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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,671 Bug Hunter
    edited October 2015
    kelettes wrote: »
    I suddenly get this feeling that the dear administrator will try to take all the credit for everything WE'VE done to save face for the failed solar probe project and to advance her own career.

    Hope I'm wrong :smile:

    I don't think the work that she identified as done by her team should be considered a failure; they learned vast amounts of information in a short period of time for a warp 2 capable society. Most of their interest or research had generally been focused to other pursuits on the homeworld. Yet they made a valiant effort giving the challenges they faced, and may even have been successful if not for the Tholians--let alone never put into the position.

    The Lukari Administrator appears to be a woman of integrity, she's far happier to have met new people similar to her own. While the Prime Directive allows cultures to develope on their own, once a society reaches the warp threshold of interstellar travel, contact is established to open diplomatic dialog, as they will become exposed to new knowledge. This tradition of the Federation established by Vulcan's who reached out to Cochran after they realized Earth achieved Warp travel--First Contact. It's far better to help guide a cultures development at a pace they are capable of absorbing, than allow races to sell or exploit a people purely for the pursuits of high profit -- like the Ferengi -- which turned off the Lukari.

    o:)

    I also enjoyed the voice acting performed by the Lukari Administrator in the episode, same with the Cardassian character demonstrating a Kinder portrayal of their people as well. <3 It was nice to see a Cardassian referencing taking a shuttle home once we were back within Alliance Space.
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  • hawkyenarasumashawkyenarasumas Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    szim wrote: »
    Again I would like these stories to be part of the actual game. Be it a PADD we receive or a database accessible from our bridge or ready room... Please make it happen.

    Seconding this again. Seeing these stories within the immersion of the game would make them much better.
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  • irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    captaind3 wrote: »
    Who is Kumaarke's voice actress?

    Kipleigh Brown going by IMDB (although they get the date 5 years out, guess Kal took her on a joyride :)). Trek-wise she's one of the Star Trek Continues cast and has been in Enterprise.

  • captainhunter1captainhunter1 Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    szim wrote: »
    Again I would like these stories to be part of the actual game. Be it a PADD we receive or a database accessible from our bridge or ready room... Please make it happen.

    Seconding this again. Seeing these stories within the immersion of the game would make them much better.

    Yep. Info like this would be perfect fodder to include at Memory Alpha - making useful the library of the galaxy. (it's NOT a weapons R&D facility!)
  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    If I could be so bold, I would like to suggest that a Lukari (could be any Lukari, not necessarily the Administrator) who opted to serve on a Starfleet, Klingon Defense Force or Republic Navy vessel would make an excellent point of view character for future stories. Imagine how awe-inspiring it would be to go from a fairly-isolated existence, barely knowing a couple of neighboring species, remote probes being your only source for information outside of your solar system, limited to around warp 2 and not having transporters to a ship capable of nearly warp 10 on a regular basis, transwarps, Iconian gateways that can send you halfway across the galaxy in an instant and countless new species to meet? For the established species, this is the way of things, but the Lukari would be seeing all of this for the first time. I imagine that it would be exhilirating, if a bit overwhelming at first. They're almost the toddlers of the galaxy glimpsing their first firefly.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    It'd also be interesting to hear what the Lukari know about the Tzenkethi. The administrator specifically mentioned them when talking about the races they'd met. She also mentioned that the Tzenkethi were hostile.
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    Want the costume.
  • keletteskelettes Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    anodynes wrote: »
    If I could be so bold, I would like to suggest that a Lukari (could be any Lukari, not necessarily the Administrator) who opted to serve on a Starfleet, Klingon Defense Force or Republic Navy vessel would make an excellent point of view character for future stories. Imagine how awe-inspiring it would be to go from a fairly-isolated existence, barely knowing a couple of neighboring species, remote probes being your only source for information outside of your solar system, limited to around warp 2 and not having transporters to a ship capable of nearly warp 10 on a regular basis, transwarps, Iconian gateways that can send you halfway across the galaxy in an instant and countless new species to meet? For the established species, this is the way of things, but the Lukari would be seeing all of this for the first time. I imagine that it would be exhilirating, if a bit overwhelming at first. They're almost the toddlers of the galaxy glimpsing their first firefly.

