What's kinda buggin me lately about these lock boxes is when broken stuff is accidentally released.
I'm speaking specifically about Kemocite laced weaponry, but I do believe there are other examples too, like traits and things.
Sure we roll our eyes and say something like "There goes Cryptic/PWE releasing something untested and broken again...."
As we've become more and more accustomed to saying.
Players are going to special lengths to get them in these loto boxes, (maybe spending more money than perhaps they would normally have), To get these things, In the state they ARE RELEASED IN, (see that's the draw).
This strikes me as kinda deceptive and if they drive up key sales initially, HEY, life is good !, (at least in so far as for those who stand to profit by the initial increase in sales). Then when the Players start screaming OP, the eventual nerf bat swings and then it's, (Oops, see the players have spoken !), too bad too, cause there are no refunds...
I understand that broken stuff/TRIBBLE happens and Cryptic/PWE can adjust things in game as they see fit, BUT it is kinda lousy too at the same time.
And that small voice in my head reminds me of this, more insistently now I might add, before I even consider spending any money on these chance items.
I'm just being honest here.
The powers that be need to do a better job at testing stuff before they put them into loto boxes. More than a few of this stuff has left me feeling kinda burned.
Lolling at all the people with terrible reading comprehension that think having Herald ships will make the quadrant powers undefeatable. It's specifically stated in the blog that they are reverse engineered copies that don't match the insane technology of the Heralds, only the alliances interpretation and attempt at it.
Simply put - they are NOT the god level ships that the Herald's use.
Lolling at all the people with terrible reading comprehension that think having Herald ships will make the quadrant powers undefeatable. It's specifically stated in the blog that they are reverse engineered copies that don't match the insane technology of the Heralds, only the alliances interpretation and attempt at it.
Simply put - they are NOT the god level ships that the Herald's use.
Such phony explanations make, unfortunately, no sense at all. Why should we use the exact same ship models and not adapted technology then? Why is it necessary to replicate all those unattached floaty bits on the ships when the tech inside is not the same? And why do those ships still come from the infamous "Lobi Consortium" and not through official channels? And the alliance now is able to create solar flares, just saying...
Those explanations have absolutely no value, really.
EDIT: Re-read it. You are actually wrong.
"Though they are unable to construct new gateways, their research has led to prototypes which tap into the existing Iconian gateway network, allowing for the Heralds’ own tactics, weapons and ships to be used against them."
The Iconians own ships. The reverse-engineering bit talks about gateway technology.
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"Though they are unable to construct new gateways, their research has led to prototypes which tap into the existing Iconian gateway network, allowing for the Heralds’ own tactics, weapons and ships to be used against them."
This makes me think, why do we still need to act against Heralds? I thought we are at peace with the Iconians now, or are we still fighting T'Ket's faction?
"Though they are unable to construct new gateways, their research has led to prototypes which tap into the existing Iconian gateway network, allowing for the Heralds’ own tactics, weapons and ships to be used against them."
This makes me think, why do we still need to act against Heralds? I thought we are at peace with the Iconians now, or are we still fighting T'Ket's faction?
From what I got from the story, is that (don't look if you don't want spoilers from Midnight )
L'Miren and the Iconians, as a faction, have stood down, taken the world heart back, and went into isolation in that sphere near Iconia. T'Ket however, still appears to remain at large.
As stated in Midnight, the Iconians refused to harm one of their own, but I think they still took away her armies and all rights to control any Heralds. But that doesn't mean she can't rally puppets around herself to continue this "campaign of vengeance". Who knows, maybe she'll eventually convince other Iconians to add their forces to what little she has, making her all the more dangerous.
In that sense, it's a sensible step to first figure out how the gateway network operates, and adopt Herald tactics to counter them. And, eventually, construct gateways of our own. As long as L'Miren and the rest of the Icos don't get hurt in the fight, I don't think they'll mind. They're busy "thinking things over".
The war is over, but the embers remain.
Still don't get it why those ships have to be Herald ships though. I thought they were too heavily guarded to capture and they desintegrate when destroyed, so no salvage either.
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"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
What's kinda buggin me lately about these lock boxes is when broken stuff is accidentally released.
I'm speaking specifically about Kemocite laced weaponry, but I do believe there are other examples too, like traits and things.
Sure we roll our eyes and say something like "There goes Cryptic/PWE releasing something untested and broken again...."
As we've become more and more accustomed to saying.
Players are going to special lengths to get them in these loto boxes, (maybe spending more money than perhaps they would normally have), To get these things, In the state they ARE RELEASED IN, (see that's the draw).
