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Sunrise comes and the same ole same ole

messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I played sunrise at first i was liking it alot making first contact was so trek like and then well wouldnt ya know it? the tholians show up and we get to kill them so as usual "We come in peace shoot to kill".

Cryptic you almost had a real gem with sunrise until you added the tholians that mission did not need a token force we get to exterminate, ive given up hope of any real "Exploration" mission it will always be the same ole same ole "we come in peace shoot to kill".

I realy digged that mission up to the point the thols appeared then i was reminded oh yeah cryptic so go to system A kill everything beam to planet B kill more things beam back to ship in system C and kill more things warp out for reward like a god little lab rat.
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    Captain unknown alien vessel on approach. Shall I open hailing frequencies?
    Negative, we need to test out our new antiproton [crtd]x3 [pen] beam arrays. Open fire.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    I enjoyed the mission, it actually felt like a Star Trek episode to me.

    In most of the episodes (the good ones anyway) there is some form of conflict, some challenge to over come and it almost always has the crew in a position where disaster will occur should they fail. Granted, this conflict isn't always an actual fight against a hostile force, but you have to remember you're in a video game.

    There will always be battles in missions, to expect otherwise is setting yourself up for disappointment. What I look for in a good mission is a balance, a combination of story and action and I thought Sunrise delivered on that. Overall, it's personal taste, but I really enjoyed the mission. I'm eagerly anticipating the next part of the story.
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    messahla wrote: »
    I played sunrise at first i was liking it alot making first contact was so trek like and then well wouldnt ya know it? the tholians show up and we get to kill them so as usual "We come in peace shoot to kill".

    Cryptic you almost had a real gem with sunrise until you added the tholians that mission did not need a token force we get to exterminate, ive given up hope of any real "Exploration" mission it will always be the same ole same ole "we come in peace shoot to kill".

    I realy digged that mission up to the point the thols appeared then i was reminded oh yeah cryptic so go to system A kill everything beam to planet B kill more things beam back to ship in system C and kill more things warp out for reward like a god little lab rat.

    I agree the new FE was very interesting before the arrival of Tholians. maybe the tholians could have been smarter, and use subtlety to steal the "thing" (forgotten the name), without fights.
  • highlord83highlord83 Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    It makes sense, in the context of my main character, a Tac-spec. Why else would the Admiralty send a Battlecruiser, with minimal science capability, captained and crewed by hard-charging combat veterans on a mission to "rediscover our roots as explorers?"

    It's like sending Seal Team 6 to study chimpanzees in the wild.

    My Engineer is even worse. This is a woman, who has shown through many missions, to be as undiplomatic as possible and for whom orbital bombardment is the first resort, then proceeds with "overkill" progresses to "Kneecaps!" and almost always ends in "strategic ordnance deployment." Followed shortly thereafter by "collateral damage" and "unspecified urban renewal."

    Seriously. With the kind of officers that have risen to the ranks through skill, tenacity and replacing casualties, do you really think Picard-style captaining will ever make a comeback?
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  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    "We come in peace shoot to kill" is there anything more trek then that
  • highlord83highlord83 Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    jade1280 wrote: »
    "We come in peace shoot to kill" is there anything more trek then that
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=TR7qwu8grWo
    "So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    This is kinda dated now cause Dstahl & BranFlakes are no longer with us, but...

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  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    highlord83 wrote: »
    With the kind of officers that have risen to the ranks through skill, tenacity and replacing casualties, do you really think Picard-style captaining will ever make a comeback?

    We can always hope not. Never was the term "ready room" less apt. It was his "starting to consider commencing to analyze beginning to explore the probable options of my possibilities" room.

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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    I'm torn.

    The thing about exploration within a game such as this, well...it's boring. It's sitting in space pressing F and waiting for the game to do stuff around you. I mean look at the missions where you do no combat. Can anyone honestly say they have more fun playing Of Bajor than any other mission with combat in?

