Considering you know squat about anyone I know, I'm not sure how you can make that statement?
Oh that's easy; it's because despite your claim, people buy things that they like. If in two or three years time there is a T7 Galaxy, or a T7 Intrepid that someone (maybe one of the people you know) likes, then they're going to buy it, regardless of what they say now.
If people are doing the upgrade from T5 to T6, then by that very definition, they're going to upgrade from T6 to T7. If they weren't concerned with the power creep, then they wouldn't have gone from T5 to T6 in the first place, they'd have retained their T5 ships instead.
Sure I dont see T7s anytime "soon" but I do think they will come... and I think it'll come with the next level cap increase. All MMOs I have played have level cap increases... each expansion comes with new shineys that make the old must have items old and no longer the Bee's Knees. If they did a new rep faction and all the gear and powers were all WEAKER than the stuff previously... would you grind it and use it? No you would not. <-Honest Golden Truth Is 2017 too soon? I think 2017 would be just right... maybe winter of 2017 or spring of 2018 to coincide with that year's anniversary.
Yeah, but, eh, T6 is not much more than T5U and I suppose they want to stay with their filosophy, what people already have boucht should not become obsolete. T7 can only be slightly better than T6U, which makes it not much better than T5U. We are really talking about marginal increments. Who is going to buy upgrade kits for T6U knowing that the same ship will be reintroduced as T7. It will never happen. You can fool one man all the time. You can fool all men one time, but you can't fool all men all the time.
If they want to sell more ships, they should make Vulcan, Caitian/Ferasan, Betazoid etc. and not only a specific one, but all types, science, cruisers, escorts etc.
I doubt we see level 70 but we will see more specs which are essentially the same thing. And at some point T7 ships. Imho I think they would be better served to sell boff seat packs and let us pay Zen to change layouts on ships. The only constant would be the commander seats. People would spend loads of Zen to outfit their favorite ship with the ideal boff seating.
The level 50-60 increase was a mistake. yet another would be a much bigger one.
From a player perspective it was, but from a business perspective it wasn't. People complained like hell about it (rightly so if you ask me) but then think of all the people flying around in T6 ships with Mk XIV equipment.
It's obviously been a financial success for Cryptic.
Most folks I know won't be buying their favorite ships a third time either if they introduce T7.
I beg to differ. If people purchased the T6 versions of their favourite T5 ships, then you can be damn sure they'll do the same again.
I am not interested in grinding alts from level 60 to 70. it was plenty to get them to 50.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I don't know about anyone else but some things I would like to see before the next level cap would be.
1- Ability to design our own bridge and ship layout.
2- Ability to customize clothing for your ship's npc's so they don't have different uniforms from your bridge officers.
3- New worlds in alpha, beta and delta quadrants, and that they are large maps with plenty of missions.
4- Expansion for the gamma quadrant.
5- Romulan faction a a separate faction, not an aligned one.
6- Cardassian faction.
7- more side games.
8- Ability to craft hard to get consoles and weapons (plasmonic leech, red matter capacitor for example).
9- Customize bridge officers that for right now we cannot do (Breen, Borg , Jem Hadar , for example).
10- Customizable fleet maps (where your bases go) . I would love to have a fleet station in the middle of an asteroid field or a nebula.
Ok a pipe dream of a wish list I know . And yes alot of these things might not be all that popular with other folks, so what. If they can do even half of these things on the list before a new level cap, for me it would go a long way to making it easier to bear to buy t7. And for the love of Q please just make us all Captains! Everyone knows from the Academy that the Captain's chair is what to go for. Not being some desk jockey Admiral !
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I don't know if they will do a level 70 increase but I think it highly likely they might add more specializations.
that doesn't mean they wont bring in T7 ships but if they do I certainly wont bother buying any, I bought the first T6 ship bundle and ironically find myself still using my free T5U and T6 event ships more then anything.
the only thing thats fortunate is I bought the T6 ship pack with dilithium I had exchanged for zen so it didn't cost me any real money and the ships have come in very handy for the admiralty system so that's good.
