No because I just feel that a Mirranda is too old to fit in at endgame, same with Constitution and Excelsior classes. They are old old ships and would never be around almost 200 years after they were first introduced. That's like using a biplane to fight off a nuclear sub.
Any ship which could be considered the modern equivalent of a Mirranda would be so far from the original by now it wouldn't be the same ship. If you're looking for a modern light escort style ship that is highly versatile then there is the Aquarius class. Or even something like the Nova class which is small enough and if it had variants to allow more flexibility could be a similar idea.
No because I just feel that a Mirranda is too old to fit in at endgame, same with Constitution and Excelsior classes. They are old old ships and would never be around almost 200 years after they were first introduced. That's like using a biplane to fight off a nuclear sub.
Any ship which could be considered the modern equivalent of a Mirranda would be so far from the original by now it wouldn't be the same ship.
If you're looking for a modern light escort style ship that is highly versatile then there is the Aquarius class. Or even something like the Nova class which is small enough and if it had variants to allow more flexibility could be a similar idea.
People who are asking for their favorite ships aesthetic reasons not for ships that can do what they do. Cryptic could get around this probably by making new ships that have design feature like the Connie or Miranda but just updated
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There is no sound argument why a T6 Miranda is not possible. Star Ships are not bound by the same limitation of modern naval ships, and the Star Fleet is not bound by the same limitations as a modern navy.
1. Age - A Miranda cannot be too old for endgame [T5/T6] when there are older ships already working for endgame. D7, B'rel, Excelsior: 23rd Century. T'varo, D'kyr: 22nd Century.
2. Size - A Miranda cannot be too small for endgame when there are smaller ships already working for endgame: B'rel, T'varo. Moreover, ships of similar size to miranda also exist as endgame ships: Aquarius, Saber, Defiant.
3. Authority - We can wear uniforms from any era because a captain has total authority over his crew's uniform. Players can change the shape and material of their ship's hull, suggesting they have the power to do so. Players are running about the galaxy as Fleet Admirals these days, and permitting refits, retrofits, and new constructions would likewise be under their authority.
4. Construction - There is a difference between continuously upgrading an old ship for 200 years, and building a new one from the atoms up that *looks* like a 200 year old ship. Here, we are talking about the latter.
5. Role - We do not suggest that for a Miranda to be endgame that it must also be equal to a defiant, saber, or any other Escort or raider. Miranda would probably end up with stats comparable to a Nova retrofit, or it could be the "jack of all trades, master of none" that it is now when compared to the other starter ships.
6. The B'rel. - Yes, the B'rel. The B'rel is a contemporary ship to the Miranda.... and there is absolutley nothing you can point to on the B'rel that allows you to say it's "more upgradable" than the Miranda. Also, there is absolutley nothing you can point to on the Miranda that makes it "less upgradable" than the B'rel. Miranda > B'rel. Therefore, if B'rel is upgradable, then so is Miranda.
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I understand those who say that there shouldn't be engame Galaxy-class ships or Prometheus-class ships. Tiering the ships by era replicates how modern ships and modern navies work, 1=ENT, 2=TOS, 3=TNG, 4=DS9/VOY, 5=Cannon Future, 6=Cryptic+Beyond. I totally get it, and such an arrangement is a very valid alternative way. Though, that's not what is happening here. Once again: Excelsior, B'rel, D7, D'kyr, T'varo...
...Miranda
=/\=
Through breaking waves and vicious storms /
Against lightning's fury and thunder's scorn /
Only through fire is order forged /
WIth vibrant glory /
A sword
=/\=
No because I just feel that a Mirranda is too old to fit in at endgame, same with Constitution and Excelsior classes. They are old old ships and would never be around almost 200 years after they were first introduced. That's like using a biplane to fight off a nuclear sub.
Any ship which could be considered the modern equivalent of a Mirranda would be so far from the original by now it wouldn't be the same ship.
If you're looking for a modern light escort style ship that is highly versatile then there is the Aquarius class. Or even something like the Nova class which is small enough and if it had variants to allow more flexibility could be a similar idea.
People who are asking for their favorite ships aesthetic reasons not for ships that can do what they do. Cryptic could get around this probably by making new ships that have design feature like the Connie or Miranda but just updated
Except they can't even do that...I don't agree with a T5/T6 Connie but I would see no problem with a T5/T6 Excalibur or Exeter...but they can't even do that or they would have by now.
