The summer board race is a bad joke. It doesn't matter what board you got, the race is decided by the silly flag-picking business in the end. Hitting the stupid flag is the real challenge in that minigame, the "racing" is just transport.
The flag-picking in winter race is pretty bad, too. But at least you move slower and have less wobbly controls there so you can jump-stop at the flag reasonably well. Still, the flag business is just plain silly and often results in people getting entirely different placement than they should.
And yes, I've heard all the excuses about lag and whatnot as to why the winner can't be decided by crossing the finish line. However, seeing as the world is full of multiplayer racing games where the winner is decided by crossing the finish line, it's obviously not impossible to do.
at least with the PvP race you don't have to win, you get enough tags to raise your epohh in just 3 races a day even if you come last providing you don't go out of bounds, so its easy to get your daily reward without needing to win, its a pity the same cant be said about the PvE race.
3 FatF races = 3 hours.
That's the problem.
3 toons x 3 hours = 9 hours.
It is not Alt friendly.
A some one else stated, 3 hours = 6 races.. In case you forgot, the F&F PvP race is at + :30 and :37. Completing the race will give you 2 Taggs per race; so there's the 12 Taggs for 2 Epohh research daily jobs..
Your comment about "It is not Alt friendly." Well, I run 9 toons daily. We made the alts, we run the alts. It's not Cryptic's responsibility to make sure the "player" can run any given number of characters thru the events. It's the Players responsibility.
"ALT FRIENDLY" - The T6 Ships, in the events are NOW Account unlock.. ONE toon can unlock that T6 ship or other event special reward regardless of how many "alts" you have. I really appreciate and thank Cryptic for the change to "Account" unlock.
The most important item, the T6 ship, is account unlock. Raising "Alt Friendly" issues because an event is to difficult to win, or "Bunny Hoppers' using exploits, for basically a "Vanity Pet", IMHO, is a personal issue; not a Cryptic issue.
Having and running Alts thru events, is our choice. Not Cryptics issue to deal with. imho..
You're still running into the same problem.
ICYMI, it was Alt friendly in the last 2 WE's.
Unless the Breen dialogue at the FatF start line was corrected, you can still see the old race times.
This wasn't an issue...until this year.
All I ask is to make it Alt friendly, again.
It can be done any number of ways, like including Epohh Tags in the rewards for the other activities.
Cryptic's "adjustment" caused it, so it is very much their responsibility to correct it.
It is not WAI...unless it's to discourage Alts.
NO to ARC RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
at least with the PvP race you don't have to win, you get enough tags to raise your epohh in just 3 races a day even if you come last providing you don't go out of bounds, so its easy to get your daily reward without needing to win, its a pity the same cant be said about the PvE race.
3 FatF races = 3 hours.
That's the problem.
3 toons x 3 hours = 9 hours.
It is not Alt friendly.
You want to collect stupid epohhs on alts, thats your problem.
It wasn't a problem in previous WE's...but it's a problem now.
BTW, some of us like playing more than just the 1 Fed toon
NO to ARC RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
at least with the PvP race you don't have to win, you get enough tags to raise your epohh in just 3 races a day even if you come last providing you don't go out of bounds, so its easy to get your daily reward without needing to win, its a pity the same cant be said about the PvE race.
3 FatF races = 3 hours.
That's the problem.
3 toons x 3 hours = 9 hours.
It is not Alt friendly.
A some one else stated, 3 hours = 6 races.. In case you forgot, the F&F PvP race is at + :30 and :37. Completing the race will give you 2 Taggs per race; so there's the 12 Taggs for 2 Epohh research daily jobs..
Your comment about "It is not Alt friendly." Well, I run 9 toons daily. We made the alts, we run the alts. It's not Cryptic's responsibility to make sure the "player" can run any given number of characters thru the events. It's the Players responsibility.
"ALT FRIENDLY" - The T6 Ships, in the events are NOW Account unlock.. ONE toon can unlock that T6 ship or other event special reward regardless of how many "alts" you have. I really appreciate and thank Cryptic for the change to "Account" unlock.
The most important item, the T6 ship, is account unlock. Raising "Alt Friendly" issues because an event is to difficult to win, or "Bunny Hoppers' using exploits, for basically a "Vanity Pet", IMHO, is a personal issue; not a Cryptic issue.
Having and running Alts thru events, is our choice. Not Cryptics issue to deal with. imho..
You're still running into the same problem.
ICYMI, it was Alt friendly in the last 2 WE's.
Unless the Breen dialogue at the FatF start line was corrected, you can still see the old race times.
This wasn't an issue...until this year.
