all the players love it.)
The Borg needs another weird shape like a Pyramid or something like that... lol
The Goa'uld wouldn't take copying their ships kindly and last thing we need is Goa'uld waging wars against Trill for "being the superior parasites". As if we needed more of dem worms. Trills are bad enough. Besides having playable chariots of the gods? We'd have both Illuminatis and conspiracy theorists (not to mention Giorgio Tsoukalos... but then I did mention conspiracy theorists already didn't I?) jabbing "here take ma money" as they'd join in the game.
Then we'd have those smart-a**es yelling "yo cryptic stole the ship from ma one dolla bill". Not to mention the egyptian minority would get offended, and we'd have a brand new pagan armada-cult that's worshipping the new ships. And last thing we need is more cults besides Dentals.
No, no. There must be something better. Something that makes moar sense.
Come to think of it... Yes. YES!
I want a Basestar.
There I said it. Basestar. I'd be fine with 8 hangar bays instead of it twenty or whatever, 32 of frigates instead of two hundred or whatever. I could live with 0.2 turn rate, after all not that much different from Bortas. I could live with 6 beams instead of fourty-something high yield nuclear devices, no biggie, what's the difference, eh?
Can I haz it pwetty pleez?
Uh-oh, it doesn't end up good when we put our personal tastes and immersion infront of common sense and good taste.
The Borg needs another weird shape like a Pyramid or something like that... lol
The Goa'uld wouldn't take copying their ships kindly and last thing we need is Goa'uld waging wars against Trill for "being the superior parasites". As if we needed more of dem worms. Trills are bad enough. Besides having playable chariots of the gods? We'd have both Illuminatis and conspiracy theorists (not to mention Giorgio Tsoukalos... but then I did mention conspiracy theorists already didn't I?) jabbing "here take ma money" as they'd join in the game.
Then we'd have those smart-a**es yelling "yo cryptic stole the ship from ma one dolla bill". Not to mention the egyptian minority would get offended, and we'd have a brand new pagan armada-cult that's worshipping the new ships. And last thing we need is more cults besides Dentals.
No, no. There must be something better. Something that makes moar sense.
Come to think of it... Yes. YES!
I want a Basestar.
There I said it. Basestar. I'd be fine with 8 hangar bays instead of it twenty or whatever, 32 of frigates instead of two hundred or whatever. I could live with 0.2 turn rate, after all not that much different from Bortas. I could live with 6 beams instead of fourty-something high yield nuclear devices, no biggie, what's the difference, eh?
Can I haz it pwetty pleez?
Uh-oh, it doesn't end up good when we put our personal tastes and immersion infront of common sense and good taste.
The only reason why I said Pyramid is mostly because of Star Trek Armada II, which were the Borg's Colonization Vessel in that game.
I know about Cyberpunk or Steampunk airships in this game just because, why not.. lol
The Cylon Basestars and Colonial Battle Stars... =P
The Rising of the Delta is the best expansion ever, and people love it to death because it is a good day to die in the endless struggle for supremacy of your own conviction. (A spin off of the Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and all the players love it.)
The only reason why I said Pyramid is mostly because of Star Trek Armada II, which were the Borg's Colonization Vessel in that game.
I know about Cyberpunk or Steampunk airships in this game just because, why not.. lol
The Cylon Basestars and Colonial Battle Stars... =P
The pyramid doesn't make much sense as well.
The reason why Borg had cubes (and supposedly only cubes) was that a cube it a decentralized entity. Shelby estimated it was still operable when 78% of it was disabled. Decentralization was a key feature of the Borg (which the writers erased in FC with the Queen). I, Borg showed Hugh crashing with a "scout ship" which was also a cube, only much smaller.
Armada with the pyramid ship really didn't get why Borg had cubes and just assumed "every shape will do". They also used Hughs ship as a "assimilator" - which makes no sense, as Hughs asymmetric ship also had and showed a purpose.
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It is discouraging for me to see the Iconian ships for players. These and the Voth ships are massive in comparison to the cruisers of Starfleet. I really don’t want a Borg Cube with 100k crew, it doesn’t even need to be a proper shape as ships would be a liberated crew comprised of Starfleet or KDF personnel. But something that says BORG would be appreciated.
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Even if nobody is talking there are still 500 voices playing through comms. hehe
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So many people signing up to be OP as all #$%* only to realize that life as a borg drone is really boring. Also, you can't quit.
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It's bad enough we have ships from other factions that I really don't think we should have access to, but most definitely, we shouldn't have access to anymore Borg tech than what we already have right now.
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In all seriousness I could get behind a featured story that would see our captain assimilated; According to the existing story we are the most ridiculous hero of the era so the aquisition of Picard/Locutus would pale in comparison. I feel there is enough space junk out there already (non faction ships) and the addition of yet another faction would take away from rather than add to the experience. I would like to see a resurgence of the Borg. They went from an implacable sinister force in early TNG, to a business as usual mutt, and finally as a jobber to the undine in the atrocious Voyager. Turn them around. Stop saying adapt and DO IT. Make these guys a worthy, terrifying villain again. If all people can think about is playing with your toys you have lost your edge.
