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For the past three days i've had my antivirus telling me its blocking something that STO is doing every single time I run the launcher. It seems to be quite sure there is some phishing going on via the client. Keep in mind there are no viruses or anything else on this computer, its a fresh install of windows with literally nothing beyond windows, STO and an antivirus installed.

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  • ladytiamat666ladytiamat666 Member Posts: 276 Arc User
    Never heard of false positives generated by the heuristic engine ?
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  • zellkarrathzellkarrath Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    Never heard of false positives generated by the heuristic engine ?

    Basically this.

    My Kaspersky has been accusing Steam updates of being a Trojan for a while now. Anti virus programs typically trip up like this every so often, and detect legit programs for weird reasons. If you are really worried about it though, just send in a support ticket, or try to contact Kaspersky about it.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    You might want to uninstall Kaspersky and switch to something like MSE which is free.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/14/us-kaspersky-rivals-idUSKCN0QJ1CR20150814
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Well... The STO launcher is of course trying to "phish" your username and password for Star Trek Online so it can do devious things like log you into Star Trek Online and let you play the game.


    Amusing that it's Kaspersky that is reporting the false positive - didn't I just read an article about how Kaspersky tried to trick rival company anti-virous software to report false positives and thus damage their reputation?​​
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    The problem here is, that you depend on a AV program....

    You'd get much further in common sense, especially since what Mustrum is a confirmed case.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    You really want Cryptic to explain to you that your Anti-Virus is reporting a false positive?

    The prompt gives you the instructions you need right there on the screen. Click the link, allow the application, and you're done.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    You might want to uninstall Kaspersky and switch to something like MSE which is free.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/14/us-kaspersky-rivals-idUSKCN0QJ1CR20150814
    I once heard of an AV update take a JPG that had been sitting on an HDD for YEARS, and declare it to be a virus..... yeah, I verify everything AV programs tell me they're cleaning off.
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  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    ARC is full of bloat/spyware
    This has come up a lot since ARC was launched, and while the ARC team along with other players have said it doesn't, and it really doesn't. Official quote from Adam -
    pweadamanteus wrote: »
    <snip>
    Arc is not spyware or bloatware for those making that accusation. There are even other players who have checked out the Arc coding themselves and there is no spyware or bloatware associated with Arc.
    <snip>

    Read the sticky next time.

    http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1159287/frequently-created-threads-f-c-t#latest
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    bioixi wrote: »
    ARC is full of bloat/spyware
    This has come up a lot since ARC was launched, and while the ARC team along with other players have said it doesn't, and it really doesn't. Official quote from Adam -
    pweadamanteus wrote: »
    <snip>
    Arc is not spyware or bloatware for those making that accusation. There are even other players who have checked out the Arc coding themselves and there is no spyware or bloatware associated with Arc.
    <snip>

    Read the sticky next time.

    http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1159287/frequently-created-threads-f-c-t#latest

    It's not ARC that's triggering this--so it's not an FCT thing. I don't even have ARC on my system. I use Steam instead and Kaspersky pops up with this warning for me too.

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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,317 Arc User
    Do people still use Kaspersky ? What is your operating system? OS2 Warp?
    I don't think i have ever seen a positive review for Kaspersky.

    But as others pointed out, it's a false positive. Arc is not spyware.​​
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  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    Me to, open through steam to. I just ignore it. And frankly I'll stick to Kaspersky as its still one of the least rescource intensive and Ive never had issues with it. Unlike all the others Ive tried.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    have you tried MSE? It works nicely for me.
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  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    gulberat wrote: »
    bioixi wrote: »
    ARC is full of bloat/spyware
    This has come up a lot since ARC was launched, and while the ARC team along with other players have said it doesn't, and it really doesn't. Official quote from Adam -
    pweadamanteus wrote: »
    <snip>
    Arc is not spyware or bloatware for those making that accusation. There are even other players who have checked out the Arc coding themselves and there is no spyware or bloatware associated with Arc.
    <snip>

    Read the sticky next time.

    http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1159287/frequently-created-threads-f-c-t#latest

    It's not ARC that's triggering this--so it's not an FCT thing. I don't even have ARC on my system. I use Steam instead and Kaspersky pops up with this warning for me too.

    It's still the custom STO launcher.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    the problem here is you're using kasperksy... try avira free or hell purchase it but get rid of that TRIBBLE
  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    Every AV at one point gets a false positive, this is the first time its happened to me and again, Im not uninstalling a paid for item because some unknowns on the internet said it was bad.
    Frankly, my experience of it is totally opposite.
    AVG let me down.
    Norton let me down (multiple times)
    Symantec let me down multiple times.
    Plenty of free ones have not been all that great either, with limited updates, slow scans, slow response to a threat, or just outright refusing to remove an issue.
    Really, the whole pop up isnt even an issue, just click ok and continue. Thats not hard is it? No biggy?
  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    To also note, Kaspersky is still on the 4.5-5 star review train
  • zellkarrathzellkarrath Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    I'm not sure why people are getting this false positive either btw. I have Kaspersky, and it hasn't had any issues with my STO launcher yet.
  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    To also note, Kaspersky is still on the 4.5-5 star review train