This strikes me as kinda deceptive and if they drive up key sales initially, HEY, life is good !, (at least in so far as for those who stand to profit by the initial increase in sales). Then when the Players start screaming OP, the eventual nerf bat swings and then it's, (Oops, see the players have spoken !), too bad too, cause there are no refunds...
I understand that broken stuff/TRIBBLE happens and Cryptic/PWE can adjust things in game as they see fit, BUT it is kinda lousy too at the same time.
And that small voice in my head reminds me of this, more insistently now I might add, before I even consider spending any money on these chance items.
I'm just being honest here.
The powers that be need to do a better job at testing stuff before they put them into loto boxes. More than a few of this stuff has left me feeling kinda burned.
Not saying the Cryptic do it on purpose, but as they say, power sells.
Apparently kemo is getting fixed, but of course, they are just about to release a new op broken lockbox, and they already have your money...
"Though they are unable to construct new gateways, their research has led to prototypes which tap into the existing Iconian gateway network, allowing for the Heralds’ own tactics, weapons and ships to be used against them."
This makes me think, why do we still need to act against Heralds? I thought we are at peace with the Iconians now, or are we still fighting T'Ket's faction?
From what I got from the story, is that (don't look if you don't want spoilers from Midnight )
L'Miren and the Iconians, as a faction, have stood down, taken the world heart back, and went into isolation in that sphere near Iconia. T'Ket however, still appears to remain at large.
As stated in Midnight, the Iconians refused to harm one of their own, but I think they still took away her armies and all rights to control any Heralds. But that doesn't mean she can't rally puppets around herself to continue this "campaign of vengeance". Who knows, maybe she'll eventually convince other Iconians to add their forces to what little she has, making her all the more dangerous.
In that sense, it's a sensible step to first figure out how the gateway network operates, and adopt Herald tactics to counter them. And, eventually, construct gateways of our own. As long as L'Miren and the rest of the Icos don't get hurt in the fight, I don't think they'll mind. They're busy "thinking things over".
The war is over, but the embers remain.
Still don't get it why those ships have to be Herald ships though. I thought they were too heavily guarded to capture and they desintegrate when destroyed, so no salvage either.
Question about that spoiler though...
I have not seen any proof that T'Ket's armies were taken away. L'Miren simply told us to watch our backs, and left us knowing that T'Ket's threat was still out there. My understanding was that we only had a partial peace and that L'Miren doesn't care if T'Ket kills more of us so she doesn't have to do more damage to her precious Whole. What exact line of dialogue says that T'Ket was disarmed?
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"Though they are unable to construct new gateways, their research has led to prototypes which tap into the existing Iconian gateway network, allowing for the Heralds’ own tactics, weapons and ships to be used against them."
This makes me think, why do we still need to act against Heralds? I thought we are at peace with the Iconians now, or are we still fighting T'Ket's faction?
From what I got from the story, is that (don't look if you don't want spoilers from Midnight )
L'Miren and the Iconians, as a faction, have stood down, taken the world heart back, and went into isolation in that sphere near Iconia. T'Ket however, still appears to remain at large.
As stated in Midnight, the Iconians refused to harm one of their own, but I think they still took away her armies and all rights to control any Heralds. But that doesn't mean she can't rally puppets around herself to continue this "campaign of vengeance". Who knows, maybe she'll eventually convince other Iconians to add their forces to what little she has, making her all the more dangerous.
In that sense, it's a sensible step to first figure out how the gateway network operates, and adopt Herald tactics to counter them. And, eventually, construct gateways of our own. As long as L'Miren and the rest of the Icos don't get hurt in the fight, I don't think they'll mind. They're busy "thinking things over".
The war is over, but the embers remain.
Still don't get it why those ships have to be Herald ships though. I thought they were too heavily guarded to capture and they desintegrate when destroyed, so no salvage either.
Question about that spoiler though...
I have not seen any proof that T'Ket's armies were taken away. L'Miren simply told us to watch our backs, and left us knowing that T'Ket's threat was still out there. My understanding was that we only had a partial peace and that L'Miren doesn't care if T'Ket kills more of us so she doesn't have to do more damage to her precious Whole. What exact line of dialogue says that T'Ket was disarmed?
Exactly. T'Ket is still at it, but she now lacks the support of the other Iconians.
What exact line of dialogue says that T'Ket was disarmed?
None that I can remember It's just me trying to interpret the whole thing and to try & project stuff forward.
And me trying to look inside an Ico's head XD
It just kinda feels... logical (#VulcanAlert ^^) to disarm a rogue element who wants to continue exterminating a faction that:
saved you and your buddies in the past when your world was bombarded to Kingdom Come
returned the most precious item of your empire, the World Heart, in the present
I also think we're far from being done with the Iconians - not just T'Ket. The player character, as the Other, may become a sort of liaison or mediator in the future.