    We're geared up for combat. We fly in battleships. We're members of each faction's military forces. And it's a space combat game. I am certain that if proper exploration were to ever surface (since it's not in the season, that's a given now) it will be so dull and pointless no-one will play it after the first time.​​
  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    highlord83 wrote: »
    It makes sense, in the context of my main character, a Tac-spec. Why else would the Admiralty send a Battlecruiser, with minimal science capability, captained and crewed by hard-charging combat veterans on a mission to "rediscover our roots as explorers?"
    See, this is why I have characters for everything. So, when a mission would logically require Starfleet to send a science ship, I use my Vesta captain, not my actual main.

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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    I just don't understand the content...a 31st Century ship and then 29th Century ones? And why are 29th Century "Starfleet" even there?
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    messahla wrote: »
    I played sunrise at first i was liking it alot making first contact was so trek like and then well wouldnt ya know it? the tholians show up and we get to kill them so as usual "We come in peace shoot to kill".

    Cryptic you almost had a real gem with sunrise until you added the tholians that mission did not need a token force we get to exterminate, ive given up hope of any real "Exploration" mission it will always be the same ole same ole "we come in peace shoot to kill".

    I realy digged that mission up to the point the thols appeared then i was reminded oh yeah cryptic so go to system A kill everything beam to planet B kill more things beam back to ship in system C and kill more things warp out for reward like a god little lab rat.

    I agree... to a point. I felt that the first round of Tholians was appropriate, smack down the boarders and the handful of ships that sent them. Good, this is fairly Trek(TNG would have "driven them off" instead of "vaporize" but hell lets not nitpick). Its when they happen to have a Tarantula led battle-group on standby that I got annoyed. Outside of that though, the writing didn't suck and the mission was rather overall well done.
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  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    messahla wrote: »
    I played sunrise at first i was liking it alot making first contact was so trek like and then well wouldnt ya know it? the tholians show up and we get to kill them so as usual "We come in peace shoot to kill".

    Cryptic you almost had a real gem with sunrise until you added the tholians that mission did not need a token force we get to exterminate, ive given up hope of any real "Exploration" mission it will always be the same ole same ole "we come in peace shoot to kill".

    I realy digged that mission up to the point the thols appeared then i was reminded oh yeah cryptic so go to system A kill everything beam to planet B kill more things beam back to ship in system C and kill more things warp out for reward like a god little lab rat.

    I agree... to a point. I felt that the first round of Tholians was appropriate, smack down the boarders and the handful of ships that sent them. Good, this is fairly Trek(TNG would have "driven them off" instead of "vaporize" but hell lets not nitpick). Its when they happen to have a Tarantula led battle-group on standby that I got annoyed. Outside of that though, the writing didn't suck and the mission was rather overall well done.

    That pretty much sums up where im at sure the boarding party acceptible but the second force of thols..uneeded they couldve stole the device using subterfuge thier boarders keep us busy while they beam it out and split.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    I liked the mission. I was just recently wondering if we'd hear about the
    Tox Uthat again. We never knew was it was

    One has to wonder what the Tholians are doing with it. If it's a "star destroyer" weapon, is that something they intend to use against the Mirror Terrans?
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  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    One of the things I liked about the writing is that my character wasn't acting stupid and naive. I initially found Kal Dano's "timely arrival" very suspicious and was glad that I had the option to have my character act accordingly.
    I also had a laugh at the "I've had about enough of that recently"-line concerning changing the timeline.
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  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    Glad to see that the new era of exploration and "rediscovering our roots as explorers" still means we warp in and blow the living TRIBBLE out of everything in sight.​​
    Come on...we didn't go in looking for fights. It's not our fault the Tholians were being suicidal once again.

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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    I thought the computer-generated message the tholians made was pretty funny. "GIVE US THE THOX UTAT OR YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!" using that splendidly calm, female voice. It had me laughing a little. It reminded me of the voice you hear in Portal when you're taking the elevator down into the incinerator and it's still promising you cake.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    kamiyama317 wrote: »
    I thought the computer-generated message the tholians made was pretty funny. "GIVE US THE THOX UTAT OR YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!" using that splendidly calm, female voice. It had me laughing a little. It reminded me of the voice you hear in Portal when you're taking the elevator down into the incinerator and it's still promising you cake.
    Somewhere, the Tholians are probably still singing
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    kamiyama317 wrote: »
    I thought the computer-generated message the tholians made was pretty funny. "GIVE US THE THOX UTAT OR YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!" using that splendidly calm, female voice. It had me laughing a little. It reminded me of the voice you hear in Portal when you're taking the elevator down into the incinerator and it's still promising you cake.