I will take any T7 event ships they release if they ever do increase the ship tier and I think they will find many players will do they same as me, I think a lot of players will not bother paying money for tier 7 ships.
also this begs the question what happens with T6 ships do we get the same upgrade format we did for T5 ships and what about the T5 and T5U ships that cryptic were so adamant that would not loose their usefulness.
the worst thing about the lv60 increase was us captains who had been stuck at lv50 for years didn't get an iota of benefit from the xp we had earned over those years we still had to start at lv50 where the jump to lv60 should have been instantaneous, this shows most with characters we have created since the increase that got to lv60 with much less play then we have done on any of our older characters.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Well, it took what - 4 years for the level increase to Fleet Admiral? Let's say things accelerate over time as the financial benefits of a level cap increase dry up faster, or the expectations for them rise - I'd say anywhere from 1 to 3 years from now.
What our ranks will be called then I have no idea. Maybe still Fleet Admiral/Dahar Master?
Once can also say Cryptic has far more things to wring out of T6 ships before the prospect of T7 is even brought forward. There are huge swathes of popular ships, canon or otherwise, that haven't made it into T6 yet. That is a lot of money to make.
Once T6 has has been used up, I'd say T7 would be next.
However, I will agree with you about the notion of making money with the current system. If that dries up, then expect Delta Rising v2.0 to occur. STO was in that exact position before DR's release if you think back on it. The game was quite stale at endgame with nothing really new going on for a long time, except the new ship and/or FE on occasion.
also this begs the question what happens with T6 ships do we get the same upgrade format we did for T5 ships and what about the T5 and T5U ships that cryptic were so adamant that would not loose their usefulness.
My answer is simple. NO. I refuse to do that again. Fool me once, shame on you (not you personally, just as the saying goes). Fool me twice, shame on me. I already got bamboozled with the T5FUs and I'm not going to do it again with the T6FUs. Once more, the F don't mean fleet ship.
The sane, level-headed people in this game would also understand, due to past practices by Cryptic, that in the event there ever is T7, owning a T6, T5 ship will not get you a discount. But I imagine the shock and horror will still be there with statements like:
"I purchased the T5/T6 ____ ship! I get no discount!?!? I DEMAND A DISCOUNT!"
I expect us being able to upgrade T6 the same way T5 was handled in relation to T6 when it came out. T6U would be the Tier 6.5 ship is compared to T7, the same way how T5U was a Tier 5.5 ship in relation to T6.
FYI: At no point in STO's history did we ever get a discount on ships when moving from one tier to the next. Excellent example is with the Feds:
At Tier 4, you were able to get from the C-Store the Defiant, Intrepid, Galaxy. When you got to Tier 5 long before Delta Rising, you had the same ships in the C-Store for the new tier. No discount from owning the lower tier versions. Since Delta Rising and the advent of T6, there are T6 Defiant, Intrepid, Galaxy in the C-Store. Again, no discount from owning previous tiered ships.
This very simple fact evades the vast majority of players. I had a lot of fun seeing these crazy expectations out there throughout this game. If T7 ever happens, if I'm still around, I'm going to have a lot of fun with these same crazy expectations. I can excuse the new player that didn't know better. But the longtime players? Naaaahhh...
I am not interested in grinding alts from level 60 to 70. it was plenty to get them to 50.
Neither am I, but the point I'm attempting to make is that anyone who has made the T5>T6 investment will undoubtedly make the T6>T7 transition if/when it comes. It's not a case of whether people like or accept it or not, it's whether they'll do it, and I believe that they will.
Some people like having the best of the best, and will get that regardless. Some will pay for it outright, others will grind, and others still will accumulate over a longer length of time (ie, me). Still doesn't change the fact that people will take their alts to level 70 if/when the time comes. It's a choice of either moving with the times, or ditching the game altogether and losing on everything they've already accomplished.
It's a choice of either moving with the times, or ditching the game altogether and losing on everything they've already accomplished.
I have to agree with that. I myself know my main concern would be having a ship that cannot perform as well as the other more advanced ships. It sucks but that's the reality of the situation.
"There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... or death. It shall be life." - Ten Bears (Will Sampson)
Well, it took what - 4 years for the level increase to Fleet Admiral? Let's say things accelerate over time as the financial benefits of a level cap increase dry up faster, or the expectations for them rise - I'd say anywhere from 1 to 3 years from now.
What our ranks will be called then I have no idea. Maybe still Fleet Admiral/Dahar Master?
Once can also say Cryptic has far more things to wring out of T6 ships before the prospect of T7 is even brought forward. There are huge swathes of popular ships, canon or otherwise, that haven't made it into T6 yet. That is a lot of money to make.
Once T6 has has been used up, I'd say T7 would be next.
