Considering that the option to upgrade to T5-U was something of a "here's a chance to keep using your old ships, this is the best you're gonna get"...... yeah, I kind of doubt it.
because they dont make a tholian recluse T6? or a T6 timeship.etc...i have several great T5U...they are now handicapped relative to T6 ships
I don't see how. Almost all T5U already have max consoles and optimal boff sieges. The only thing you can have by upgrading to T6 is a trait and maybe an intel, cmd or pilot seat.
I am from Belgium and english isn't my main language, sorry if I make mistakes.
because they dont make a tholian recluse T6? or a T6 timeship.etc...i have several great T5U...they are now handicapped relative to T6 ships
I don't see how. Almost all T5U already have max consoles and optimal boff sieges. The only thing you can have by upgrading to T6 is a trait and maybe an intel, cmd or pilot seat.
this ^^.. most T6 have a special seat and/or a universal and an extra console slot
Once again, this community, even after more than 1 year of T6/T5U ships being out, still does not know the difference between the 2 tiers. Here are the differences, officially.
You have Tier 5. You have Tier 6.
Tier T5U has some of the perks of Tier 6 but not all. To put it in the proper light, think of it as Tier 5.5.
This game, going from Tier 1 thru current T6, ever since the game launched in 2010 and approaching 6 years of being live, has never, ever, ever allowed you to upgrade the same ship from one tier to the next. It was a new ship each time.
Once again, this community, even after more than 1 year of T6/T5U ships being out, still does not know the difference between the 2 tiers. Here are the differences, officially.
You have Tier 5. You have Tier 6.
Tier T5U has some of the perks of Tier 6 but not all. To put it in the proper light, think of it as Tier 5.5.
This game, going from Tier 1 thru current T6, ever since the game launched in 2010 and approaching 6 years of being live, has never, ever, ever allowed you to upgrade the same ship from one tier to the next. It was a new ship each time.
been here since launch. T6 was NOT here then.
to have added a T6 but not upgraded the "special T5's beyond 5U" is not too cool.
the lockbox T5 (and some others got 5U stats but still not 6.
there should be a mechanism in game to allow for transition to T6.
Since the introduction of T6 my poor VA Sovie has been left behind. Can't upgrade it to T5U, I hate the Regent and my fleet hasn't gone far enough for the fleet version.
Frankly they need to revamp the upgrade system. Instead of T 5 U have the upgrade go to T6. Heck as is the T5U upgrade is a rip off since overall you are paying more to get half way to T6 then getting a T6 ship.
T5U is basically t6 without a trait and no specialty slots. Theyre not going to go back and give every. Single. Lockbox, lobi, event, and promo ship a trait. Be thankful we get free t5u uogrades on them at all
T6 ships and all their supposed goodies are overrated IMO. That said, if there is to be an upgrade such as requested, it should be specific to event ships, Lock Box ships, and Lobi ships. Nothing more.
To echo a lot of others, T5U is barely a noticeable difference, if at all, compared to T6. The benefits to T6 are the trait (which is given to the captain, not stuck on the ship) and access to the specializations. In most of the end-game content, you'll see a large number of players still flying T5U without any problems. And in a handful of cases, the general consensus is that some T5U ships actually out-class their T6 comparables.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the OP got his wish, upgraded his fav ship to T6, and then suddenly saw it only had 10 consoles?! Buauauauu! :P
That's basically what it'd be, lol. If such a thing were ever introduced to the game, there'd be such a negligable difference in the 'upgrade' that it'd immediately be labelled a 'cash grab.'
Once again, this community, even after more than 1 year of T6/T5U ships being out, still does not know the difference between the 2 tiers. Here are the differences, officially.
You have Tier 5. You have Tier 6.
Tier T5U has some of the perks of Tier 6 but not all. To put it in the proper light, think of it as Tier 5.5.
This game, going from Tier 1 thru current T6, ever since the game launched in 2010 and approaching 6 years of being live, has never, ever, ever allowed you to upgrade the same ship from one tier to the next. It was a new ship each time.
been here since launch. T6 was NOT here then.
to have added a T6 but not upgraded the "special T5's beyond 5U" is not too cool.
the lockbox T5 (and some others got 5U stats but still not 6.
there should be a mechanism in game to allow for transition to T6.
T6 wasn't around at launch. YOU DON'T SAY
When the top of the line ships at launch were those Lv40 dil ships that everybody derides now, did you get an option to upgrade it to the eventual C-Store version of a ship that was released for endgame purposes at the time? Did you upgrade that Lv40 Dil / Promotion Token Assault Cruiser into the eventual C-Store Regent? Did you upgrade that same dil ship to the Fleet version?