    One Lukari hardly represents every facet of their civilization, so I'm careful when it comes to our relations with them.

    Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see, read about, and to hear those jaw-dropping moments when a Lukari first witnesses stuff like the Iconian gateways, the sphere parked near Iconia, slipstream, the Borg, Earth, ESD, the Flotilla, New Romulus, Qo'noS, the Great Hall, all the places that the ships and crews of more advanced civilizations are visiting daily :smile: To see them first stand in the water, then learn to swim. To help them find their place in this corner of the galaxy.

    In a sense, this would be a perfect way to bring some ENT vibe into the 2410 era. But this time, Starfleet would be the mentor, not the student (strictly talking from a Fed perspective -- insert your own faction and ambitions here ^^).
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    kelettes wrote: »
    anodynes wrote: »
    If I could be so bold, I would like to suggest that a Lukari (could be any Lukari, not necessarily the Administrator) who opted to serve on a Starfleet, Klingon Defense Force or Republic Navy vessel would make an excellent point of view character for future stories. Imagine how awe-inspiring it would be to go from a fairly-isolated existence, barely knowing a couple of neighboring species, remote probes being your only source for information outside of your solar system, limited to around warp 2 and not having transporters to a ship capable of nearly warp 10 on a regular basis, transwarps, Iconian gateways that can send you halfway across the galaxy in an instant and countless new species to meet? For the established species, this is the way of things, but the Lukari would be seeing all of this for the first time. I imagine that it would be exhilirating, if a bit overwhelming at first. They're almost the toddlers of the galaxy glimpsing their first firefly.

    One Lukari hardly represents every facet of their civilization, so I'm careful when it comes to our relations with them.

    Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see, read about, and to hear those jaw-dropping moments when a Lukari first witnesses stuff like the Iconian gateways, the sphere parked near Iconia, slipstream, the Borg, Earth, ESD, the Flotilla, New Romulus, Qo'noS, the Great Hall, all the places that the ships and crews of more advanced civilizations are visiting daily :smile: To see them first stand in the water, then learn to swim. To help them find their place in this corner of the galaxy.

    In a sense, this would be a perfect way to bring some ENT vibe into the 2410 era. But this time, Starfleet would be the mentor, not the student (strictly talking from a Fed perspective -- insert your own faction and ambitions here ^^).
    also... I want to know more about what happened when the Lukari made first contact with the Tzenkethi.... It may have been something as boring as the Tzenkethi blowing up any Lukari probe that entered their space, but....
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    gulberat wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    raventomoe wrote: »
    Interesting read as well. Any chance we will see them as a Bridge Officer?
    Yeah - from what we've seen thus far, I actually really like the Lukari; I realise that making them a playable species is too much to hope, but having one as a BOFF would be great!

    I certainly like them better than the Deferi thus far--the Deferi "balance" garbage (but we want YOU to come save our pacifist butts!) was really annoying. The Lukari may have 22nd century tech, but they were giving it their all before we showed up.

    Where are we getting the "Deferi are pacifist cowards" thing from? All I saw them actually say was that they prefer to maintain political neutrality because of a cultural philosophy, and that they aren't equipped to fight the Breen (man for man, equals of the major Alpha Quadrant powers, if not a match in numbers) or Borg. Hell, the whole reason the Klingons like the Deferi is because they saved a Klingon naval expedition's butts a while back.

    Yes, there's one particular Deferi (Lleiset's science officer, Narrel) being squeamish about fighting. That's not the same thing as a whole species.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    far from being pacifists or cowards, pretty much every piece of deferi content you interact with that doesn't have one of their ships disabled and you have to pull their butts out of the fire, their ships will happily charge in guns blazing at the nearest breen ship, despite them not even being a match for a plesh brek frigate, in a grand display of what i would call gryffindor-level stupidity​​
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  • highlord83highlord83 Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    anodynes wrote: »
    If I could be so bold, I would like to suggest that a Lukari (could be any Lukari, not necessarily the Administrator) who opted to serve on a Starfleet, Klingon Defense Force or Republic Navy vessel would make an excellent point of view character for future stories. Imagine how awe-inspiring it would be to go from a fairly-isolated existence, barely knowing a couple of neighboring species, remote probes being your only source for information outside of your solar system, limited to around warp 2 and not having transporters to a ship capable of nearly warp 10 on a regular basis, transwarps, Iconian gateways that can send you halfway across the galaxy in an instant and countless new species to meet? For the established species, this is the way of things, but the Lukari would be seeing all of this for the first time. I imagine that it would be exhilirating, if a bit overwhelming at first. They're almost the toddlers of the galaxy glimpsing their first firefly.