However, I will agree with you about the notion of making money with the current system. If that dries up, then expect Delta Rising v2.0 to occur. STO was in that exact position before DR's release if you think back on it. The game was quite stale at endgame with nothing really new going on for a long time, except the new ship and/or FE on occasion.
It certainl took Cryptic a long time to get all the canon ships into the game in the first place. My guess is still that it will take less time then before, because... well, that's a case where I think entropy applies. It just gets harder the longer you go. But maybe I am wrong, and it actually stabilizes?
Theoretically, since they release both cannon and spec ships, they might have more material.
The good thing is - if there ever is a Tier 7 increase, it also means that the game has lasted a few more years, and - unless the tier 7 increase fails - will also last a few more years. That means all the toys we already bought or grinded in this game will also be longer of use to us.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
You know, all your remarks hinting at a deep wish to 'eat me' - not that I'm not flattered or anything and I welcome your open-mindedness, but...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I think a new levels will come eventually... raising ships up 1 tier and reselling them works, that's easy money for em. Probably 2017, hope it comes with the Cardassia half faction expansion...
It took about 5 years to get from T5 to T6, so i'd say somewhere in 2020. Start saving up!
It took about 5 years to get from T5 to T6, so i'd say somewhere in 2020. Start saving up!
Unless there's an overhaul of the game engine to make everything more... shiny, I don't think we'll be here in 2020.
Well, compare the old ships in STO with the newer ones. They have upgraded the graphics, mostly by making newer stuff at higher quality. That's also a big reason, I think, for the revamps.
They don't need a new engine - just upgrade it continually. And that's what they do. We won't get Star Citizen / Elite Dangerous level of graphical fidelity, but also not Star Citzen / Elite Dangerous level of hardware requirements.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
I am not interested in grinding alts from level 60 to 70. it was plenty to get them to 50.
Neither am I, but the point I'm attempting to make is that anyone who has made the T5>T6 investment will undoubtedly make the T6>T7 transition if/when it comes. It's not a case of whether people like or accept it or not, it's whether they'll do it, and I believe that they will.
Some people like having the best of the best, and will get that regardless. Some will pay for it outright, others will grind, and others still will accumulate over a longer length of time (ie, me). Still doesn't change the fact that people will take their alts to level 70 if/when the time comes. It's a choice of either moving with the times, or ditching the game altogether and losing on everything they've already accomplished.
Theres no need for level cap increases. We already see modern MMOs ditching levels altogether.
More grind does not need to mean more XP grind. We can always have more reps, more traits, more content.
But I don't think theres many players who want their ability to play high end content postponed yet again with a pointless and stupid level cap increase. you're arguing for something STO and other games have already proven since years ago is unneccesary
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I am not interested in grinding alts from level 60 to 70. it was plenty to get them to 50.
Neither am I, but the point I'm attempting to make is that anyone who has made the T5>T6 investment will undoubtedly make the T6>T7 transition if/when it comes. It's not a case of whether people like or accept it or not, it's whether they'll do it, and I believe that they will.
Some people like having the best of the best, and will get that regardless. Some will pay for it outright, others will grind, and others still will accumulate over a longer length of time (ie, me). Still doesn't change the fact that people will take their alts to level 70 if/when the time comes. It's a choice of either moving with the times, or ditching the game altogether and losing on everything they've already accomplished.
If T6>T7 is anything like T5>T6 I'll be down to one captain, if that. DR saw the retirement of many of my captains.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Except I said "the people I know" ... as in people I've known for many years. I think we all know each other well enough to say that none of us within our fleet/circle of friends will be buying T7 versions of our favorite ships again. So yes, you don't know squat about the people I am referring to.
Did these people you speak of purchase any T6 ships? If so, why did they purchase the T6 ships?
I think I've made the case pretty clear above; It's a choice of either moving with the times, or ditching the game altogether and losing on everything they've already accomplished. I believe that when the time comes for the T7 upgrade, many of the people you say will ditch the game actually wont. In times like this, everyone jumps on the band wagon and says I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that, and they eventually succumb (for whatever reason). Obviously neither of us can say for utmost certainty right now, but what I'll do for you is bookmark this very topic, with a note, and I'll come back to you about three months after the T7 stuff is released, and we'll see just how many of the people you know have actually upgraded. I'm willing to wager all my existing energy credits (and all that I'll gain in the years to come) on me being right about this.
Theres no need for level cap increases. We already see modern MMOs ditching levels altogether.
More grind does not need to mean more XP grind. We can always have more reps, more traits, more content.