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Yes.
There is no sound argument why a T6 Miranda is not possible. Star Ships are not bound by the same limitation of modern naval ships, and the Star Fleet is not bound by the same limitations as a modern navy.
1. Age - A Miranda cannot be too old for endgame [T5/T6] when there are older ships already working for endgame. D7, B'rel, Excelsior: 23rd Century. T'varo, D'kyr: 22nd Century.
2. Size - A Miranda cannot be too small for endgame when there are smaller ships already working for endgame: B'rel, T'varo. Moreover, ships of similar size to miranda also exist as endgame ships: Aquarius, Saber, Defiant.
3. Authority - We can wear uniforms from any era because a captain has total authority over his crew's uniform. Players can change the shape and material of their ship's hull, suggesting they have the power to do so. Players are running about the galaxy as Fleet Admirals these days, and permitting refits, retrofits, and new constructions would likewise be under their authority.
4. Construction - There is a difference between continuously upgrading an old ship for 200 years, and building a new one from the atoms up that *looks* like a 200 year old ship. Here, we are talking about the latter.
5. Role - We do not suggest that for a Miranda to be endgame that it must also be equal to a defiant, saber, or any other Escort or raider. Miranda would probably end up with stats comparable to a Nova retrofit, or it could be the "jack of all trades, master of none" that it is now when compared to the other starter ships.
6. The B'rel. - Yes, the B'rel. The B'rel is a contemporary ship to the Miranda.... and there is absolutley nothing you can point to on the B'rel that allows you to say it's "more upgradable" than the Miranda. Also, there is absolutley nothing you can point to on the Miranda that makes it "less upgradable" than the B'rel. Miranda > B'rel. Therefore, if B'rel is upgradable, then so is Miranda.
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I understand those who say that there shouldn't be engame Galaxy-class ships or Prometheus-class ships. Tiering the ships by era replicates how modern ships and modern navies work, 1=ENT, 2=TOS, 3=TNG, 4=DS9/VOY, 5=Cannon Future, 6=Cryptic+Beyond. I totally get it, and such an arrangement is a very valid alternative way. Though, that's not what is happening here. Once again: Excelsior, B'rel, D7, D'kyr, T'varo...
...Miranda
=/\=
There is also need for a T6 Miranda, there are a multitude of ships that can do the Miranda's job better, faster, cheaper. It doesn't make sense to build a old ship like new when you can build a new ship design for half the time or cost.
Yes.
There is no sound argument why a T6 Miranda is not possible.....
4. Construction - There is a difference between continuously upgrading an old ship for 200 years, and building a new one from the atoms up that *looks* like a 200 year old ship. Here, we are talking about the latter.
There is also need for a T6 Miranda, there are a multitude of ships that can do the Miranda's job better, faster, cheaper. It doesn't make sense to build a old ship like new when you can build a new ship design for half the time or cost.
Did you read point #4? I'm talking about building new ships like old, not old ships like new.
Your point is not sound. You are saying that there is no need for MIrandas, given newer designs. Need for a class of ship is not what drives them to exist in STO. If the only ships that were to exist were the ones starfleet "needs," then there would be only a handful of classes to choose from, and nearly no costume options.
Using your reasoning, it also means that there is no need for the Intrepid or the Nebula, given the Dauntless and the Scryer. There is no need for the Sovereign or Galaxy, given the Regent and the Andromeda. There is no need for the Defiant, given the Mercury. There is no need for D'kyr, B'rel, D7, Excelsior, Qin, Samraw, Dervish, Tempest, Emissary, Akira.... there is no "need" for you to be able to put Cerberus-class nacells on a Prometheus-class ship. There is no need for you to wear anything other than a standard issue uniform. There is no need for a multitude of tribbles and gingerbread pets from Q, there is no need for starfleet to retrofit a fleet cardassian Galors and Risian Space-Cruiseliners with Aegis space sets.
The idea is to captain ships that you like to look at. That's all.
Through breaking waves and vicious storms /
Against lightning's fury and thunder's scorn /
Only through fire is order forged /
WIth vibrant glory /
A sword
=/\=
No. But then I don't want to see Excelsiors, Constitutions, Galaxys, Constellations or any TOS/TMP/TNG era ship at endgame.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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No. I'd rather have Cryptic modernize the Fed Star Cruiser into their rendition of the Achilles-class cruiser, right down to the addition of Micro-Quantum Torp Barrages for broadsiding. Preferably as a ship weapon rather than a console (since this is a second-line starship rather than an iconic ship; and we're long overdue for some new weapons that come with a ship; the last we got was the Aux Phaser cannons and Wide-Angle Torp).