All I ask is to make it Alt friendly, again.
It can be done any number of ways, like including Epohh Tags in the rewards for the other activities.
Cryptic's "adjustment" caused it, so it is very much their responsibility to correct it.
It is not WAI...unless it's to discourage Alts.
at the end of the day you are still likely to face the same problem if you don't get a tag every time you play the other activities due to it being score based or random.
even if only 1 tag is given per event you are still looking at a major amount of play time to acquire the 6 tags you need each day to raise epohh so your not helping your alts at all, you are still going to be looking at an hour minimum worth of play and possibly more per character and that's based on you still taking part in the PvP race.
you might gain an extra 2 or 3 tags in a day on each character but not enough to save you much time but maybe enough to cause you a whole heap of grinding, and if its score based or random you may go a whole day or more without getting any tags.
you would be far better off just doing as I do and just stick to raising epohh on only one character.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It would be nice if there were some sort of PvE method to gain tags, like Summer has. Rather than just PvP. Eh, whatever. /shrug
edit: it was also easier back when there were less Winter events, and the pvp race happened several times an hour, instead of just at 30-37.
if your raising monkeys the powerboard race works much the same as the winter PvP race and there are no alternatives to getting the Tropical Tags.
there is the tropical birds and the eggs can be found during the “Horga'hn Hunt” or purchased for favors but I have gone a couple of days doing the hunt and got no eggs and it still takes a considerable amount of time to gain the favors to buy one eggs if you are playing alts as well.
its very unlikely they will increase the frequency of the PvP race as they want players to take part in the other activities and they would clash.
they have carefully timed all the activities in the winter and summer events so nothing overlaps.
like I said before the only viable solution is to sell tags for winter items but it all depends on how much they would charge for 6 tags, you still might be facing a major grind to get enough items to buy the tags.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Put some tags on them and people might start doing that tower defense event people seem to have abandoned, people might still do cones but this is because cones is paying too well.
Cones isn't paying too well the rewards for everything else are pathetic.
its very unlikely they will increase the frequency of the PvP race as they want players to take part in the other activities and they would clash.
they have carefully timed all the activities in the winter and summer events so nothing overlaps.
Oh, I know. I was just saying that it was easier to get tags back when the schedule was just Snowball Fight -> Race -> Repeat. May have been more boring, but it was easier.
(None of this.... thinking about tags, looking at the clock and seeing it's XX:34, and it'll be over by the time I've logged in. Repeat several times a day.)
its very unlikely they will increase the frequency of the PvP race as they want players to take part in the other activities and they would clash.
they have carefully timed all the activities in the winter and summer events so nothing overlaps.
Oh, I know. I was just saying that it was easier to get tags back when the schedule was just Snowball Fight -> Race -> Repeat. May have been more boring, but it was easier.
(None of this.... thinking about tags, looking at the clock and seeing it's XX:34, and it'll be over by the time I've logged in. Repeat several times a day.)
I think there was only ever 4 races an hour two just after the hour and two just after the 30 minutes past and they had to drop 2 races to make room in the schedule.
having said that to be fair they gave us something as well, they made it so you get 2 tags for finishing, before that you had to get 1st 2nd or 3rd to get tags.
so they took away with one hand and gave back with the other.
and its like the other poster said its not cryptics problem if you insist doing it on multiple alts.
do like me, I logged in did 2 races back to back and I will do 3 more tomorrow and 2 the next day and so on, that gives me the 6 on average I need to raise an epohh on 1 character and that's plenty for my liking.
I can do 2 races when I do my ship race and if I do a third I can do it in the evening when I'm doing my epohh doff missions.
plenty of time during the day to watch a movie, walk the dog or spend some time with the family without having to clock watch, I can even log in and run some snowball fights and perhaps get a couple more races in to get ahead if I feel like it.
later in the event many races stop running once they max out the amount of tags they need till the event end so you will find it much easier to get a place or even a win and get extra tags this is a good time to think about doing it with extra characters if you still want to.
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Nice post, insult cryptic at the same time as asking for something. Atleast you didn't claim a disability and use it as a way to get Cryptic to give you free stuff.
It's not an insult if it is true: Snowpile goodies were nerfed to feed the almighty metric thinking people would spend more time in game being forced to do other things. Instead we just avoid those things. It's ggod that they can sometimes see what people are thinking about them and instead of depending on white knights they might want to reevaluate some of their behavior.
I didn't realise we could get those tags by digging in the snow. I remember I got some bolian candles and terran holiday ornaments this way but I don't think I ever saw an Eppoh tag.
