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fix coming...
what about the crit?
is it going to crit on torps, beams, cannons?
then what?
fix coming...
what about the crit?
is it going to crit on torps, beams, cannons?
then what?
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Not necessarily OP mind you but everyone out there who obviously doesn't have it and use torps... but come next Tuesday they will LOL.
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Sounds like another FAW TAC to me.
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I only have 1 copy of kemo but still can dish out more than 75K without it so it needs a fix. (to be honoust the lag allone from the effect is making me go like oooh slide show....)
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Do you think maybe it comes across as hypocritical to criticize someone else play style while your own style involves taking advantage of an exploit?
Not trying to be snide, but you had to know that at some point they were going to fix this right? The ability is very obviously broken.
This can't come as a surprise to you.
Kemocite was confirmed broken. Broken doesn't mean overpowered. It means the ability is not working as originally designed or as described in the tool box. Stuff can break for the better of the ability, such as Kemocite being more effective as it was designed and described to be. But remember when FAW was broken into not granting Critical hits? That was the negative side of something being broken.
Kemocite, in its current form, was broken to allow players to reach damage numbers they should not be able to reach as per description of the ability. And this brokenness is going to be fixed. Just like anything broken should be fixed.
Now, on the question of it being OP, one has to ask two things.
1) Something being OP will hurt PvP a lot, should anybody at this point still worry about the coffin we buried PvP in a year ago? Or in better terms should we worry on the effect of something OP on whatever remains of PvP?
2) With content in this game being designed more and more around DPS (see any Advanced/Elite PvE with the timers for killing stuff), will an OP damage ability help players to finally defeat the content, or will it just lead to more and more DPS-heavy content requiring more and more high damage numbers to defeat?
These questions were just food for thought, and as such I won't give an answer, other than giving the maxim: "Asking a question is answering it."
Personally, I feel that Kemocite should have been fixed a long time ago, and probably nerfed in effectiveness. This is spoken as a person who switches between beams, cannons and torpedoes on each character, with just one of the 10 chars being a FAW DPS character. And no, I never got a single copy of Kemocite. But that is out of principle that I feel that boff powers should not be lock-box exclusive.
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Yeah, this please.
Was it twitter, reddit or some stream? 'Cause there sure isn't anything mentioned on any official source.
LOL yep, I haven’t found anything either which boils this thread down to another pointless discussion where peeps throw their two cents at the ever changing rules of this game.
A lesson will be taught here again eventually, no lesson will be learned here like usually.
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Uh... sources?
Yes we need Sauce. How do you expect to make decent Kemocite pizza without it?
Even if they fixed it, it'll still cost tens of millions of EC. It's still better to have than any other ability in an ensign slot, simply because the pickings there are so slim.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/3ox5bi/podcast_the_show_trek_wednesday_binary_bits/cw1mrhz
Probably won't get a nerf based on that comment. But we'll wait and see...
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They seem to be fine with stuff like zemok, leech and valdore as well. Kinda fun statement after the “rerun” of doffs with old abilities where a zemok counterpart has been deliberately left out recently.
The way it reads they prefer to have superb abilities/items in game and that in small but controllable amounts of availability instead of making it accessible to everyone easily. It’s a open YES to P2W as hard as it can get but hardly surprising.
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I really don't care if someone wants to use an exploit in PvE, but when it starts to lag other people out in the match, that's crossing the line.
Like that expression, "Your rights end, where mine begin".
I just hope this will fix the nasty lag spikes. Over the last month, I've not had any urge to parse an ISA or participate in the channel call outs for ISA, because I know there will always be at least one (if not 3 or 4) people using it.
Really sucks the fun out of it for me.
It's already been confirmed in multiple places around the forums here that the current state of Kemocite is broken. The ability is only supposed to be active for the 10 seconds it mentions in the tooltip. However once you activated it that first initial time it never shut itself off and you could benefit from it all the time. Just having multiple copies of Kemocite was causing the ability to trigger more than it was supposed to as well.
As others have said you had to know that it was going to get fixed when it was discovered that was the case. It was never intended for kemocite to get to the point it has currently. It was most certainly intended to be a useful ability yes, but not like this.
Even after it's fixed it's still going to be a useful ability to have as it will fill ensign tac slots for everyone that don't like the current choices available to them. it's not exactly like the ability will be completely useless. I for one will just be glad the ability is getting fixed and hopefully it doesn't lag my build like it has been. pretty sad when I can have the resources I do in this build and it lag like it does. When something is ridiculously broke like it is then yes it needs to be fixed.
As to those wonder why it hasn't happened just yet, it takes time to fix bugs in something. It's not as simple as just flipping a switch (would be great if it was that simple) and things just go back to normal. When you're dealing with bugs sometimes you have to scour through the lines of code to determine where the error is, what's causing it, and come up with a solution to fix it without making it worse or breaking something else. not exactly as simple as it sounds.
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When people start classifying criticism on kemocite as mere envy i stop taking their comments serious.
That podcast was a complete and utter waste of time. From time to time that cast has useful info, but this was not one of those days.
I don't think debuffs can crit - correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen a debuff crit before. Your weapons can crit on a debuffed enemy, but that's just strategy. You should be firing weapons on the debuffed enemy. It makes sense.
Personally I don't care if they fix the bug where it procs multiple times on one hit. This seems to be making it work great for torp spread builds, but I suspect it won't make much of a difference for BFAW builds. When you have 8 beams firing 5 times each during a BFAW volley that's 40 hits per volley. Since beams have a 4 second cycle time and BFAW lasts 10 seconds, you always get two volleys with it, which means 80 hits per activation of BFAW.
Since kemocite has a 10% chance to proc with energy weapons, that's an average of 8 kemocite procs per activation of BFAW. This is how it would work as intended, without the multi-proc bug.
Then add weapon haste into the mix. The emergency weapons cycle trait from the arbiter hastens your weapons cycle. So does the reroute reserves to weapons pilot ability. I am using emergency weapons cycle on my ship but I am still only getting two BFAW volleys per activation. The reroute reserves to weapons has better weapon haste and I think if I used it along with emergency weapons cycle I would get 3 volleys of BFAW per activation. At 120 hits in 10 seconds I would average 12 procs of kemocite - again without the multi-proc bug.
While I'm still waiting for a good beam boat with pilot seating I think this is the way you would want to use kemocite post bug-fix. Players aren't going to go "ahhh man, it got fixed. Might as well use something else now..." Nope even when it gets fixed it will still be one of the best tac abilities in the game. The only difference might be that people start using it more with BFAW instead of torp spread.
Ironically, combining kemocite with BFAW is what most of the complainers are complaining about right now. Post bug-fix they will get to see it ALL the time! My advice: get a better GPU that can handle all the particle effects. If you see slowdown during multiple kemo explosions that's not internet lag, that's your GPU being tormented by millions of little yellowish particles. The graphics aren't sent to you over the internet - that's all handled client side.
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
A mere fix is what is called for now. If freezing and crashing continues to be the norm when kemo is used, then several steps that include yes nerfing must also happen, though I'm hopeful this is NOT necessary. If it still is going to freeze and crash people out of the game afterward, then it is just time to pull the plug entirely.
Is kemocite pizza bugged too? What if I eat multiple slices? Do they all proc at once?
To the OP: a source would be nice. I know there's a half fix on tribble.
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Excellent post!