Starfleet should create a new branch that deals with relics like the World Heart. Bring on the DILAF!
Department of Items Lost And Found (kidding)
"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
-
"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Sorta seems like when it will start droping is something that should be in like, I don't know...the first or second sentence of the announcment...
Everything announced so far has indicated that it will begin either with the start of the next Season (11- New Dawn) or shortly there after.
What on earth possesses you to believe that this particular item will begin any other time?
BTW: In case you really haven't been paying attention... Season 11-New Dawn, starts this Tuesday October 27th, 2015.
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I admit I was expecting the new lockbox to be Terran Lockbox.
And I admit a part of me kind of thought that Herald ships/tech wouldn't be released to the players in order to preserve the mystery/dangerousness of the Iconians. That being said of course I don't mind in the slightest that the next box is a Herald lockbox.
"Though they are unable to construct new gateways, their research has led to prototypes which tap into the existing Iconian gateway network, allowing for the Heralds’ own tactics, weapons and ships to be used against them."
This makes me think, why do we still need to act against Heralds? I thought we are at peace with the Iconians now, or are we still fighting T'Ket's faction?
From what I got from the story, is that (don't look if you don't want spoilers from Midnight )
L'Miren and the Iconians, as a faction, have stood down, taken the world heart back, and went into isolation in that sphere near Iconia. T'Ket however, still appears to remain at large.
As stated in Midnight, the Iconians refused to harm one of their own, but I think they still took away her armies and all rights to control any Heralds. But that doesn't mean she can't rally puppets around herself to continue this "campaign of vengeance". Who knows, maybe she'll eventually convince other Iconians to add their forces to what little she has, making her all the more dangerous.
In that sense, it's a sensible step to first figure out how the gateway network operates, and adopt Herald tactics to counter them. And, eventually, construct gateways of our own. As long as L'Miren and the rest of the Icos don't get hurt in the fight, I don't think they'll mind. They're busy "thinking things over".
The war is over, but the embers remain.
Still don't get it why those ships have to be Herald ships though. I thought they were too heavily guarded to capture and they desintegrate when destroyed, so no salvage either.
Question about that spoiler though...
I have not seen any proof that T'Ket's armies were taken away. L'Miren simply told us to watch our backs, and left us knowing that T'Ket's threat was still out there. My understanding was that we only had a partial peace and that L'Miren doesn't care if T'Ket kills more of us so she doesn't have to do more damage to her precious Whole. What exact line of dialogue says that T'Ket was disarmed?
The Impression that I got was L'Miren considers both The Other (Your character) and T'Ket to be part of the Whole, and as such she won't take up arms against either of you, as her people have suffered too much death and destruction. So basically you and T'ket have to settle you differences (one way or the other) without endangering more of the Whole. She may likely see T'ket as insane, but still, even mad, she is her sister and one of the few Iconians left.
Who knows, perhaps this "duel/feud" approach is how Iconians handled grudges in the past? The way I see the ships, for the 2-3 characters of mine that are really into the whole Iconian/Other element of it, the ship(s) and tech they will use were granted to them by L'Miren as a way to help defend them against the other. Remember, they Iconians think higher of you as a person/individual then of your species. An individual can rise above the masses, etc. You are the Other, not all Humans, Klingons, Romulans (That is particularly odd), etc.
But all of that aside there is no evidence that T'Ket was disarmed in any way. Hell, since the sphere is missing now from the Icvonia system maybe T'Ket took it, leaving the other Iconians on Iconia with their Heralds for defense. Conversely, the Iconians could have shunted it somewhere else as a reserve in case of treachery or some unforseen danger.
But it's a safe bet to assume that at the least, T'ket has control of her own Heralds and their ships.
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Granted, it's better than Champions, but not by much.
Does The Black Adder work for you?
Not saying it's Iconians, but... it's Iconians.
I'm speaking specifically about Kemocite laced weaponry, but I do believe there are other examples too, like traits and things.
Sure we roll our eyes and say something like "There goes Cryptic/PWE releasing something untested and broken again...."
As we've become more and more accustomed to saying.
Players are going to special lengths to get them in these loto boxes, (maybe spending more money than perhaps they would normally have), To get these things, In the state they ARE RELEASED IN, (see that's the draw).
This strikes me as kinda deceptive and if they drive up key sales initially, HEY, life is good !, (at least in so far as for those who stand to profit by the initial increase in sales). Then when the Players start screaming OP, the eventual nerf bat swings and then it's, (Oops, see the players have spoken !), too bad too, cause there are no refunds...