To powerful then what? Seriously we can fly Space Dinosaur ships which are more powerful then borg ships, we can fly Undine ships now which are more powerful then Borg's entire empire. And we are getting into Iconian ships which is more powerful then everything else. So how are they OP again? Mechanically they are not OP 1 ship can kill entire waves of borg ships in a few seconds faster then a minute. So again how are they OP? Seriously do you even comprehend what you said?
Points 1 and 3 are valid though, but Borg ships being to powerful? nah that isn't one of them, Borg are a joke now, you can laugh at them these days.
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If that's the only reason/argument for not having the Borg ships.
Because you know; that ship has already sailed. If we have totally non-sensial ships, like Undine/Tholian/Iconian ships, from which some of them are even less logical, than say, having playable Borg Sphere, then all this is, are people forcing their immersion their perception of immersion/canon onto others, saying 'I don't like it, YOU can't have it.' <--- Not a fan of that.
If people can have these previously mentioned ships, why we couldn't get, say Borg Cooperative Sphere? The way I see STO, is a theme-park. You can theme your ship/crew as pretty much anything nowadays. Dictating what others get to choose from, just because it breaks your perception of immersion and/or your (head)canon is a bit... err, yeah.
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I think you're the great thing in all these immersion posts - I get the impression playable Borg ships might help your immersion. :P
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I won't embrace shark jumping by keeping my silence or smile encouragingly when, "Cuz I wantz it" drives a multitude of threads of this type be they Borg related or not. They are rooted in the desire to have stuff regardless of the impact be it to others players immersion, the disrespect they show to the people who fueled our imaginations or the asinine carnie satire it makes of the franchise as a whole. People shouldn't always get what they want. The suggestion that not validating these desires is somehow worse is preposterous.
I could get behind the smaller spheres or probes. But not cubes.
Personally, I wouldn't fly any Borg ship for any reason. They're just creepy to me.
2nd that no way.It is good thing they don't regenerate like in Starfleet Command 3.
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Yeah, you probably will live to see a borg lock-box , but I still have the opinion that release these ships to the players is a fault. Especially Undine and Borg ships, these are driven differently than usual. Undine ship is organical, it's like animal, and has only one pilot, who is in telepathical connection with a ship. And borg ship has no bridge or something, it is driven by collective mind.
I remeber first winter event, where we get breen Chel grett, and 80% ships around ESD was breen. I think the people on Earth was a little bit scared ...
BTW I like Star destroyer, why we can't have it?
Another thing, is the Borg is definitely would be a lot more scarier if it wasn't so easy to kill them aka if they had better mechanics instead of being health sponges... ";...;"
The Borg needs another weird shape like a Pyramid or something like that... lol
More terran ships
Can I get a Tie Advanced too? Ya know, so I can plonk that waadvaur (pretty sure I spelt that wrong) helmet on and feel like a true stormtroopa.
The Goa'uld wouldn't take copying their ships kindly and last thing we need is Goa'uld waging wars against Trill for "being the superior parasites". As if we needed more of dem worms. Trills are bad enough. Besides having playable chariots of the gods? We'd have both Illuminatis and conspiracy theorists (not to mention Giorgio Tsoukalos... but then I did mention conspiracy theorists already didn't I?) jabbing "here take ma money" as they'd join in the game.
Then we'd have those smart-a**es yelling "yo cryptic stole the ship from ma one dolla bill". Not to mention the egyptian minority would get offended, and we'd have a brand new pagan armada-cult that's worshipping the new ships. And last thing we need is more cults besides Dentals.
No, no. There must be something better. Something that makes moar sense.
Come to think of it... Yes. YES!
I want a Basestar.
There I said it. Basestar. I'd be fine with 8 hangar bays instead of it twenty or whatever, 32 of frigates instead of two hundred or whatever. I could live with 0.2 turn rate, after all not that much different from Bortas. I could live with 6 beams instead of fourty-something high yield nuclear devices, no biggie, what's the difference, eh?
Can I haz it pwetty pleez?
Uh-oh, it doesn't end up good when we put our personal tastes and immersion infront of common sense and good taste.
The only reason why I said Pyramid is mostly because of Star Trek Armada II, which were the Borg's Colonization Vessel in that game.
I know about Cyberpunk or Steampunk airships in this game just because, why not.. lol
The Cylon Basestars and Colonial Battle Stars... =P
LOL
Elachi sheshar dreadnought is very close to cylon basestar.
The pyramid doesn't make much sense as well.
The reason why Borg had cubes (and supposedly only cubes) was that a cube it a decentralized entity. Shelby estimated it was still operable when 78% of it was disabled. Decentralization was a key feature of the Borg (which the writers erased in FC with the Queen). I, Borg showed Hugh crashing with a "scout ship" which was also a cube, only much smaller.
Armada with the pyramid ship really didn't get why Borg had cubes and just assumed "every shape will do". They also used Hughs ship as a "assimilator" - which makes no sense, as Hughs asymmetric ship also had and showed a purpose.
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It is discouraging for me to see the Iconian ships for players. These and the Voth ships are massive in comparison to the cruisers of Starfleet. I really don’t want a Borg Cube with 100k crew, it doesn’t even need to be a proper shape as ships would be a liberated crew comprised of Starfleet or KDF personnel. But something that says BORG would be appreciated.Ships:
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