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Sunrise & Stormbound: Closer to canon than you know.

kovabombkovabomb Member Posts: 52 Arc User
edited November 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I took the time to do some research on http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main and re-watched a few Star Trek episodes. The events in the new STO episodes are deeply tied into the show canon.

In TNG 3x19 "Captain's Holiday," Kal Dano is mentioned by name as the 27th century inventor of the Tox Uthat and the device is described as a quantum phase inhibitor, crystalline in appearance, fitting in the palm of the hand, and capable of halting all nuclear fusion in a star. Captain Picard ultimately destroys the device when the Vorgon thieves try to claim it.

In ENT 2x16 "Future Tense," a wrecked 31st century time ship, matching the one we see Kal Dano pilot in STO, is encountered by the NX-01 Enterprise. The dead pilot was mostly human with a mix of Vulcan and then-unknown DNA. The Tholians and the Sulibans both try to claim the ship. Ultimately, the ship and dead pilot was returned to it's proper time.

The developers have managed to tie together two seemingly unrelated events of the show's canon. It would appear that after the Vorgons tried to steal Kal Dano's invention in his home time, he was visited by Temporal Agent Daniels and given access to the time ship to hide the device from those who would abuse the Tox Uthat's power. The rest is STO history.
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    berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    Yep. This has been the topic of discussion for a while now. Cool, huh?
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    grtiggygrtiggy Member Posts: 444 Arc User
    QUESTION!...

    Why the hell did Kal Dano not just destroy the device in the first place rather than just hide it????
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    kovabombkovabomb Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    grtiggy wrote: »
    QUESTION!...

    Why the hell did Kal Dano not just destroy the device in the first place rather than just hide it????

    What creator would immediately what to destroy his creation? We saw the good it could do in restarting a star. Like all things, the device was capable of great good and great evil. The hope of using it for good is what preserved it for so long.
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    lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    kovabomb wrote: »
    I took the time to do some research on http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main and re-watched a few Star Trek episodes. The events in the new STO episodes are deeply tied into the show cannon.

    In TNG 3x19 "Captain's Holiday," Kal Dano is mentioned by name as the 27th century inventor of the Tox Uthat and the device is described as a quantum phase inhibitor, crystalline in appearance, fitting in the palm of the hand, and capable of halting all nuclear fusion in a star. Captain Picard ultimately destroys the device when the Vorgon thieves try to claim it.

    In ENT 2x16 "Future Tense," a wrecked 31st century time ship, matching the one we see Kal Dano pilot in STO, is encountered by the NX-01 Enterprise. The dead pilot was mostly human with a mix of Vulcan and then-unknown DNA. The Tholians and the Sulibans both try to claim the ship. Ultimately, the ship and dead pilot was returned to it's proper time.

    The developers have managed to tie together two seemingly unrelated events of the show's cannon. It would appear that after the Vorgons tried to steal Kal Dano's invention in his home time, he was visited by Temporal Agent Daniels and given access to the time ship to hide the device from those who would abuse the Tox Uthat's power. The rest is STO history.

    They did a very good job with the two episodes.
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    officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    edited November 2015
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    jim625jim625 Member Posts: 907 Arc User
    and it would be cool to tell your star trek buddies (who havn't played sto yet) that it was you all along lol ^^
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    talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    It was a nice touch. And the reason why Kal Dano didn't destroy it, was because it was already destroyed in history by Picard, so he had to preserve the time line.

    Let's buckle in people, we got some more things in time to deal with.
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    theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,986 Arc User
    talonxv wrote: »
    It was a nice touch. And the reason why Kal Dano didn't destroy it, was because it was already destroyed in history by Picard, so he had to preserve the time line.

    Let's buckle in people, we got some more things in time to deal with.

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      straden0straden0 Member Posts: 78 Arc User
      edited November 2015
      One thing that seems to be nagging me though is the Tholians. They seem to be continuously messing with interdimensional/timeline things and getting away clean with it regarding the rest of the interstellar community.

      I mean, the alliance should really clamp down and spank them for messing with stuff like this, as it obviously causes grave ramifications for everyone. I'm not trying to beat war drums for STO again as we just got whooped by the Iconians(Not really lol)..

      But if the Federation and the CrtH/CrtD Romulans are hesitant to do anything about it, I'd put my stake in the Empire to roll through Tholian territory and give them a good thrashing.

      That is all.
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      gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
      edited November 2015
      I'm a little confused by the story. In the mission I'm fighting and suddenly Kal's craft hurtles by piping out a Mayday. Each time I've played the episode it happens.

      So how did Kal die? And his Mayday signal worked in the STO era but not the ENT era? Seems to be since the timeship could only track him to the STO era.

