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sdkraustsdkraust Member Posts: 524 Arc User
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A daily reminder that NO GAME, would keep such an overpowered, broken ability in their game as long as Cryptic has.

In any normal game that ability would have been quick-patched a week after the bug was discovered.
It has been several MONTHS and Cryptic has done NOTHING.

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Wow so many people itt not knowing anything about how these parses work.

Person with no damage probably had next to no combat time, which isn't shaming.
Guy did ~90K in Kemocite Damage. It's a torp build. (People saying FAW & Kemo is OP isn't the problem, it's torps).
Anyone can go download SCM and see parses like this. Loads of people do 140K on CCA and ~90-100k of it is Kemocite Explosions.

If I still had the parse I'd throw a damage breakdown out here. Hoping someone like @odenknight can post a damage breakdown from a Neutronic Torp + Kemo build.

There is no piloting involved in CCA with a runtime like this. Your Alpha doesn't even end.
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  • thibashthibash Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    sdkraust wrote: »
    A daily reminder that NO GAME, would keep such an overpowered, broken ability in their game as long as Cryptic has.

    Guild Wars 2 took 3(!) years to finally fix Conjure Frost Bow. But I agree, Kemocite needs a fix. And to pre-empt any who play the jealousy card: I have it, use it on my torpedoboat and I still think it should get a nerf. :)

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  • seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    Thanks for reminding me not to waste EC on something this stupid.
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  • sdkraustsdkraust Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    deokkent wrote: »
    Doesn't matter, there is no need for balance in sto.

    I'm assuming you're the type of person that would rather feign ignorance than actually be informed.
    Thanks for reminding me not to waste EC on something this stupid.

    +1. I do not support shady tactics like this. I make enough money to afford Kemo but I refuse to buy it, and I run a Torp build.
  • tempusmagustempusmagus Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    thibash wrote: »
    sdkraust wrote: »
    A daily reminder that NO GAME, would keep such an overpowered, broken ability in their game as long as Cryptic has.

    Guild Wars 2 took 3(!) years to finally fix Conjure Frost Bow. But I agree, Kemocite needs a fix. And to pre-empt any who play the jealousy card: I have it, use it on my torpedoboat and I still think it should get a nerf. :)

    It doesn't need a nerf, it needs to be fixed. The funniest part is the new rep system on Tribble. It is heavily torpedo focused.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    Most likely it will be fixed if it is around the time of the new lockbox. Perhaps there will be a lesson in this? hmm perhaps not.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Are you sure it was Kemocite, and not the Dark Side of the Force?​​
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  • sdkraustsdkraust Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    Are you sure it was Kemocite, and not the Dark Side of the Force?​​

    Are you sure that Kemocite isn't the dark side of the force?
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    Somewhat off topic, but what parser is that?​​
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    I see this now pretty much every trip into CCA with the big orange red yellow whatever rings constantly going up on the poor entity. Lord Duku is involved for sure.

    I will say that no one has still managed to beat my Valdore console warbird with it :)
    Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • sdkraustsdkraust Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    burstorion wrote: »
    Somewhat off topic, but what parser is that?​​

    STO Combat Meter:
    http://stodps.com/sto-combat-meter/
  • ancientfighterancientfighter Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    sry, ur screenshoot dun display any info about kemo,
    and why people always like to complain about dps?
    start to complain about the heal lol, op!!! nerf!!!
  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    sdkraust wrote: »
    kwYFa.png

    A daily reminder that NO GAME, would keep such an overpowered, broken ability in their game as long as Cryptic has.

    In any normal game that ability would have been quick-patched a week after the bug was discovered.
    It has been several MONTHS and Cryptic has done NOTHING.

    I feel sorry for all the others that got beat with the AFK banstick as a result of that monstrosity. I don't even know if I can fault them. Did they just not pack decent numbers, or do they keep arriving at graveyards instead of battlefields?
  • sdkraustsdkraust Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    kyrrok wrote: »
    sdkraust wrote: »
    kwYFa.png

    A daily reminder that NO GAME, would keep such an overpowered, broken ability in their game as long as Cryptic has.

    In any normal game that ability would have been quick-patched a week after the bug was discovered.
    It has been several MONTHS and Cryptic has done NOTHING.

    I feel sorry for all the others that got beat with the AFK banstick as a result of that monstrosity. I don't even know if I can fault them. Did they just not pack decent numbers, or do they keep arriving at graveyards instead of battlefields?