Snow digging for those currencies wasn't available last year, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't available the year before. So it's probably three years ago that it was available and both New Romulus and Eppoh's didn't even exist back then.
I got ALL my Epohhs by snowpile digging! I don't have time to wait for the time gated content. I wonder where the idea that people want a game company to tell them what to play when came from?
Also I'm not collecting on Alts. I just wanted one of the two new flavors for pets, but don't have the time so I won't be getting them and spending less time in game because I dislike the manner in which I am being forced to do something rather than having alternative ways to earn the tags.
Nice post, insult cryptic at the same time as asking for something. Atleast you didn't claim a disability and use it as a way to get Cryptic to give you free stuff.
It's not an insult if it is true: Snowpile goodies were nerfed to feed the almighty metric thinking people would spend more time in game being forced to do other things. Instead we just avoid those things.
It's your loss. I tried the snowpile thing at first and it was ridiculously boring. Also.... what people say about bots was true. You'd see them in swarms....
Also, tags were so rare you had to spend an inordinate amount of time... or bot... to get enough for an eppoh.
I didn't realise we could get those tags by digging in the snow. I remember I got some bolian candles and terran holiday ornaments this way but I don't think I ever saw an Eppoh tag.
Snow digging for those currencies wasn't available last year, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't available the year before. So it's probably three years ago that it was available and both New Romulus and Eppoh's didn't even exist back then.
I got ALL my Epohhs by snowpile digging! I don't have time to wait for the time gated content. I wonder where the idea that people want a game company to tell them what to play when came from?
Also I'm not collecting on Alts. I just wanted one of the two new flavors for pets, but don't have the time so I won't be getting them and spending less time in game because I dislike the manner in which I am being forced to do something rather than having alternative ways to earn the tags.
WAI?
Are you sure about that? I started playing in 2012, May or June. I remember that the first event I participated in, that of 2012, had the snow digging. But I'm fairly certain they removed it the year thereafter as I remember that the second year I got there, I was wondering why I didn't get anything. No matter how much I digged lol.
Perhaps they lowered the drop rate though and that may be why I never saw an eppoh tag.
Pretty sure the snow piles never gave Tags, just ornaments, so instead of asking politely for a return of a previous feature, the OP is being a douche and wanting something put in that was never there before.
No, there were tags in the snow piles.
I remember because the snowballs were the only weapons I could use and once in a while I'd find loot.
Totally random, but you got them eventually.
We have more events now, but only 1 source of tags...major bummer, dude.
NO to ARC RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Pretty sure the snow piles never gave Tags, just ornaments, so instead of asking politely for a return of a previous feature, the OP is being a douche and wanting something put in that was never there before.
No, there were tags in the snow piles.
I remember because the snowballs were the only weapons I could use and once in a while I'd find loot.
Totally random, but you got them eventually.
We have more events now, but only 1 source of tags...major bummer, dude.
IIRC you got very little loot from the snowpiles. 100 times digging might get one tag and a dozen trinkets.
No thanks. When we could get holiday commodities and epohh tags from snow piles a lot of players set up macros to make their characters automatically dig the piles non-stop day in, day out.
Perhaps offer the option to do Tide of Ice or Cones of Conduct for tags? You could select between a box of tags and ornaments.
No thanks. When we could get holiday commodities and epohh tags from snow piles a lot of players set up macros to make their characters automatically dig the piles non-stop day in, day out.
Perhaps offer the option to do Tide of Ice or Cones of Conduct for tags? You could select between a box of tags and ornaments.
It'd probably be easier for the devs to let us trade trinkets for tags in the same way as the eggs.
I concur with above. I have ZERO incentive to do cones. Offering tags for it would be a start. Accolades would help too. PVP racing is just annoying anymore. The game doesn't generate enough zones automatically, so even with zone switching--you get stuck with some cracked-out macro-using freak who is bunny hopping his way to victory with undine gear.
Maybe the solution is to deactivate gear bonuses while the race is going on? Don't know how to solve the macro issue though, unless you would have a random map generated each time.
thought they killed this year 2 of WWL, this farming "was" an asset till they gave it the axe
Yeah it was introduced in the first QWW, back then the ways to get trinkets were minimal and the snowpiles were the only one that was easy for chars that didn't have a gun already.
Of course this was also back when trinkets were CBoP, and tags didn't exist. Then tags got added, and more ways to get trinkets, nad then no more snow digging.
Are you sure about that? I started playing in 2012, May or June. I remember that the first event I participated in, that of 2012, had the snow digging. But I'm fairly certain they removed it the year thereafter as I remember that the second year I got there, I was wondering why I didn't get anything. No matter how much I digged lol.