To echo a lot of others, T5U is barely a noticeable difference, if at all, compared to T6. The benefits to T6 are the trait (which is given to the captain, not stuck on the ship) and access to the specializations. In most of the end-game content, you'll see a large number of players still flying T5U without any problems. And in a handful of cases, the general consensus is that some T5U ships actually out-class their T6 comparables.
The extra Lt. Cmdr seat that comes with T6 is very handy, I must admit. But the default 10 consoles at release (albeit they stepped away from that a bit), IMHO makes T5-U still very viable in today's endgame -- especially when everyone can kill everything 17x faster than needed anyway.
because they dont make a tholian recluse T6? or a T6 timeship.etc...i have several great T5U...they are now handicapped relative to T6 ships
Some manner of t6 timeship is kinda telegraphed, because they did not add that tipler using temporal dread to Counterpoint with no intent of getting peoples mouths watery.
That being said, Recluse and Wells are still kind of best in slot for many people...
I put my recluse to full science support, now that one can boost tor pspread tiem to global cooldown via terran rep, which feeds into ahod so you can get a good yield of that trait from only 2 tac powers....
Since the introduction of T6 my poor VA Sovie has been left behind. Can't upgrade it to T5U, I hate the Regent and my fleet hasn't gone far enough for the fleet version.
Frankly they need to revamp the upgrade system. Instead of T 5 U have the upgrade go to T6. Heck as is the T5U upgrade is a rip off since overall you are paying more to get half way to T6 then getting a T6 ship.
you know you can get the Regent and use the Sovy skin?
But a T6 Sovy is in the works
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Since the introduction of T6 my poor VA Sovie has been left behind. Can't upgrade it to T5U, I hate the Regent and my fleet hasn't gone far enough for the fleet version.
Frankly they need to revamp the upgrade system. Instead of T 5 U have the upgrade go to T6. Heck as is the T5U upgrade is a rip off since overall you are paying more to get half way to T6 then getting a T6 ship.
you know you can get the Regent and use the Sovy skin?
But a T6 Sovy is in the works
Once again, this community, even after more than 1 year of T6/T5U ships being out, still does not know the difference between the 2 tiers. Here are the differences, officially.
You have Tier 5. You have Tier 6.
Tier T5U has some of the perks of Tier 6 but not all. To put it in the proper light, think of it as Tier 5.5.
This game, going from Tier 1 thru current T6, ever since the game launched in 2010 and approaching 6 years of being live, has never, ever, ever allowed you to upgrade the same ship from one tier to the next. It was a new ship each time.
been here since launch. T6 was NOT here then.
to have added a T6 but not upgraded the "special T5's beyond 5U" is not too cool.
the lockbox T5 (and some others got 5U stats but still not 6.
there should be a mechanism in game to allow for transition to T6.
T6 wasn't around at launch. YOU DON'T SAY
When the top of the line ships at launch were those Lv40 dil ships that everybody derides now, did you get an option to upgrade it to the eventual C-Store version of a ship that was released for endgame purposes at the time? Did you upgrade that Lv40 Dil / Promotion Token Assault Cruiser into the eventual C-Store Regent? Did you upgrade that same dil ship to the Fleet version?
No, you couldn't.
The game never had before.
And it never will.
you are being argumentative.
saying "never had it, never will."
we never had t6 before we did.
when t6 implemented it left behind special ships. like lockbox ships that should be top (i.e. T6). this was over-looked when T6 was implemented.
Just allow us to upgrade ships like we upgrade all gear. I'm 100% serious.
This may require a rework of the ship system but overall it will improve the game and allow everyone to use their favorite ships, end result more fun for everyone.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
This shouldn't be an issue. Invariably old stuff gets overshadowed by new stuff. Most games do not let you upgrade that fancy Raid drop set you spent hours upon days to grind once the new expansion with its higher level gear hits, and you need to grind out for the newest set. This isn't much different. If anything, STO only requires you eventually give up the old ship for a new one; you can at least transfer over all your other gear and upgrade them as needed. In fact, they were nice enough to include a means to let you remain relatively competitive with your old ship until the new version comes out that you can upgrade to.
Just be patient; they will eventually go into T6 versions of T5 Lockbox/Lobi ships that can be bought or gambled for anew. The only reason they haven't yet is because of the silly crapstorm it's going to start. But they already proved they can do so; just see the JHSS/JHAS debacle and how silly it all was. It's just a matter of when.
Same goes for T6 versions of T5 Faction ships. All that needs to happen are new specializations and time. The former to grant more variety of Specialization choice to the ships and the latter to come up with a new ship that fits whatever the current theme, season, or setting is. That is of course, unless you want more Command Hybrid seats on almost every Faction ship (with Intel reserved for Cryptic-preferred Faction ships or non-Faction ships).