    Or in keeping with the theme started on Kal Dano's ship, it also was a bit reminiscent of a less angry, less British Dalek. ;)

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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    mrspidey2 wrote: »
    Come on...we didn't go in looking for fights. It's not our fault the Tholians were being suicidal once again.

    Well, sure, that isn't the point though. It would be nice to have seen a mission where diplomacy prevails for a change instead of warp in pew pew.​​

    you mean like you warp in find a newish race, talk to em, help the, ask them to join in a the wonderful bonds of friendship? :P

    no shooting the new gal/guy/whatever at all!


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  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    messahla wrote: »
    I played sunrise at first i was liking it alot making first contact was so trek like and then well wouldnt ya know it? the tholians show up and we get to kill them so as usual "We come in peace shoot to kill".

    Cryptic you almost had a real gem with sunrise until you added the tholians that mission did not need a token force we get to exterminate, ive given up hope of any real "Exploration" mission it will always be the same ole same ole "we come in peace shoot to kill".

    I realy digged that mission up to the point the thols appeared then i was reminded oh yeah cryptic so go to system A kill everything beam to planet B kill more things beam back to ship in system C and kill more things warp out for reward like a god little lab rat.

    I had the same feeling. I wish it was more a diplomant dinner in the waiting room or on meeting on a planet.

    But it's the same old shoot to kill.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    nightken wrote: »
    valoreah wrote: »
    mrspidey2 wrote: »
    Come on...we didn't go in looking for fights. It's not our fault the Tholians were being suicidal once again.

    Well, sure, that isn't the point though. It would be nice to have seen a mission where diplomacy prevails for a change instead of warp in pew pew.​​

    you mean like you warp in find a newish race, talk to em, help the, ask them to join in a the wonderful bonds of friendship? :P

    no shooting the new gal/guy/whatever at all!

    We don't shoot any new gal/guy/whatever. Just the same old.

    We help save the new gal's home world thanks to the new guy.
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    While I think it's a valid point that it would be nice to have more options where we get full XP for disabling rather than blowing up an opponent...I can't say I feel too badly considering that at the least, the Tholians were interfering with my attempt to stop a genocide. Whether or not they perpetrated the genocide, I do think there's an argument that there was no time left for diplomacy. Now if we encounter them again without an entire species on a short countdown clock to extinction...I think a disable/discuss/interrogate option could be useful (with the tone of it varying some by faction).

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  • semalda226semalda226 Member Posts: 1,994 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Actually I had the same response you guys did. Oh goodie a dying star that's neat...wait unknown ship? Sigh....ok charge the deflector we got a ship to crush...oh look tholians!
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    I thought it was okay. I'm interested to see where this goes and it was interesting making first contact with a new race, even if it was brief.
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  • mayito2009mayito2009 Member Posts: 643 Arc User
    messahla wrote: »
    I played sunrise at first i was liking it alot making first contact was so trek like and then well wouldnt ya know it? the tholians show up and we get to kill them so as usual "We come in peace shoot to kill".

    Cryptic you almost had a real gem with sunrise until you added the tholians that mission did not need a token force we get to exterminate, ive given up hope of any real "Exploration" mission it will always be the same ole same ole "we come in peace shoot to kill".

    I realy digged that mission up to the point the thols appeared then i was reminded oh yeah cryptic so go to system A kill everything beam to planet B kill more things beam back to ship in system C and kill more things warp out for reward like a god little lab rat.

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  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    This episode was confusing as hell if you were a KDF player....

    "Hey we need planets to conquer for resources, now refit your ship for exploration and find out why this star is dying.... Also pick up a Cardassian chick from DS9"

    Do mission..... NEVER collect a single resource even though there was ample opportunity to just TAKE.....


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