    Or, more to the point of things, that the galaxy just barely survived a titanic war that saw battles across every quadrant against a well neigh invincible foe and left the victors broken and weary, with even the most peaceful stellar power (the power the Lukari live within in terms of stellar navigation) with a glut of battered, hardened and broken soldiers and a massive battle fleet.

    The galaxy is a glorious and amazing place that begs to be seen. But it is also violent, terrifying and with no sense of justice.
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  • highlord83highlord83 Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    gulberat wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    raventomoe wrote: »
    Interesting read as well. Any chance we will see them as a Bridge Officer?
    Yeah - from what we've seen thus far, I actually really like the Lukari; I realise that making them a playable species is too much to hope, but having one as a BOFF would be great!

    I certainly like them better than the Deferi thus far--the Deferi "balance" garbage (but we want YOU to come save our pacifist butts!) was really annoying. The Lukari may have 22nd century tech, but they were giving it their all before we showed up.

    Where are we getting the "Deferi are pacifist cowards" thing from? All I saw them actually say was that they prefer to maintain political neutrality because of a cultural philosophy, and that they aren't equipped to fight the Breen (man for man, equals of the major Alpha Quadrant powers, if not a match in numbers) or Borg. Hell, the whole reason the Klingons like the Deferi is because they saved a Klingon naval expedition's butts a while back.

    Yes, there's one particular Deferi (Lleiset's science officer, Narrel) being squeamish about fighting. That's not the same thing as a whole species.

    The Defari also step up in spades to fight the borg on the ground, witch is comparatively more horrifying than facing them in space.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    highlord83 wrote: »
    anodynes wrote: »
    If I could be so bold, I would like to suggest that a Lukari (could be any Lukari, not necessarily the Administrator) who opted to serve on a Starfleet, Klingon Defense Force or Republic Navy vessel would make an excellent point of view character for future stories. Imagine how awe-inspiring it would be to go from a fairly-isolated existence, barely knowing a couple of neighboring species, remote probes being your only source for information outside of your solar system, limited to around warp 2 and not having transporters to a ship capable of nearly warp 10 on a regular basis, transwarps, Iconian gateways that can send you halfway across the galaxy in an instant and countless new species to meet? For the established species, this is the way of things, but the Lukari would be seeing all of this for the first time. I imagine that it would be exhilirating, if a bit overwhelming at first. They're almost the toddlers of the galaxy glimpsing their first firefly.

    Or, more to the point of things, that the galaxy just barely survived a titanic war that saw battles across every quadrant against a well neigh invincible foe and left the victors broken and weary, with even the most peaceful stellar power (the power the Lukari live within in terms of stellar navigation) with a glut of battered, hardened and broken soldiers and a massive battle fleet.

    The galaxy is a glorious and amazing place that begs to be seen. But it is also violent, terrifying and with no sense of justice.

    "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q

    I really liked the Lukari too, but I have to wonder what that Cardassian scientist was doing there. She contributed absolutely nothing to the story, and her lines could have easily been covered by one of our bridge officers.

    And I hope Cryptic gives the Lukari homeworld a more unique name than "Lukari Prime". We don't live on Human Prime, do we?
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    I think the presence of the Cardassian scientist isn't just about her knowledge. It's a callback to "Destiny," and it shows just how far relations with the Cardassians have come since the Dominion War.