    Couple of times I've gotten into a CCA so late I've just had enough time to tag the Entity.
    I feel their pain.
  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    post deleted. I was thinking of something else when I typed it up.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    It's not so much the gross amounts of DPS I find annoying, it's more that these players insist on not sticking to elite queues but instead chase the easier marks and ruin it for the rest of us.

    Touch wood I have not seen this in action myself, it's tricky enough to contribute as it is.​​
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    Most CCA I've done are coming in around 90 seconds lately because of the kemocite. If in a group without it it will be 3 to 4 minutes. So basically the kemocite doubles the 10 person groups dps.
    Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    For the guy that had 300 dps, does this thread count as naming and shaming?
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    No offense, but this, alone, "proves" nothing.

    Other than how "Vader" has managed to pull off 100k in Crystalline, how are we to determine, from this screenshot alone, that it's 100% kemocite and not something like, oh, finding a glitch to get to 100% crit hit rate or something else like that...
    Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...

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  • sinn74sinn74 Member Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    sdkraust wrote: »
    kwYFa.png

    A daily reminder that NO GAME, would keep such an overpowered, broken ability in their game as long as Cryptic has.

    In any normal game that ability would have been quick-patched a week after the bug was discovered.
    It has been several MONTHS and Cryptic has done NOTHING.

    How much of that is from Kemocite? That's just a reminder that some people are doing more DPS than others. Im curious as to why you didnt just blur the name and show what % of that number was attributed to the Kemo proc. That picture alone means absolutely nothing, as far as your point is concerned.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,469 Arc User
    deokkent wrote: »
    dareau wrote: »
    No offense, but this, alone, "proves" nothing.

    Other than how "Vader" has managed to pull off 100k in Crystalline, how are we to determine, from this screenshot alone, that it's 100% kemocite and not something like, oh, finding a glitch to get to 100% crit hit rate or something else like that...

    Or skills.

    NVM, I just remembered this is farmville sto. Skills in sto, hA!

    Lol...well 'Googling' and 'Copy & Paste' are skills, aren't they!? Still can't get over people thinking of DPS as a level of skill!
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  • delerouxdeleroux Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    $$$ Working as intended $$$
  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    deokkent wrote: »
    dareau wrote: »
    No offense, but this, alone, "proves" nothing.

    Other than how "Vader" has managed to pull off 100k in Crystalline, how are we to determine, from this screenshot alone, that it's 100% kemocite and not something like, oh, finding a glitch to get to 100% crit hit rate or something else like that...

    Or skills.

    NVM, I just remembered this is farmville sto. Skills in sto, hA!

    I'll go on record on saying that, especially with that 1:47 "engagement" time, the amount of "skill" necessary is even less than the purported "get to BFaW range of a cluster then pull trigger" claims of ISA.

    Looks like Vader got right on top of the entity (max damage and within the safe zone of the wave) and pulled trigger(s) often enough to activate whatever was necessary what, 4 times in the engagement?
    Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...

    To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    I want to reiterate that while it is apparently doing bonus FAW damage, you'd see numbers less than half that with FAW spam.

    The simplest short term fix would be to temporarily disable Kemocite from working with torpedoes until a fix is in.
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  • tempusmagustempusmagus Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    dareau wrote: »
    No offense, but this, alone, "proves" nothing.

    Other than how "Vader" has managed to pull off 100k in Crystalline, how are we to determine, from this screenshot alone, that it's 100% kemocite and not something like, oh, finding a glitch to get to 100% crit hit rate or something else like that...

    SCM can pull up the parse of their top run. You can see the breakdown of damage. This wasn't his top run, so you can't say anything from this particular parse and the limited information. Although, the high end dps runs for CCA are mostly kemo-boosted runs.
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    They are actively working on a fix now for S11. The same bug affects the new Terran secondary torpedoes. They keep firing infinitely with TS. It was funny being able to destroy ships in Tribble with just torpedoes.
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Kemo is bad for your health (unless you have something worse already)...

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    Heh, my Engineer in an Intrepid pulled off 55k DPS in CCA fairly recently, nearly 12k of all that damage kame from my KLW II alone.
    But the biggest problem of all are Tactical captains, they have so many force multipliers at their disposal, that they compound the problem like mad.

    If anything, Tactical Captains are the single most broken thing in the entire game IMO.
    I mean the standing DPS records for Tac's are literally "double" that of any science captain or engineer. Which in turn leads to a very vicious circle of nerfs, that ultimately completely TRIBBLE over Engineers and Science captains.

    IMO Tactical captain buffs should be changed to affect "weapons damage" ONLY, and not exotic and secondary damage sources.
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