Perhaps they lowered the drop rate though and that may be why I never saw an eppoh tag.
Absolutely positive. I have never run the competitive race.
Pretty sure the snow piles never gave Tags, just ornaments, so instead of asking politely for a return of a previous feature, the OP is being a douche and wanting something put in that was never there before.
I would say that my response above proves that I at least am not a douche.
Pretty sure the snow piles never gave Tags, just ornaments, so instead of asking politely for a return of a previous feature, the OP is being a douche and wanting something put in that was never there before.
No, there were tags in the snow piles.
I remember because the snowballs were the only weapons I could use and once in a while I'd find loot.
Totally random, but you got them eventually.
We have more events now, but only 1 source of tags...major bummer, dude.
its true there were tags in snow piles but they were very infrequent and you could be digging for an hour before you got even 1 or 2 so how the OP things this is quicker & easier then the race and better for alts I don't know.
No thanks. When we could get holiday commodities and epohh tags from snow piles a lot of players set up macros to make their characters automatically dig the piles non-stop day in, day out.
Perhaps offer the option to do Tide of Ice or Cones of Conduct for tags? You could select between a box of tags and ornaments.
It'd probably be easier for the devs to let us trade trinkets for tags in the same way as the eggs.
as I have said this is the only option that makes any sense however you would still need the quantity and type of trinkets required to buy tags and this is hardly going to help as far as alts are concerned which is a major concern for some players.
having said that I don't get how the summer event is often sited for an equivalent for the buying tags option, the summer mission that most compares to the winter PvP race is the power board race that gives monkey tags and there is no buying option for these.
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
thought they killed this year 2 of WWL, this farming "was" an asset till they gave it the axe
Yeah it was introduced in the first QWW, back then the ways to get trinkets were minimal and the snowpiles were the only one that was easy for chars that didn't have a gun already.
Of course this was also back when trinkets were CBoP, and tags didn't exist. Then tags got added, and more ways to get trinkets, nad then no more snow digging.
omg, the farming bots on macro, lol, it was epic... hehe
@capnkirk4 It's not JUST about me not being great at the race. I am also tired of not getting enough people in Tide of Ice to mount a strong defense. Offering that as an option for epohh tags might draw a few more people in there per run.
I fully support this idea.
Currently - I don't bother with Tides of Ice. It's boring to me, and I am only looking for Tags.
Add TAGS as a possible reward... I'd be doing Tides of Ice. I know other friends who feel the same way.
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The flag-picking in winter race is pretty bad, too. But at least you move slower and have less wobbly controls there so you can jump-stop at the flag reasonably well. Still, the flag business is just plain silly and often results in people getting entirely different placement than they should.
And yes, I've heard all the excuses about lag and whatnot as to why the winner can't be decided by crossing the finish line. However, seeing as the world is full of multiplayer racing games where the winner is decided by crossing the finish line, it's obviously not impossible to do.
You're still running into the same problem.
ICYMI, it was Alt friendly in the last 2 WE's.
Unless the Breen dialogue at the FatF start line was corrected, you can still see the old race times.
This wasn't an issue...until this year.
All I ask is to make it Alt friendly, again.
It can be done any number of ways, like including Epohh Tags in the rewards for the other activities.
Cryptic's "adjustment" caused it, so it is very much their responsibility to correct it.
It is not WAI...unless it's to discourage Alts.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
It wasn't a problem in previous WE's...but it's a problem now.
BTW, some of us like playing more than just the 1 Fed toon
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
at the end of the day you are still likely to face the same problem if you don't get a tag every time you play the other activities due to it being score based or random.
even if only 1 tag is given per event you are still looking at a major amount of play time to acquire the 6 tags you need each day to raise epohh so your not helping your alts at all, you are still going to be looking at an hour minimum worth of play and possibly more per character and that's based on you still taking part in the PvP race.
you might gain an extra 2 or 3 tags in a day on each character but not enough to save you much time but maybe enough to cause you a whole heap of grinding, and if its score based or random you may go a whole day or more without getting any tags.
you would be far better off just doing as I do and just stick to raising epohh on only one character.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
edit: it was also easier back when there were less Winter events, and the pvp race happened several times an hour, instead of just at 30-37.
if your raising monkeys the powerboard race works much the same as the winter PvP race and there are no alternatives to getting the Tropical Tags.
there is the tropical birds and the eggs can be found during the “Horga'hn Hunt” or purchased for favors but I have gone a couple of days doing the hunt and got no eggs and it still takes a considerable amount of time to gain the favors to buy one eggs if you are playing alts as well.
its very unlikely they will increase the frequency of the PvP race as they want players to take part in the other activities and they would clash.
they have carefully timed all the activities in the winter and summer events so nothing overlaps.
like I said before the only viable solution is to sell tags for winter items but it all depends on how much they would charge for 6 tags, you still might be facing a major grind to get enough items to buy the tags.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
My character Tsin'xing
Oh, I know. I was just saying that it was easier to get tags back when the schedule was just Snowball Fight -> Race -> Repeat.
