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What's up with Mirror Universe Non-Terrans?
yakodym
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Maybe I'm missing something, but is there any info on MU Klingon-Cardassian Alliance and the Mirromulans? Sure, if the Terran Empire could wipe out Mirror Iconians, they surely would have no problems subjugating either of these guys, or maybe they formed a Mirror Alliance?
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EDIT: There would at least be the Tholians for them to fight, since (probably) the Tholian assenbly covers interdimensional space, thus there are no "mirror Tholians" but just Tholians and they are very much still there. And even with Iconian miracle tech (which really is no miracle at all since prime universe players can use it without any hassle on a large scale) there is no way they could conquer their whole universe, they wouldn't even have the manpower to do so,
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At best take the STO map... make it all yellow... boom... that's Terran Space.
That's not entirely accurate though, is it? The Terran Empire didn't conquer the entire universe. They might have conquered the quadrant, maybe even their Galaxy, but the entire Universe? Naah.
This whole Tholian thing doesn't make sense to me. There have to be Mirror Tholians, I'm struggling to understand how the same Tholian can exist in multiple parallel universes. If that were truly the case, then they'd never care about what's going on elsewhere in the Galaxy, and our Tholians wouldn't have signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion.
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I think the background story is that there once were indeed two Tholian Assemblies, but they inhabit an area of space that has generally weaker boundaries between the universes. At one point, they breached those, found their mirror (or prime) versions, and instead of trying to blow each other up a la Terran Empire-Federation style, they joined their governments into a single Tholian Assembly.
At one point, they will stop having Mirror versions of each person, since they will start to mix the populations and interbreed (so to say). So two Tholian species are effectively merged into one.
Now add in the fact that the Tholians are big players in the Temporal Cold War, so they have time travel, and the merging point is no longer possible to determine.
Anyway, there is one Tholian Assembly occupying the same area in two universes, which makes it a bit hard for them to always distinguish stuff from one universe from the other. They never really were aggressive, but mostly xenophobic. They also are very much interested in any form of technology they do not yet posess. They also got their own borders to protect, just like Switzerland in real life still having an army and trading with other countries, despite their neutrality. Hence why they do care about the rest of the universe and why they did sign that non-aggresion pact with the Dominion. They were defending their own interests.
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the alliance will be a sub faction
As for the Tholians, they probably conquered the mirror Tholians (or vice versa) long ago, and now they travel between the two universes so often that it's basically one Assembly now.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
The same will be done with Mirror KDF survivors.
Conveniently, all survivors are friendly versions of the enemy NPCs we've killed, so it's not like they're trying to replace an identical prime counterpart.
IIRC Leeta says they conquered all the enemies in their universe, not the whole universe itself. Since we've only ever seen the "local" races in the mirror universe, that statement may not be as all-encompassing as it sounds. The Terran Empire is obviously not very exploration-centric.
"We've already conquered everyone else in our reality. Yours will fall easily."
Seems pretty specific to me.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
The mirror stuff, well! it is a joke (not really funny). I hope, that the new episode won't be as crappy than the delta and iconian episodes.
^this....without contact/interference with the delta and gamma quadrants its hardly a stretch to believe the Terrans took over most of the alpha and beta quadrants
also without Q's meddling it was implied that the Borg would have arrived much later so its possible the Terrans don't need to contend with them either
Holy smokes, that could be the next step in STO development: Instead of the factions being FED vs. KDF, it could become Prime vs. Mirror, with both sides having essentialy the same races, but mirrorized
Saying that you've conquered the universe just sounds more grandiose and is the kind of thing that a posturing megalomaniac would say, keep that in mind
My character Tsin'xing
* They've gone back in time to save the Terran Empire from the Mirror Iconian Invasion.
* They've given the Terran Empire super cool space stuff which has allowed them to conquer their neighbouring states (Klingon-Cardassian Alliance, Romulan Empire, etc..)
* Leeta uses SCIENCE to defeat the Iconians and TRIBBLE around with the timeline so the Empire goes from Yellow to Red.
* Terran Empire has a civil war in which Leeta's mob has the advantage.
* Leeta's mob wins ( Yet she's not the Empress of the Empire ? )
* Terran Empire is attacking the prime universe (Badly!)
I don't think so. The point here is, who controls the Badlands, controls the most convenient place in this part of the Galaxy to move entire fleets through dimensions. In the MU, Terrans probably firmly control this part of the quadrant, but they most certainly don't control the whole quadrant, nor the galaxy. Maybe other species have acquired the same future tech and Terrans can't expand easily in their own universe, so they picked ours.
Mirror Romulans/Klingons/Whatever probably continue to mind their own business in MU, maybe they are even happy Terrans are focusing their efforts towards another universe. They might eventually help us if Terrans start winning too much (they want Terrans to waste their energy pointlessly, not to build a huge interdimensional empire and acquire even more tech and resources).
Well we didn't fall easily so obviously that is exaggerated...but no...I imagine the first half of what she said was a 100% true and the Terrans conquered the universe!