But I don't think theres many players who want their ability to play high end content postponed yet again with a pointless and stupid level cap increase. you're arguing for something STO and other games have already proven since years ago is unneccesary
I'm explaining why people will upgrade, not that they want too. If Cryptic make that move (with the T7 business) then a community-wide upgrade (for a vast majority) is inevitable.
Except I said "the people I know" ... as in people I've known for many years. I think we all know each other well enough to say that none of us within our fleet/circle of friends will be buying T7 versions of our favorite ships again. So yes, you don't know squat about the people I am referring to.
Did these people you speak of purchase any T6 ships? If so, why did they purchase the T6 ships?
I think I've made the case pretty clear above; It's a choice of either moving with the times, or ditching the game altogether and losing on everything they've already accomplished. I believe that when the time comes for the T7 upgrade, many of the people you say will ditch the game actually wont. In times like this, everyone jumps on the band wagon and says I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that, and they eventually succumb (for whatever reason). Obviously neither of us can say for utmost certainty right now, but what I'll do for you is bookmark this very topic, with a note, and I'll come back to you about three months after the T7 stuff is released, and we'll see just how many of the people you know have actually upgraded. I'm willing to wager all my existing energy credits (and all that I'll gain in the years to come) on me being right about this.
Theres no need for level cap increases. We already see modern MMOs ditching levels altogether.
More grind does not need to mean more XP grind. We can always have more reps, more traits, more content.
But I don't think theres many players who want their ability to play high end content postponed yet again with a pointless and stupid level cap increase. you're arguing for something STO and other games have already proven since years ago is unneccesary
I'm explaining why people will upgrade, not that they want too. If Cryptic make that move (with the T7 business) then a community-wide upgrade (for a vast majority) is inevitable.
Pre-DR, I purchased the Vesta pack, the Oddy pack, the Kumari pack, the T5 Defiant, and a smattering of lower tier ships, with real money of my own.
During DR, I purchased the Phantom, and no T5(F)U upgrade tokens with real money of my own. With other people's real money, ie, dil->zen, I bought a T5 B'Rel, a token, and a Vandal.
Do you see a difference in spending there?
The current season has seen drastically less soul crushing money grabs and they actually put out some new KDF and Rom ships, so with my own real money I purchased the T6 Defiant/T'varo/B'rel pack (during the sale) and also picked up the charity T6 pack for $10.
I still don't agree with their pointless Exclusivity! approach to the event ships but up until the Defiant pack they were the bulk of my T6 fleet. Chasing the gold mk XIV dragon in T6F ships is not something I do. If there's a mk XVI and base level mk XII gear is made useless for normal play then I won't bother with T7 or mk XVI.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
the worst thing about the lv60 increase was us captains who had been stuck at lv50 for years didn't get an iota of benefit from the xp we had earned over those years we still had to start at lv50 where the jump to lv60 should have been instantaneous, this shows most with characters we have created since the increase that got to lv60 with much less play then we have done on any of our older characters.
That's childish thinking.
"Give it to me free because I've played at cap for all these years!"
This isn't a classroom where the teacher caves in and does nice things for you, this is an MMOrpg that is a money making business. We don't OWN anything that we've played with, in this game, not even the things we've paid for. All we've paid for is the legal right to use said things in the game, for as long as the game owners decide. That's how it works.
The play from 50 to 60, was a kick in the teeth to all the kiddie gamers who were expecting easy 5-10 minute missions because they foolishly waste their time playing a half-dozen or more games at the same time (or dozens of alts on this game), and all the kiddies who don't want to do what an MMOrpg wants them to do, which is play through content.
T5U to T6 is not a large jump, despite all the childish ranting in most threads that says something to the contrary.
T6 to an as yet unknown T7 won't be a large jump either. It can't be, because nearly all T6 require the spending of money.
There won't be a level increase anytime soon because that requires the addition of large amounts of story content ala Delta Rising, which takes quite a bit of time to produce.
If the level increase is not coming soon then neither will there be a T7 anytime soon.
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If people are doing the upgrade from T5 to T6, then by that very definition, they're going to upgrade from T6 to T7. If they weren't concerned with the power creep, then they wouldn't have gone from T5 to T6 in the first place, they'd have retained their T5 ships instead.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
If they want to sell more ships, they should make Vulcan, Caitian/Ferasan, Betazoid etc. and not only a specific one, but all types, science, cruisers, escorts etc.
I am not interested in grinding alts from level 60 to 70. it was plenty to get them to 50.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
1- Ability to design our own bridge and ship layout.