    You now reviews mean nothing right? Large companies pay for positive reviews and have lots of employees falsifying reviews, because bad publicity is worse than a bad product and good publicity is better that a good product.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Every AV at one point gets a false positive, this is the first time its happened to me and again, Im not uninstalling a paid for item because some unknowns on the internet said it was bad.
    Frankly, my experience of it is totally opposite.
    AVG let me down.
    Norton let me down (multiple times)
    Symantec let me down multiple times.
    Plenty of free ones have not been all that great either, with limited updates, slow scans, slow response to a threat, or just outright refusing to remove an issue.
    Really, the whole pop up isnt even an issue, just click ok and continue. Thats not hard is it? No biggy?

    try avira... updates are daily, sometimes 2 or 3 a day if theres been a recent surge in some new virus or such. Scan is quick and thorough, allows you you delete, ignore, or quarantine files that it flags. Even an 'always ignore' for files you KNOW are false positives.

    norton and symantec are almost viruses in their own right anymore... not sure how they're still suckering people into paying for them. AVG has let down many.

    for other things there's also malwarebytes and spybot search and destroy. (though ofc dont run multiple software of this type at once, but when being thorough on your system these 3 make a great trifecta)
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    I've been using Norton for almost a decade and have never had a problem.
    McAffee on the other hand disappointed me right out of the starting gate back in the early 2000's.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    Of all the free Anti-Viruses I have tried, I have had the most success with 360 Internet Security. Most people haven't even heard of it, but it's a very powerful and full featured utility.

    I used to service and repair PC's and the one I found to be the least effective was Avast by far. I can't tell you how many PC's I have had to clean because they had a fully updated Avast running and the system had 100+ malware/virus items.

    AVG worked well for me too, but it got annoying because it keeps popping up asking me if I want to buy stuff, that was the only reason I moved away from it.

    Even as good as 360 is for me though, it still detects Homeworld Remastered as a virus every time Steam tries to update it. It happens with everything from time to time.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    It's funny, everybody has their antivirus story. Product X never detected anything and the user claimed to have hundreds of infected objects on the PC, product Y broke everything out of the box, the whole computer was trashed and only product Z works at all.

    The big tests and reviews, repeatedly, attest that basically all anti-virus solutions have about the same detection scores (only insignificant differences), only Windows Defender (Win 8-10 built in solution) seems to really lack behind. Other than that there's not much difference other than personal taste. I used Norton, Kaspersky, GData, Avira, Avast and a number of others and aside from GData which did not let you ignore findings but demanded to either quarantine or delete them (even if you knew it was a false positive) no product ever "disappointed" me - in the end I kept coming back to free solutions because they are free. Because I also know what to do to keep the system safe in the first place. If you are repeatedly and over and over dependant on an AV solution "saving" you, you are doing something wrong pig-23.gif​​
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  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    bioixi wrote: »
    ARC is full of bloat/spyware
    This has come up a lot since ARC was launched, and while the ARC team along with other players have said it doesn't, and it really doesn't. Official quote from Adam -
    pweadamanteus wrote: »
    <snip>
    Arc is not spyware or bloatware for those making that accusation. There are even other players who have checked out the Arc coding themselves and there is no spyware or bloatware associated with Arc.
    <snip>

    Read the sticky next time.

    http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1159287/frequently-created-threads-f-c-t#latest

    That particular accusation was particularly hilarious to me when it surfaced because, you know, thank goodness you didn't have any other software from PWE on your system! Wouldn't the game itself be the more likely way to get malware onto your system or collect personal data and send it to Bad Guys everywhere?

    +1 heuristics getting it wrong sometimes.

    As for me--not that anyone asked--MSE and MalwareBytes gets the job done, along with not always running in an Admin-capable account.

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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    For the past three days i've had my antivirus telling me its blocking something that STO is doing every single time I run the launcher. It seems to be quite sure there is some phishing going on via the client. Keep in mind there are no viruses or anything else on this computer, its a fresh install of windows with literally nothing beyond windows, STO and an antivirus installed.

    see for yourself:

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    False positive. It happens. Kaspersky has a web page to report those at http://newvirus.kaspersky.com/ (in fact I just sent in a report because I'm having the same issue).
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  • skrapnelskrapnel Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    Never heard of false positives generated by the heuristic engine ?

    This, and Kaspersky especially is notorious for false positives.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    Best antivirus out there is common sense.

    Follow a few basic rules and you will never need antivirus..

    If you pay for it, they saw you coming.
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  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    Best antivirus out there is common sense.

    Follow a few basic rules and you will never need antivirus..

    If you pay for it, they saw you coming.

    Because common sense totally defeats remote DNS spoofing and man-in-the-middle attacks. Because common sense averts CORS exploits.

    Yeah...no.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    Best antivirus out there is common sense.

    Follow a few basic rules and you will never need antivirus..

    If you pay for it, they saw you coming.

    Because common sense totally defeats remote DNS spoofing and man-in-the-middle attacks. Because common sense averts CORS exploits.

    Yeah...no.

    No one said it should be your only defense... But 99.9999% of all viruses would probably have died in their infancy, if people had considered what that little dialouge said, before they blindly clicked "Accept".
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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