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It's time for lockboxship to be accoundwide
scrooge69
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with the new admirality system it would be really awesome to have those super rare ships on ALL your toons
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since the cards seem to be closely tied to the individual claims of the ship itself that probably wouldn't be easy
But how much of that is coming from redundant lock box ships? You could have stamped that comment out with the "why doesn't cryptic just hand out a lock box ship as part of a giveaway!" line of threads but I think you'll find that isn't the subject of this one.
You know, the same could have been said for event ships. "If you want it for all your characters just grind your brain into oblivion and lay yourself prostrate at the alter of sub-optimal requisition systems! Quit asking for free stuf!!!" But then we got the account unlocks. Why? Because not only is it nice but it makes the system more valuable. You get an account service (one that's very useful for alts), not just a one-off novelty.
That said, I'll throw out a more significant reason besides "Me big man on internet say no!" for why lock box ships probably won't ever be account unlocks.
It would just make them more common.
That's it. The point of the system is that these ships are so rare (see. lock box odds, lobi requirements) that they don't entirely replace the use of within-faction ships. For all the attention on paid to Jem'hadar dreads and Krenim superweapons, you're going to be lucky not to see a galaxy-x floating around ESD. Make those ships account unlocks and the number of available off-faction ships multiplies by an amount that may be excessive to the original agreement that allowed us access to more alien novelties in STO (see. cryptic's explanation for the Galor class and D'kora.)
Now you might think here: "well we've got plenty of non-fed/kdf/rom event ships. What's the problem with a few more for those that already own them on one character?" The frequency of event ships is much smaller than the frequency of lock box releases (3 a year versus, what, around 5? and this has been going on for a few years), and they aren't exclusively off-faction. So it's a manageable level of "WTF IS EVERYONE DOING IN A KOBALI CRUISER!?!" which, when coupled with a restrictive lock-box system, still makes saucer rockets, bird ships, and...klingon cruisers the primary flavors of choice. With so many more lock box ships available to accounts, account-unlocks might have the force to make faction choice a real problem (ie. in a more definite sense than is weakly advanced now by canon-pedants with little imagination. :P)
So, nice idea, functionally justifiable (I would certainly get a kick out of it), but in context it may not be a good idea.
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I would venture to bet that the odds of people doing that are about the same as getting a ship out of a box lol. The very few $ that cryptic would loss from multi ship owners would be hella worth it for the good will that they would get from the playerbase for this.
People would be more willing to attempt to get a ship/invest the time to earn it via credits, a heck of a lot more if they knew it would be account wide. Honestly if you think about it like this, lets say C-Store ships were never account wide, you had to pay $30 or so per ship per toon. How many ships do you think cryptic would have sold? Now lets say that they then make the C-store ships account wide, how much do you think that would suddenly increase sales?
From a business stand point cryptic has more to gain by making lockbox ships reclaimable account wide unlocks than they have to lose. Its the same reason they made crafted upgraded weapons account wide items, because your more likely to invest into the upgrade system if you can use the gear on diff characters, as such they could afford to make the upgrading gear much more costly to do. People would also love being able to claim and dismiss the ships at will like cstore ships, the dry dock system would still serve other functions like keeping the name and layouts etc saved but this would let us free up even more slots to fill with new ships!!!!
That would basically set Promo ships to about 38 days worth of Dil farming and conversion if only using one character. Less if using more. But this still benefits Cryptic in that it still requires players to obtain at least 1 Promo ship in order to make it available in the account store, and the time spent grinding will boost their metrics. And those that don't want to grind can pay full-up via Zen->Dil, or by gambling the Promo packs.
Grand prize Lockbox ships come out to about 14 days worth of Dil farming and conversion if only using one character. Again, benefits Cryptic.
Consolation prize Lockbox ships come out to a week's worth of Dil farming and conversion.
The exchanges and trade channels may take a minor hit in value, but not much given the Admiralty system still makes all ships valuable.
what else do you expect from someone with a name like scrooge69.
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The title of your thread states it is "time for them to be account wide".
Let me ask this question, what benchmark are you using to decide it is time for them to be account wide?
Per your thread, you stated with the new admirality system, demand has risen for ships.
Do you not think that Cryptic wants it this way? Demand for ships to increase? The admirality system helps increase sales and thus profits. Businesses do not do anything for free, it is to increase profits.
Help Cryptic make more content by buying lockboxes and open boxes.
I don't think after you sink tons of real $ or 100's of millions of credits you should have to keep paying for a ship, its just silly. While you could luck out and get a ship free or with little cost the average cost of these ships are massive by comparison to their C-Store counter parts.
I dont see the exchange or dil exchange taking a hit from account wide unlocks. Very very few people buy multiple of the same lockbox ships for diff toons vs the amount of total lockbox ships out there. Those who would buy multiple lockbox ships can take that money that they would have spent on a 2nd ship of the same type can now use those resources to buy a 2nd ship type they didnt already own! I own lots of T-5U lockbox ships i spent credits on, and what keeps me from getting them on diff toons is the high cost, its also what keeps me from buying many more lockbox ships.