      Am I missing anything?
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      samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
      He died shortly after travelling through the rift but honestly he should be bones by now at best unless the ship was in a vacuum, which is likely.

      You'd think they could've beamed him back before he died of his injuries but even future tech isn't perfect I guess.
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      gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
      samt1996 wrote: »
      He died shortly after travelling through the rift but honestly he should be bones by now at best unless the ship was in a vacuum, which is likely.

      You'd think they could've beamed him back before he died of his injuries but even future tech isn't perfect I guess.

      Thanks. Animations of internal ships malfunctions and some Trek babble about the cause of death would be helpful.
      But I appreciate attempts to integrate episodes in story.

      I was actually also confused, and bummed, that they introduced a new character built some story and snuffled him out fairly quickly. I thought they would have had a few more episodes or stories with him.
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      lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
      Starting to hate time travel...it never makes any sense
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      bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
      lianthelia wrote: »
      Starting to hate time travel...it never makes any sense

      It makes sense as long as you don't think time is linear.
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      tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
      gerwalk0769 wrote: »
      samt1996 wrote: »
      He died shortly after travelling through the rift but honestly he should be bones by now at best unless the ship was in a vacuum, which is likely.

      You'd think they could've beamed him back before he died of his injuries but even future tech isn't perfect I guess.

      Thanks. Animations of internal ships malfunctions and some Trek babble about the cause of death would be helpful.
      But I appreciate attempts to integrate episodes in story.

      I was actually also confused, and bummed, that they introduced a new character built some story and snuffled him out fairly quickly. I thought they would have had a few more episodes or stories with him.

      Thing about time travel and people from the future is, they're never "dead". He could constantly come back to our time lol.
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      tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
      I do have to wonder about the Temporal ship that showed up after Dano was lost.

      "Responding" to a distress call, with guns blazing... and no concideraton for how their rash actions could affect the future...
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      seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
      bioixi wrote: »
      lianthelia wrote: »
      Starting to hate time travel...it never makes any sense

      It makes sense as long as you don't think time is linear.

      Lovely quote from Bioshock Infinite regarding time:

      "Time is more an ocean than a river".

      The way I interpret that is basically that if you change something early doesn't mean events later are affected. It works in this case, where an object from the future was brought to the past and destroyed.
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      dheffernandheffernan Member Posts: 93 Arc User
      edited November 2015
      "kovabomb wrote: »
      The developers have managed to tie together two seemingly unrelated events of the show's canon.

      What, like that took effort?

      This kind of stuff isn't cute, or clever, or creative. It's trite and frankly, downright tragic that with the nigh-unlimited possibilities in the Trek setting this was all the Cryptic team could come up with. Working in a third timewank (the Na'Kuhl are Vosk's people from ENT) just rubbed salt in the wound.

      "Stormbound" is just horrible. It's so distasteful I'm not going to run it again, not even for spec points. You recover the "Tox Uthat" after it's been used against the Na'kuhl's star and...don't even try to use it to save the star. You just run off and hide it. This, of course, means the player-character is now responsible for creating two of the worst factions in the Temporal Cold War. Aside from probably killing billions, that is.
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      azmodeasazmodeas Member Posts: 132 Arc User
      Also of note the Na'kuhl species we see in stormbound. Are also the same Aliens we see helping the TRIBBLE's in the Enterprise Season four Episode StormFront. Overall I appreciated Cryptic's weaving of trek lore into this feature episode series so far. Still was not a fan of the whole Temporal Cold War story arc from Enterprise... but it's interesting and so far better then the farce of a war we had last season.

      Blowing up a sun, killing millions while on paper this looks as bad as Thalaron weaponry and kicking puppies and nuclear carpet bombing planets. It also has involved time travel. Watch some magical space wizardry dues ex machina come into play where things get righted. So wouldn't sweat that we have done some royally evil stuff so far.
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      tomoyosakagami1tomoyosakagami1 Member Posts: 146 Arc User
      To think, my future self was helping Kal Dano hide the Tax Uthat while I was watching that same episode in ENG where Archer found him.
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      peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
      lucho80 wrote: »
      kovabomb wrote: »
      I took the time to do some research on http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main and re-watched a few Star Trek episodes. The events in the new STO episodes are deeply tied into the show cannon.

      In TNG 3x19 "Captain's Holiday," Kal Dano is mentioned by name as the 27th century inventor of the Tox Uthat and the device is described as a quantum phase inhibitor, crystalline in appearance, fitting in the palm of the hand, and capable of halting all nuclear fusion in a star. Captain Picard ultimately destroys the device when the Vorgon thieves try to claim it.