And even then, I'd still prefer an Assault Cruiser and a DSSV as other second-line T6 ships; also preferably with weapons rather than consoles, as a means to sell them.
I just want to use the unloved second-line ships languishing at T5 in regular and Fleet variants at T6, and without anything notably fancy beyond a unique weapon that can be used on other ships, rather than ship-specific consoles, and a simple minor Hybrid seat. Yes, that even includes the ridiculous bubble bow science ship.
Only after those get T6s shall I support a T6 Miranda.
Any design could be stripped and refitted with the latest power systems and hull materials. Why not introduce a vessel that's Miranda-like in its overall appearance but with some differences?
It's actually funny how miranda NPCs get 2/2 weapon slots, EP2E 2, Engi Team 1, Extend Shields 1 AND Torp:HY 1, and we only get to fly a 2/1 with three ensign stations... I actually noticed it on Terran Frigates in Mirror Invasion who kept extend-shielding each other, and I was like "wait, wouldn't that imply a lieutenant boff station?" :-D Anyway, there *is* definitely a room for improvement for the miranda. NPCs prove it. And whatever the NPCs can do, can be done on a player-owned ship 1000x better ;-)
What I would really like to see is the New Orleans class added to the game as the more modern version of the Miranda.
I would like to see a T6 Version of the heavy cruiser given the existence of more modern hulls such as the Cheyenne and the Dakota.
As much as the Ambassador is my favorite cruiser given how they were supposedly so few of them built, it makes much more sense for there to be a new class of ship to replace her. in the mean time the Kobali ship fill this role in all regards except for aesthetics.
An update to the Nebula to bring her up to the standards of the Andromeda and Yamato is inevitable.
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T6? No. But that does not mean that I'm against an upgrade 'Admiral's ship'. So you can pick one of your old ships and using your influence as saviour of the universe to get boosted up some. I would love to fly my Centaur with it in the T4 range and a ship mastery system.
Yes. They already messed up with a Romulan ship that is older than a TOS ship being more powerful than the TOS ship itself, so why not. It would also be nice to have a T6 Constitution class star ship as well, but hey, that's just me. Maybe they could do a cross faction/cross carer pack again with the Original series ships at t-6 level.
But the fact of the matter is this. If they decide to throw some peanuts at the T6 Miranda, it would be an exclusive thing. I also believe it would be easier to buy universal costumes so no matter what ship you have, you can apply the costume to it and unless the costume is in the same family, it loads it exclusively where you can not mix parts with that costume. Example: You put a Miranda skin on your Excelsior so it looks like a Miranda, but you can not mix Miranda and Excelsior parts. Out side of that, I am all for a Miranda at tier 6, but I don't think it would happen due to cryptic's tendency to monetize aspects of the game. But hey, I have no issue with there business model.
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Any ship which could be considered the modern equivalent of a Mirranda would be so far from the original by now it wouldn't be the same ship.
If you're looking for a modern light escort style ship that is highly versatile then there is the Aquarius class. Or even something like the Nova class which is small enough and if it had variants to allow more flexibility could be a similar idea.
People who are asking for their favorite ships aesthetic reasons not for ships that can do what they do. Cryptic could get around this probably by making new ships that have design feature like the Connie or Miranda but just updated
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There is no sound argument why a T6 Miranda is not possible. Star Ships are not bound by the same limitation of modern naval ships, and the Star Fleet is not bound by the same limitations as a modern navy.
1. Age - A Miranda cannot be too old for endgame [T5/T6] when there are older ships already working for endgame. D7, B'rel, Excelsior: 23rd Century. T'varo, D'kyr: 22nd Century.
2. Size - A Miranda cannot be too small for endgame when there are smaller ships already working for endgame: B'rel, T'varo. Moreover, ships of similar size to miranda also exist as endgame ships: Aquarius, Saber, Defiant.
3. Authority - We can wear uniforms from any era because a captain has total authority over his crew's uniform. Players can change the shape and material of their ship's hull, suggesting they have the power to do so. Players are running about the galaxy as Fleet Admirals these days, and permitting refits, retrofits, and new constructions would likewise be under their authority.