This would also greatly help out cross faction accounts in the case of the temporal destroyer/science ship. Many people would like to use a sci ship on KDF/Rom but do to lack of sci ships they are SOL for options besides the dyson ships. How ever they might be like me and have those lockbox ships fed side, this would suddenly give people more reason to pick up these ships if they did not already have them.
Account unlocked lockbox ships is seriously a WIN/WIN for cryptic. It helps instill a feeling of trust into the economy, this helps both buyers and sellers do business. The happier people are with what they buy the more likely they are to part with $ in the future.
It would be a nice move on Cryptics side. It would TRIBBLE a few people who have gotten more than one copy of a ship, but they did the same thing to people who did 20 events on 20 different chars each day to get the Chel'Gret or the risian corvette on every one of them, or spent real money on the Nebula, Excelsior or any other ship they eventually decided to give away for free, so who cares.
Overall it's much, much harder in terms of ingame time to get ones hand on a lockbox ship, than it was three years ago, so they might show players some good will. I got my Wells, the Tuffli, the Marauder, JH Carrier and my Krenns all for <40 million EC on the exchange when they first came out. One lucky drop in Kerrat, one lucky crit while crafting consoles, a few battleship foundry missions and you had another lockbox ship. 400+ million EC for one of the more popular ones today? HF grinding that one in your lifetime.
Who knows...perhaps it might even stimulate the market, as players with lots of characters, who never saw the value in a single-char lockbox vessel would want them now.
You don't know how much they would loss... neither do i... simply guessing there aren't much multi lockbox ship owners doesn't work... maybe they make most of their money with exact those customers and thats the reason they don't change it...
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Its not really guessing, if people own more then 1 lockbox aka 2 of them odds are they are diff ones. Apply that to people have 2-X'many and you see how the statistics start to show.
Lets have everyone put in their own numbers to get some real feedback I'll start with me.
Lockbox ships owned = More than 10
Amount of duplicate lockbox ships = 0
Keep in mind I said, people who would be likely to buy 2 of 1 ship could use that money/credits to buy a different lockbox ship so cryptic would end up making the same amount of money. Also this would let people who have JHAS on one toon get them on their JHDC on a diff toon. Having to own all ships on a single toon for set bonus is f*cking stupid when 2 out of the 3+ ships prolly dont match that characters play style etc.
This fixes a lot of problems in many diff areas, it also would show cryptic cared enough about those problems to fix them. Cryptic looks better = More $$$$ for them. As I said before this would be WIN/WIN. There are tons of people who want galor weapons on a diff toon or JHAS pets for a JHDC on a diff toon etc etc, that put off buying those ships cause it was to much of an investment to get those ships just to have them sit there unused.
This would be a boost in purpose for the dry dock system, the quick ship swap system, the quick toolbar load/save functions. More ships used = a boost to already built systems utility.
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simple answer here, don't like the current system stop buying lockbox keys, you know the rules going in so you cannot expect more then what is publicised no matter what changes they make to the game.
you also keep saying about you are buying lockbox ships, you are buying lockbox keys there is a big difference, buying a lockbox key entitles you to nothing but the basic contents of the box whether you are lucky enough to get a ship as a bonus or not.
even if you are getting lockbox ships from the exchange that does not alter the rules, you know when you buy a lockbox ship from the exchange it is for use on one character only, if you was not happy with this fact your should not have wasted you EC in the first place.
if you think C-store ships are better value buy them instead of lockbox ships.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
and itf it was a naccunlock actualy more ppl would by a box ship cuz the greater use fore not only 1 toon ever thoguth of that @cidjack ? you posts are little offensive dude how can YOU come in here and post stuff liek this?
@duncanidaho11 you are right
This adds nothing to the discussion. How about: "don't like the current system? Make a proposal on how to make it better". I'm really tired of this "don't like it, don't play it"-argument. Feedback and player input is important. While I can see how the OP sounds like "gimme free stuff", @jtoney3448 took the time to explain WHY he thinks a change like this would benefit both cryptic and most players. And that's valuable feedback.
I have my point of view and I express it everytime this topic comes up, which is every week. Cryptic has not increased the price if keys, and are pumping out new ships faster and faster. To say prices are increasing based on items on the exchange ( where prices are set by other players) is not on Cryptic but on us as a player base.
Let me rehash two clear points:
Alts are just that, alternative ways of playing. You should be enjoying the immersion of the game in different ways per each alt. Cryptic has been nice enough to provide ways to level and each alt with less work. If you want each alt to have everything and play them the same, thats now on you and not Cryptic.
Lockbox ships: look my earlier post about Cryptic being a business.
And it is a small fee (rather than the 5000zen or 300k dil some uber-moneybags above have suggested). Of course, they also have thousands of lockbox items in that game, so those small fees add up.
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The ship itself ... lol good luck.
However if they became account wide unlocks like Event ships, then I would definitely be interested in trying to obtain some of them.
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