2- Ability to customize clothing for your ship's npc's so they don't have different uniforms from your bridge officers.
3- New worlds in alpha, beta and delta quadrants, and that they are large maps with plenty of missions.
4- Expansion for the gamma quadrant.
5- Romulan faction a a separate faction, not an aligned one.
6- Cardassian faction.
7- more side games.
8- Ability to craft hard to get consoles and weapons (plasmonic leech, red matter capacitor for example).
9- Customize bridge officers that for right now we cannot do (Breen, Borg , Jem Hadar , for example).
10- Customizable fleet maps (where your bases go) . I would love to have a fleet station in the middle of an asteroid field or a nebula.
Ok a pipe dream of a wish list I know . And yes alot of these things might not be all that popular with other folks, so what. If they can do even half of these things on the list before a new level cap, for me it would go a long way to making it easier to bear to buy t7. And for the love of Q please just make us all Captains! Everyone knows from the Academy that the Captain's chair is what to go for. Not being some desk jockey Admiral !
5/4 layout
4/4/5 consoles obviously different layout for each career.
New skins.
Custom interior and bridges.
Unlock all lower tiers of that ship.
And last but not least
Decent Spec ( Valiant I'm glaring at you )
that doesn't mean they wont bring in T7 ships but if they do I certainly wont bother buying any, I bought the first T6 ship bundle and ironically find myself still using my free T5U and T6 event ships more then anything.
the only thing thats fortunate is I bought the T6 ship pack with dilithium I had exchanged for zen so it didn't cost me any real money and the ships have come in very handy for the admiralty system so that's good.
I will take any T7 event ships they release if they ever do increase the ship tier and I think they will find many players will do they same as me, I think a lot of players will not bother paying money for tier 7 ships.
also this begs the question what happens with T6 ships do we get the same upgrade format we did for T5 ships and what about the T5 and T5U ships that cryptic were so adamant that would not loose their usefulness.
the worst thing about the lv60 increase was us captains who had been stuck at lv50 for years didn't get an iota of benefit from the xp we had earned over those years we still had to start at lv50 where the jump to lv60 should have been instantaneous, this shows most with characters we have created since the increase that got to lv60 with much less play then we have done on any of our older characters.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Once can also say Cryptic has far more things to wring out of T6 ships before the prospect of T7 is even brought forward. There are huge swathes of popular ships, canon or otherwise, that haven't made it into T6 yet. That is a lot of money to make.
Once T6 has has been used up, I'd say T7 would be next.
However, I will agree with you about the notion of making money with the current system. If that dries up, then expect Delta Rising v2.0 to occur. STO was in that exact position before DR's release if you think back on it. The game was quite stale at endgame with nothing really new going on for a long time, except the new ship and/or FE on occasion.
My answer is simple. NO. I refuse to do that again. Fool me once, shame on you (not you personally, just as the saying goes). Fool me twice, shame on me. I already got bamboozled with the T5FUs and I'm not going to do it again with the T6FUs. Once more, the F don't mean fleet ship.
"I purchased the T5/T6 ____ ship! I get no discount!?!? I DEMAND A DISCOUNT!"
I expect us being able to upgrade T6 the same way T5 was handled in relation to T6 when it came out. T6U would be the Tier 6.5 ship is compared to T7, the same way how T5U was a Tier 5.5 ship in relation to T6.
FYI: At no point in STO's history did we ever get a discount on ships when moving from one tier to the next. Excellent example is with the Feds:
At Tier 4, you were able to get from the C-Store the Defiant, Intrepid, Galaxy. When you got to Tier 5 long before Delta Rising, you had the same ships in the C-Store for the new tier. No discount from owning the lower tier versions. Since Delta Rising and the advent of T6, there are T6 Defiant, Intrepid, Galaxy in the C-Store. Again, no discount from owning previous tiered ships.
This very simple fact evades the vast majority of players. I had a lot of fun seeing these crazy expectations out there throughout this game. If T7 ever happens, if I'm still around, I'm going to have a lot of fun with these same crazy expectations. I can excuse the new player that didn't know better. But the longtime players? Naaaahhh...
Some people like having the best of the best, and will get that regardless. Some will pay for it outright, others will grind, and others still will accumulate over a longer length of time (ie, me). Still doesn't change the fact that people will take their alts to level 70 if/when the time comes. It's a choice of either moving with the times, or ditching the game altogether and losing on everything they've already accomplished.