(None of this.... thinking about tags, looking at the clock and seeing it's XX:34, and it'll be over by the time I've logged in. Repeat several times a day.)
I think there was only ever 4 races an hour two just after the hour and two just after the 30 minutes past and they had to drop 2 races to make room in the schedule.
having said that to be fair they gave us something as well, they made it so you get 2 tags for finishing, before that you had to get 1st 2nd or 3rd to get tags.
so they took away with one hand and gave back with the other.
and its like the other poster said its not cryptics problem if you insist doing it on multiple alts.
do like me, I logged in did 2 races back to back and I will do 3 more tomorrow and 2 the next day and so on, that gives me the 6 on average I need to raise an epohh on 1 character and that's plenty for my liking.
I can do 2 races when I do my ship race and if I do a third I can do it in the evening when I'm doing my epohh doff missions.
plenty of time during the day to watch a movie, walk the dog or spend some time with the family without having to clock watch, I can even log in and run some snowball fights and perhaps get a couple more races in to get ahead if I feel like it.
later in the event many races stop running once they max out the amount of tags they need till the event end so you will find it much easier to get a place or even a win and get extra tags this is a good time to think about doing it with extra characters if you still want to.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It's not an insult if it is true: Snowpile goodies were nerfed to feed the almighty metric thinking people would spend more time in game being forced to do other things. Instead we just avoid those things. It's ggod that they can sometimes see what people are thinking about them and instead of depending on white knights they might want to reevaluate some of their behavior.
Thanks!
I got ALL my Epohhs by snowpile digging! I don't have time to wait for the time gated content. I wonder where the idea that people want a game company to tell them what to play when came from?
Also I'm not collecting on Alts. I just wanted one of the two new flavors for pets, but don't have the time so I won't be getting them and spending less time in game because I dislike the manner in which I am being forced to do something rather than having alternative ways to earn the tags.
WAI?
Also, tags were so rare you had to spend an inordinate amount of time... or bot... to get enough for an eppoh.
My character Tsin'xing
Are you sure about that? I started playing in 2012, May or June. I remember that the first event I participated in, that of 2012, had the snow digging. But I'm fairly certain they removed it the year thereafter as I remember that the second year I got there, I was wondering why I didn't get anything. No matter how much I digged lol.
Perhaps they lowered the drop rate though and that may be why I never saw an eppoh tag.
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No, there were tags in the snow piles.
I remember because the snowballs were the only weapons I could use and once in a while I'd find loot.
Totally random, but you got them eventually.
We have more events now, but only 1 source of tags...major bummer, dude.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
My character Tsin'xing
This, however, would be perfect:
My character Tsin'xing
Maybe the solution is to deactivate gear bonuses while the race is going on? Don't know how to solve the macro issue though, unless you would have a random map generated each time.
Of course this was also back when trinkets were CBoP, and tags didn't exist. Then tags got added, and more ways to get trinkets, nad then no more snow digging.
My character Tsin'xing
Absolutely positive. I have never run the competitive race.
I would say that my response above proves that I at least am not a douche.
My time in game is however.
I support the mat trading for tags idea as well.
its true there were tags in snow piles but they were very infrequent and you could be digging for an hour before you got even 1 or 2 so how the OP things this is quicker & easier then the race and better for alts I don't know.
as I have said this is the only option that makes any sense however you would still need the quantity and type of trinkets required to buy tags and this is hardly going to help as far as alts are concerned which is a major concern for some players.
having said that I don't get how the summer event is often sited for an equivalent for the buying tags option, the summer mission that most compares to the winter PvP race is the power board race that gives monkey tags and there is no buying option for these.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
omg, the farming bots on macro, lol, it was epic... hehe
I fully support this idea.
Currently - I don't bother with Tides of Ice. It's boring to me, and I am only looking for Tags.
Add TAGS as a possible reward... I'd be doing Tides of Ice. I know other friends who feel the same way.
I've won one race and been disqualified in the middle of the track in another?!
So yah, alternative methods to get tags would be a benefit.
Since when is frustration supposed to be fun?
My character Tsin'xing