We can already upgrade most of our ships. Fact is, the vast majority of the ships in the game are available at T5, and a large portion of those can be upgraded to T5U. T6 is not a large upgrade over T5U, or even T5 straight.
That's what Cryptic said was going to be the case from day 1, when they anounced T6. And it's been that way. That's why most of the comments on the threads announcing the T6 refits of T5 ships are usually complaining that they're not enough of an upgrade to get people out of their T5s.
T6 is not above and beyond T5. I still use, and have in fact recently bought T5 ships. I bought the Aventine not too long ago, and the War Bortasqu' on Black Friday. Both are insanely powerful starships, and have no problem competing alongside - and in some cases, putting to shame - T6 ships in queued content.
Players looking to T6 for a noticeably-enhanced ship are going to be very, very disappointed.
It honestly blows my mind when threads like this pop up. Are we really, as a community, asking for Cryptic to boost T6 that much, so that we are effectively forced to upgrade or swap out T5 ships to play the game? Isn't this what the community rallied hard against when T6 was announced? Didn't the community demand of Cryptic not to make T6 in such as way as it would mothball our T5 ships?
Once again, this community, even after more than 1 year of T6/T5U ships being out, still does not know the difference between the 2 tiers. Here are the differences, officially.
You have Tier 5. You have Tier 6.
Tier T5U has some of the perks of Tier 6 but not all. To put it in the proper light, think of it as Tier 5.5.
This game, going from Tier 1 thru current T6, ever since the game launched in 2010 and approaching 6 years of being live, has never, ever, ever allowed you to upgrade the same ship from one tier to the next. It was a new ship each time.
been here since launch. T6 was NOT here then.
to have added a T6 but not upgraded the "special T5's beyond 5U" is not too cool.
the lockbox T5 (and some others got 5U stats but still not 6.
there should be a mechanism in game to allow for transition to T6.
T6 wasn't around at launch. YOU DON'T SAY
When the top of the line ships at launch were those Lv40 dil ships that everybody derides now, did you get an option to upgrade it to the eventual C-Store version of a ship that was released for endgame purposes at the time? Did you upgrade that Lv40 Dil / Promotion Token Assault Cruiser into the eventual C-Store Regent? Did you upgrade that same dil ship to the Fleet version?
No, you couldn't.
The game never had before.
And it never will.
you are being argumentative.
saying "never had it, never will."
we never had t6 before we did.
when t6 implemented it left behind special ships. like lockbox ships that should be top (i.e. T6). this was over-looked when T6 was implemented.
How are T5U ships 'left behind'? What content are they unable to do?
Since the introduction of T6 my poor VA Sovie has been left behind. Can't upgrade it to T5U, I hate the Regent and my fleet hasn't gone far enough for the fleet version.
Frankly they need to revamp the upgrade system. Instead of T 5 U have the upgrade go to T6. Heck as is the T5U upgrade is a rip off since overall you are paying more to get half way to T6 then getting a T6 ship.
you know you can get the Regent and use the Sovy skin?
But a T6 Sovy is in the works
well I the Boof layout annoys me on Regent.
it gains a tac and loses an eng?
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
We can already upgrade most of our ships. Fact is, the vast majority of the ships in the game are available at T5, and a large portion of those can be upgraded to T5U. T6 is not a large upgrade over T5U, or even T5 straight.
That's what Cryptic said was going to be the case from day 1, when they anounced T6. And it's been that way. That's why most of the comments on the threads announcing the T6 refits of T5 ships are usually complaining that they're not enough of an upgrade to get people out of their T5s.
T6 is not above and beyond T5. I still use, and have in fact recently bought T5 ships. I bought the Aventine not too long ago, and the War Bortasqu' on Black Friday. Both are insanely powerful starships, and have no problem competing alongside - and in some cases, putting to shame - T6 ships in queued content.
Players looking to T6 for a noticeably-enhanced ship are going to be very, very disappointed.
It honestly blows my mind when threads like this pop up. Are we really, as a community, asking for Cryptic to boost T6 that much, so that we are effectively forced to upgrade or swap out T5 ships to play the game? Isn't this what the community rallied hard against when T6 was announced? Didn't the community demand of Cryptic not to make T6 in such as way as it would mothball our T5 ships?
I want to upgrade all tiers of ships to tier 5U.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
How are T5U ships 'left behind'? What content are they unable to do?
They can't OSS3+SS3 while also triggering Suppression Barrage 3 and using Command Inspiration to shorten CDs! Clearly it's worse than... Than Intel ships being able to OSS3+SS3!