I have to agree with that. I myself know my main concern would be having a ship that cannot perform as well as the other more advanced ships. It sucks but that's the reality of the situation.
You are damned right.
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It certainl took Cryptic a long time to get all the canon ships into the game in the first place. My guess is still that it will take less time then before, because... well, that's a case where I think entropy applies. It just gets harder the longer you go. But maybe I am wrong, and it actually stabilizes?
Theoretically, since they release both cannon and spec ships, they might have more material.
The good thing is - if there ever is a Tier 7 increase, it also means that the game has lasted a few more years, and - unless the tier 7 increase fails - will also last a few more years. That means all the toys we already bought or grinded in this game will also be longer of use to us.
Considering that with the exception of the JHSS not a single promotion/lockbox/event ship received a tier 6 upgrade it certainly seems that way.
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You know, all your remarks hinting at a deep wish to 'eat me' - not that I'm not flattered or anything and I welcome your open-mindedness, but...
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It took about 5 years to get from T5 to T6, so i'd say somewhere in 2020. Start saving up!
They don't need a new engine - just upgrade it continually. And that's what they do. We won't get Star Citizen / Elite Dangerous level of graphical fidelity, but also not Star Citzen / Elite Dangerous level of hardware requirements.
Theres no need for level cap increases. We already see modern MMOs ditching levels altogether.
More grind does not need to mean more XP grind. We can always have more reps, more traits, more content.
But I don't think theres many players who want their ability to play high end content postponed yet again with a pointless and stupid level cap increase. you're arguing for something STO and other games have already proven since years ago is unneccesary
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
If T6>T7 is anything like T5>T6 I'll be down to one captain, if that. DR saw the retirement of many of my captains.
I think I've made the case pretty clear above; It's a choice of either moving with the times, or ditching the game altogether and losing on everything they've already accomplished. I believe that when the time comes for the T7 upgrade, many of the people you say will ditch the game actually wont. In times like this, everyone jumps on the band wagon and says I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that, and they eventually succumb (for whatever reason). Obviously neither of us can say for utmost certainty right now, but what I'll do for you is bookmark this very topic, with a note, and I'll come back to you about three months after the T7 stuff is released, and we'll see just how many of the people you know have actually upgraded. I'm willing to wager all my existing energy credits (and all that I'll gain in the years to come) on me being right about this.
I'm explaining why people will upgrade, not that they want too. If Cryptic make that move (with the T7 business) then a community-wide upgrade (for a vast majority) is inevitable.
Pre-DR, I purchased the Vesta pack, the Oddy pack, the Kumari pack, the T5 Defiant, and a smattering of lower tier ships, with real money of my own.
During DR, I purchased the Phantom, and no T5(F)U upgrade tokens with real money of my own. With other people's real money, ie, dil->zen, I bought a T5 B'Rel, a token, and a Vandal.
Do you see a difference in spending there?
The current season has seen drastically less soul crushing money grabs and they actually put out some new KDF and Rom ships, so with my own real money I purchased the T6 Defiant/T'varo/B'rel pack (during the sale) and also picked up the charity T6 pack for $10.
I still don't agree with their pointless Exclusivity! approach to the event ships but up until the Defiant pack they were the bulk of my T6 fleet. Chasing the gold mk XIV dragon in T6F ships is not something I do. If there's a mk XVI and base level mk XII gear is made useless for normal play then I won't bother with T7 or mk XVI.
That's childish thinking.
"Give it to me free because I've played at cap for all these years!"
This isn't a classroom where the teacher caves in and does nice things for you, this is an MMOrpg that is a money making business. We don't OWN anything that we've played with, in this game, not even the things we've paid for. All we've paid for is the legal right to use said things in the game, for as long as the game owners decide. That's how it works.
The play from 50 to 60, was a kick in the teeth to all the kiddie gamers who were expecting easy 5-10 minute missions because they foolishly waste their time playing a half-dozen or more games at the same time (or dozens of alts on this game), and all the kiddies who don't want to do what an MMOrpg wants them to do, which is play through content.
T5U to T6 is not a large jump, despite all the childish ranting in most threads that says something to the contrary.
T6 to an as yet unknown T7 won't be a large jump either. It can't be, because nearly all T6 require the spending of money.
There won't be a level increase anytime soon because that requires the addition of large amounts of story content ala Delta Rising, which takes quite a bit of time to produce.
If the level increase is not coming soon then neither will there be a T7 anytime soon.