I understand that broken stuff/TRIBBLE happens and Cryptic/PWE can adjust things in game as they see fit, BUT it is kinda lousy too at the same time.
And that small voice in my head reminds me of this, more insistently now I might add, before I even consider spending any money on these chance items.
I'm just being honest here.
The powers that be need to do a better job at testing stuff before they put them into loto boxes. More than a few of this stuff has left me feeling kinda burned.
My character Tsin'xing
Simply put - they are NOT the god level ships that the Herald's use.
Such phony explanations make, unfortunately, no sense at all. Why should we use the exact same ship models and not adapted technology then? Why is it necessary to replicate all those unattached floaty bits on the ships when the tech inside is not the same? And why do those ships still come from the infamous "Lobi Consortium" and not through official channels? And the alliance now is able to create solar flares, just saying...
Those explanations have absolutely no value, really.
EDIT: Re-read it. You are actually wrong.
"Though they are unable to construct new gateways, their research has led to prototypes which tap into the existing Iconian gateway network, allowing for the Heralds’ own tactics, weapons and ships to be used against them."
The Iconians own ships. The reverse-engineering bit talks about gateway technology.
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This makes me think, why do we still need to act against Heralds? I thought we are at peace with the Iconians now, or are we still fighting T'Ket's faction?
From what I got from the story, is that (don't look if you don't want spoilers from Midnight
As stated in Midnight, the Iconians refused to harm one of their own, but I think they still took away her armies and all rights to control any Heralds. But that doesn't mean she can't rally puppets around herself to continue this "campaign of vengeance". Who knows, maybe she'll eventually convince other Iconians to add their forces to what little she has, making her all the more dangerous.
In that sense, it's a sensible step to first figure out how the gateway network operates, and adopt Herald tactics to counter them. And, eventually, construct gateways of our own. As long as L'Miren and the rest of the Icos don't get hurt in the fight, I don't think they'll mind. They're busy "thinking things over".
The war is over, but the embers remain.
Still don't get it why those ships have to be Herald ships though. I thought they were too heavily guarded to capture and they desintegrate when destroyed, so no salvage either.
-
"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Not saying the Cryptic do it on purpose, but as they say, power sells.
Apparently kemo is getting fixed, but of course, they are just about to release a new op broken lockbox, and they already have your money...
Question about that spoiler though...
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Instead of quoting the whole thing again and making it waaaay too TLDR, I'll do a clean slate instead @gulberat
None that I can remember
And me trying to look inside an Ico's head XD
It just kinda feels... logical (#VulcanAlert ^^) to disarm a rogue element who wants to continue exterminating a faction that:
I also think we're far from being done with the Iconians - not just T'Ket. The player character, as the Other, may become a sort of liaison or mediator in the future.
Starfleet should create a new branch that deals with relics like the World Heart. Bring on the DILAF!
Department of Items Lost And Found (kidding)
-
"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Everything announced so far has indicated that it will begin either with the start of the next Season (11- New Dawn) or shortly there after.
What on earth possesses you to believe that this particular item will begin any other time?
BTW: In case you really haven't been paying attention... Season 11-New Dawn, starts this Tuesday October 27th, 2015.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
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And I admit a part of me kind of thought that Herald ships/tech wouldn't be released to the players in order to preserve the mystery/dangerousness of the Iconians. That being said of course I don't mind in the slightest that the next box is a Herald lockbox.
We'll get some nifty things out of it.
The Impression that I got was L'Miren considers both The Other (Your character) and T'Ket to be part of the Whole, and as such she won't take up arms against either of you, as her people have suffered too much death and destruction. So basically you and T'ket have to settle you differences (one way or the other) without endangering more of the Whole. She may likely see T'ket as insane, but still, even mad, she is her sister and one of the few Iconians left.
Who knows, perhaps this "duel/feud" approach is how Iconians handled grudges in the past? The way I see the ships, for the 2-3 characters of mine that are really into the whole Iconian/Other element of it, the ship(s) and tech they will use were granted to them by L'Miren as a way to help defend them against the other. Remember, they Iconians think higher of you as a person/individual then of your species. An individual can rise above the masses, etc. You are the Other, not all Humans, Klingons, Romulans (That is particularly odd), etc.
But all of that aside there is no evidence that T'Ket was disarmed in any way. Hell, since the sphere is missing now from the Icvonia system maybe T'Ket took it, leaving the other Iconians on Iconia with their Heralds for defense. Conversely, the Iconians could have shunted it somewhere else as a reserve in case of treachery or some unforseen danger.
But it's a safe bet to assume that at the least, T'ket has control of her own Heralds and their ships.
Got the Lobi and the EC at the ready.