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I don't see how. Almost all T5U already have max consoles and optimal boff sieges. The only thing you can have by upgrading to T6 is a trait and maybe an intel, cmd or pilot seat.
this ^^.. most T6 have a special seat and/or a universal and an extra console slot
You have Tier 5. You have Tier 6.
Tier T5U has some of the perks of Tier 6 but not all. To put it in the proper light, think of it as Tier 5.5.
This game, going from Tier 1 thru current T6, ever since the game launched in 2010 and approaching 6 years of being live, has never, ever, ever allowed you to upgrade the same ship from one tier to the next. It was a new ship each time.
been here since launch. T6 was NOT here then.
to have added a T6 but not upgraded the "special T5's beyond 5U" is not too cool.
the lockbox T5 (and some others got 5U stats but still not 6.
there should be a mechanism in game to allow for transition to T6.
Frankly they need to revamp the upgrade system. Instead of T 5 U have the upgrade go to T6. Heck as is the T5U upgrade is a rip off since overall you are paying more to get half way to T6 then getting a T6 ship.
That's basically what it'd be, lol. If such a thing were ever introduced to the game, there'd be such a negligable difference in the 'upgrade' that it'd immediately be labelled a 'cash grab.'
T6 wasn't around at launch. YOU DON'T SAY
When the top of the line ships at launch were those Lv40 dil ships that everybody derides now, did you get an option to upgrade it to the eventual C-Store version of a ship that was released for endgame purposes at the time? Did you upgrade that Lv40 Dil / Promotion Token Assault Cruiser into the eventual C-Store Regent? Did you upgrade that same dil ship to the Fleet version?
No, you couldn't.
The game never had before.
And it never will.
The extra Lt. Cmdr seat that comes with T6 is very handy, I must admit. But the default 10 consoles at release (albeit they stepped away from that a bit), IMHO makes T5-U still very viable in today's endgame -- especially when everyone can kill everything 17x faster than needed anyway.
Some manner of t6 timeship is kinda telegraphed, because they did not add that tipler using temporal dread to Counterpoint with no intent of getting peoples mouths watery.
That being said, Recluse and Wells are still kind of best in slot for many people...
I put my recluse to full science support, now that one can boost tor pspread tiem to global cooldown via terran rep, which feeds into ahod so you can get a good yield of that trait from only 2 tac powers....
you know you can get the Regent and use the Sovy skin?
But a T6 Sovy is in the works
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
well I the Boof layout annoys me on Regent.
saying "never had it, never will."
we never had t6 before we did.
when t6 implemented it left behind special ships. like lockbox ships that should be top (i.e. T6). this was over-looked when T6 was implemented.
This may require a rework of the ship system but overall it will improve the game and allow everyone to use their favorite ships, end result more fun for everyone.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I doubt they would do it. Still, it'd be nice if you could at least upgrade Boff seating to utilize Pilot/Intel/Command powers.
Just be patient; they will eventually go into T6 versions of T5 Lockbox/Lobi ships that can be bought or gambled for anew. The only reason they haven't yet is because of the silly crapstorm it's going to start. But they already proved they can do so; just see the JHSS/JHAS debacle and how silly it all was. It's just a matter of when.
Same goes for T6 versions of T5 Faction ships. All that needs to happen are new specializations and time. The former to grant more variety of Specialization choice to the ships and the latter to come up with a new ship that fits whatever the current theme, season, or setting is. That is of course, unless you want more Command Hybrid seats on almost every Faction ship (with Intel reserved for Cryptic-preferred Faction ships or non-Faction ships).
That's what Cryptic said was going to be the case from day 1, when they anounced T6. And it's been that way. That's why most of the comments on the threads announcing the T6 refits of T5 ships are usually complaining that they're not enough of an upgrade to get people out of their T5s.
T6 is not above and beyond T5. I still use, and have in fact recently bought T5 ships. I bought the Aventine not too long ago, and the War Bortasqu' on Black Friday. Both are insanely powerful starships, and have no problem competing alongside - and in some cases, putting to shame - T6 ships in queued content.
Players looking to T6 for a noticeably-enhanced ship are going to be very, very disappointed.
It honestly blows my mind when threads like this pop up. Are we really, as a community, asking for Cryptic to boost T6 that much, so that we are effectively forced to upgrade or swap out T5 ships to play the game? Isn't this what the community rallied hard against when T6 was announced? Didn't the community demand of Cryptic not to make T6 in such as way as it would mothball our T5 ships?
How are T5U ships 'left behind'? What content are they unable to do?
it gains a tac and loses an eng?
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I want to upgrade all tiers of ships to tier 5U.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
They can't OSS3+SS3 while also triggering Suppression Barrage 3 and using Command Inspiration to shorten CDs! Clearly it's worse than... Than Intel ships being able to OSS3+SS3!