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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    highlord83 wrote: »
    anodynes wrote: »
    If I could be so bold, I would like to suggest that a Lukari (could be any Lukari, not necessarily the Administrator) who opted to serve on a Starfleet, Klingon Defense Force or Republic Navy vessel would make an excellent point of view character for future stories. Imagine how awe-inspiring it would be to go from a fairly-isolated existence, barely knowing a couple of neighboring species, remote probes being your only source for information outside of your solar system, limited to around warp 2 and not having transporters to a ship capable of nearly warp 10 on a regular basis, transwarps, Iconian gateways that can send you halfway across the galaxy in an instant and countless new species to meet? For the established species, this is the way of things, but the Lukari would be seeing all of this for the first time. I imagine that it would be exhilirating, if a bit overwhelming at first. They're almost the toddlers of the galaxy glimpsing their first firefly.

    Or, more to the point of things, that the galaxy just barely survived a titanic war that saw battles across every quadrant against a well neigh invincible foe and left the victors broken and weary, with even the most peaceful stellar power (the power the Lukari live within in terms of stellar navigation) with a glut of battered, hardened and broken soldiers and a massive battle fleet.

    The galaxy is a glorious and amazing place that begs to be seen. But it is also violent, terrifying and with no sense of justice.

    "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q

    I really liked the Lukari too, but I have to wonder what that Cardassian scientist was doing there. She contributed absolutely nothing to the story, and her lines could have easily been covered by one of our bridge officers.

    And I hope Cryptic gives the Lukari homeworld a more unique name than "Lukari Prime". We don't live on Human Prime, do we?

    I could see several potential reasons for the Cardassian scientist, but of course that's all speculation.
    1) Quite simply, an NPC that is not your bridge officer can be voiced. There is a lot of exposition in her dialogue, and it might feel like a fall back to the pre-voice-recording times of STO if that wasn't voiced.
    2) She is a reminder that Cardassia is still out there and that we are on good terms.
    3) She could be a recurring character. In the original Cardassian storyline, there was some Cardassian/Bajoran woman that pretended to be working for cooperation between Cardassia and Bajor, but was secretly part of the True Way and in league with the Pagh Wraiths. All that was done in the span of a single episode, so there was absolutely no impact on the "surprise" revelation. I am not saying that she is taking that specific role again, but introducing a few NPC for later use in general is not a bad idea.
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  • tancrediivtancrediiv Member Posts: 728 Arc User
    All this talk of the Lukari and their noble friendly demeanor. Their innocence and openess. And this assumption they will be a fine addition to the Federation. What if they decide to join the Klingon Empire. The Empire is friendly with their neighbors, the Defari. They have the skills and experience to deal with Ferengi shenanigans and trade. They have survived with a hostile Tzeng-alithonizons. Maybe the Lukari will feel safer with the backing and friendship of the Empire. (Let the fire rage) :p

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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    I doubt the Lukari would get Fed membership yet...not without a full diplomatic process.

    But alliance with the Klingons would be a HUGE mistake given that in the Empire there are Klingons and there are second-class citizens. By the time the Lukari realized their mistake, the technological disparity would mean they could not fight back. Being as "soft" as they are, their fate would likely be slavery. That said if a path is sought after for any reason to make relations between the Federation and Empire deteriorate back to war, in STO's environment I could see it...particularly if Bajor pushes for an intervention so as not to see another world abandoned to its fate the way the Federation itself abandoned Bajor.

    In contrast what COULD be interesting to see would be how the Romulan Republic would deal with a potential new entry, not of Romulan or Reman descent, and how they might be similar or different from the Federation. After all, not all republics are the same here...the Federation and Republic need not be either, while still both qualifying as free societies.

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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    I think the Lukari are a bit too far away from the Klingons and the Romulans to join them outright. I wonder if they might join the Cardassian Union? They could learn a lot from each other, and they're certainly close enough geographically (astronomically?).
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    I think the Lukari are a bit too far away from the Klingons and the Romulans to join them outright. I wonder if they might join the Cardassian Union? They could learn a lot from each other, and they're certainly close enough geographically (astronomically?).

    Now that is also an interesting idea given that a Cardassian scientist was part of the aid party. That said I am not sure if the Cardassians would be up to taking on aliens. But as an ally, perhaps so. :)

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