4. Construction - There is a difference between continuously upgrading an old ship for 200 years, and building a new one from the atoms up that *looks* like a 200 year old ship. Here, we are talking about the latter.
5. Role - We do not suggest that for a Miranda to be endgame that it must also be equal to a defiant, saber, or any other Escort or raider. Miranda would probably end up with stats comparable to a Nova retrofit, or it could be the "jack of all trades, master of none" that it is now when compared to the other starter ships.
6. The B'rel. - Yes, the B'rel. The B'rel is a contemporary ship to the Miranda.... and there is absolutley nothing you can point to on the B'rel that allows you to say it's "more upgradable" than the Miranda. Also, there is absolutley nothing you can point to on the Miranda that makes it "less upgradable" than the B'rel. Miranda > B'rel. Therefore, if B'rel is upgradable, then so is Miranda.
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I understand those who say that there shouldn't be engame Galaxy-class ships or Prometheus-class ships. Tiering the ships by era replicates how modern ships and modern navies work, 1=ENT, 2=TOS, 3=TNG, 4=DS9/VOY, 5=Cannon Future, 6=Cryptic+Beyond. I totally get it, and such an arrangement is a very valid alternative way. Though, that's not what is happening here. Once again: Excelsior, B'rel, D7, D'kyr, T'varo...
...Miranda
=/\=
Against lightning's fury and thunder's scorn /
Only through fire is order forged /
WIth vibrant glory /
A sword
=/\=
I.S.S. Excalibur NCC-1664
Except they can't even do that...I don't agree with a T5/T6 Connie but I would see no problem with a T5/T6 Excalibur or Exeter...but they can't even do that or they would have by now.
Did you read point #4? I'm talking about building new ships like old, not old ships like new.
Your point is not sound. You are saying that there is no need for MIrandas, given newer designs. Need for a class of ship is not what drives them to exist in STO. If the only ships that were to exist were the ones starfleet "needs," then there would be only a handful of classes to choose from, and nearly no costume options.
Using your reasoning, it also means that there is no need for the Intrepid or the Nebula, given the Dauntless and the Scryer. There is no need for the Sovereign or Galaxy, given the Regent and the Andromeda. There is no need for the Defiant, given the Mercury. There is no need for D'kyr, B'rel, D7, Excelsior, Qin, Samraw, Dervish, Tempest, Emissary, Akira.... there is no "need" for you to be able to put Cerberus-class nacells on a Prometheus-class ship. There is no need for you to wear anything other than a standard issue uniform. There is no need for a multitude of tribbles and gingerbread pets from Q, there is no need for starfleet to retrofit a fleet cardassian Galors and Risian Space-Cruiseliners with Aegis space sets.
The idea is to captain ships that you like to look at. That's all.
Against lightning's fury and thunder's scorn /
Only through fire is order forged /
WIth vibrant glory /
A sword
=/\=
I.S.S. Excalibur NCC-1664
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I understand this. It's still blasphemy. Maybe heretical. But I get it.
And even then, I'd still prefer an Assault Cruiser and a DSSV as other second-line T6 ships; also preferably with weapons rather than consoles, as a means to sell them.
I just want to use the unloved second-line ships languishing at T5 in regular and Fleet variants at T6, and without anything notably fancy beyond a unique weapon that can be used on other ships, rather than ship-specific consoles, and a simple minor Hybrid seat. Yes, that even includes the ridiculous bubble bow science ship.
Only after those get T6s shall I support a T6 Miranda.
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I would like to see a T6 Version of the heavy cruiser given the existence of more modern hulls such as the Cheyenne and the Dakota.
As much as the Ambassador is my favorite cruiser given how they were supposedly so few of them built, it makes much more sense for there to be a new class of ship to replace her. in the mean time the Kobali ship fill this role in all regards except for aesthetics.
An update to the Nebula to bring her up to the standards of the Andromeda and Yamato is inevitable.
But the fact of the matter is this. If they decide to throw some peanuts at the T6 Miranda, it would be an exclusive thing. I also believe it would be easier to buy universal costumes so no matter what ship you have, you can apply the costume to it and unless the costume is in the same family, it loads it exclusively where you can not mix parts with that costume. Example: You put a Miranda skin on your Excelsior so it looks like a Miranda, but you can not mix Miranda and Excelsior parts. Out side of that, I am all for a Miranda at tier 6, but I don't think it would happen due to cryptic's tendency to monetize aspects of the game. But hey, I have no issue with there business model.
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