      In ENT 2x16 "Future Tense," a wrecked 31st century time ship, matching the one we see Kal Dano pilot in STO, is encountered by the NX-01 Enterprise. The dead pilot was mostly human with a mix of Vulcan and then-unknown DNA. The Tholians and the Sulibans both try to claim the ship. Ultimately, the ship and dead pilot was returned to it's proper time.

      The developers have managed to tie together two seemingly unrelated events of the show's cannon. It would appear that after the Vorgons tried to steal Kal Dano's invention in his home time, he was visited by Temporal Agent Daniels and given access to the time ship to hide the device from those who would abuse the Tox Uthat's power. The rest is STO history.

      They did a very good job with the two episodes.

      I think so as well.
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      rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
      tousseau wrote: »
      I do have to wonder about the Temporal ship that showed up after Dano was lost.

      "Responding" to a distress call, with guns blazing... and no concideraton for how their rash actions could affect the future...

      The thing is that they received the distress call, took the time to drink a cup of coffee, investigated what happened in that time, had a holodeck mailfunction that had to be fixed first, three weddings, Captain Picard day and then they decided to show up, knowing that blowing up some Tholians would not injure the timeline. Or would injure it the least.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to get some aspirin.
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      warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
      samt1996 wrote: »
      He died shortly after travelling through the rift but honestly he should be bones by now at best unless the ship was in a vacuum, which is likely.

      You'd think they could've beamed him back before he died of his injuries but even future tech isn't perfect I guess.

      You'd think so, but no. Because the crew of the Enterprise NX-01 activate the ship's temporal beacon, allowing the future people to locate and recover it, long after he was dead. If they tried to recover the ship from a previous time, the Enterprise couldn't have found it and activated the beacon, thus the future people wouldn't even know about it. Grandfather paradox.
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      tousseau wrote: »
      I do have to wonder about the Temporal ship that showed up after Dano was lost.

      "Responding" to a distress call, with guns blazing... and no concideraton for how their rash actions could affect the future...

      The thing is that they received the distress call, took the time to drink a cup of coffee, investigated what happened in that time, had a holodeck mailfunction that had to be fixed first, three weddings, Captain Picard day and then they decided to show up, knowing that blowing up some Tholians would not injure the timeline. Or would injure it the least.
      Or, knowing that the invincible Player Ship would've killed all the Tholians in a few moments anyway, decided that coming to "help" and using that as an excuse to ask what happened was no problem at all.

      Or, its yet another predestination paradox and they came because their history books said they were there.
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      thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
      Haven't they been using random elements and plotlines from the shows for a long time? How is this suddenly suprising?
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      They're exactly as canon as I know.​​
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      lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
      grtiggy wrote: »
      QUESTION!...

      Why the hell did Kal Dano not just destroy the device in the first place rather than just hide it????
      No, the real question is why he ran off and hid the thing right after recovering it instead of fixing the damn star. He's either an absolute twit who should be kept away from stairs, sharp objects and kiddy-strength inverse neutrino fields... or he's an amoral mastermind who knew exactly what the consequences were.

      The latter option also makes him responsible for the Space TRIBBLE plot, by the way. Just saying.
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      kianazerokianazero Member Posts: 247 Arc User
      kovabomb wrote: »
      grtiggy wrote: »
      QUESTION!...

      Why the hell did Kal Dano not just destroy the device in the first place rather than just hide it????

      What creator would immediately what to destroy his creation? We saw the good it could do in restarting a star. Like all things, the device was capable of great good and great evil. The hope of using it for good is what preserved it for so long.

      Restarting a star? Whoa, so it's like the Star Generator from Space Quest?
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      gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
      lopequil wrote: »
      grtiggy wrote: »
      QUESTION!...

      Why the hell did Kal Dano not just destroy the device in the first place rather than just hide it????
      No, the real question is why he ran off and hid the thing right after recovering it instead of fixing the damn star. He's either an absolute twit who should be kept away from stairs, sharp objects and kiddy-strength inverse neutrino fields... or he's an amoral mastermind who knew exactly what the consequences were.

      The latter option also makes him responsible for the Space TRIBBLE plot, by the way. Just saying.

      Speaking of that plot...we know that Kal Dano's ancestry includes human, Vulcan, and Lukari. However, there does seem to be a little something else there, and despite what should have been a biological impossibility (as much or even more than human-Vulcan mating ought to be ;) ), I am actually wondering if the "other" that I am seeing is a slight trace of Na'kuhl. O_O Which, if so, would be a SUPREME irony given Na'kuhl xenophobia...that someone of their own line invented the Tox Uthat.

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      chastity1337chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
      Wasn't there a Voyager episode where Janeway goes off on a rant about how much she hates temporal anomalies?
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