How did you like the new episode Butterfly

grazyc2

Just like to know your opinion on it

grazyc2

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

I have seen much better episodes written, it's was yeah how I say this... Boring... Fighting the Borg was too easy even on elite this mission was boring. Rewards for now sucks too. The story telling was ok but the game play sucked...

thegrandnagus1

/sigh

Please do not word the poll options so specifically. Why? Because according to your poll options, there is no choice at all for someone who enjoyed the mission overall, but thought it had some problems. Just give people a simple generic option that doesn't put so many words in their mouth that there winds up being no option they can completely agree with.

lianthelia

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

This is the closest option to how I feel...personally the only thing that seemed kinda silly to me was the quick little tests on the holodeck then off to use the weapon right away.

grazyc2

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

you can choose an option and point it out why you choose that here bellow or you don't choose any off them and just leave an comment it's that simple, I can't write a poll with everyone's wishes then you would get a poll with maybe 200 options or more...

grazyc2

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

lianthelia wrote: »

This is the closest option to how I feel...personally the only thing that seemed kinda silly to me was the quick little tests on the holodeck then off to use the weapon right away.

Yeah found the holo deck thing silly indeed you play a written scenario but there was no choosing at all to choose an win option or something

thegrandnagus1

kirk2390 wrote: »

I can't write a poll with everyone's wishes then you would get a poll with maybe 200 options or more...

I'm not suggesting you write a poll with everyone's wishes, I'm suggesting you do not word the options so specifically. You gave absolutely no option for anyone who thought the mission was good, but didn't love everything about it. I don't think that is some super niche "give everybody their own exact wording" option; I think that is actually a pretty generic option that many people would agree with.

aesica

Yes I loved it the whole way true

There needed to be less extreme answers. For me, this fits best: "I liked it for the most part, but there's things that could've been done better."

The good: The emphasis on story advancement instead of constant combat was a nice breath of fresh air, especially when compared to mindless kill-a-thon episodes like blood of the ancients. Don't get me wrong, combat is great, but not when it's all there is to do, and there's certainly room for missions that are story-heavy, combat-light.

The bad: Every element felt too short and rushed. Few minutes in simulation 1, then 2, then 3, then the borgiverse. I'd have preferred having a bit more interaction (digging around, combat, npc interaction, whatever) during each simulation. I really enjoy exploring alternate timelines, such as what we did in the temporal ambassador episode. Unfortunately, that level of exploration/interaction in every simulation plus the borgiverse would've made this episode even longer than the one introducing the dyson science destroyer. Had it been up to me, I'd have broken this up into 4 featured episodes--1 for each of the 3 simulations and the 4th for fixing the borgiverse blunder.

The ugly: A few things.

1) Douchy Krenim Guy (Noye) was rather poorly portrayed--cartoonish and irritating. If my suspicions are correct, we'll be seeing more of him as Annorax 2.0, with his own personal mission to restore his missing wife once he combs over the shielded computer core and realizes what happened. If we're going to see too much more of him, I hope cryptic whips his voice actor into shape a bit and writes for him a little better.

2) The timeship. In Voyager, Annorax's timeship was a nearly-indestructible beast, likely because it existed outside the timeline. Why was this version so fragile? This actually really bothered me and felt like a rather lazy way to forcefully create an Annorax 2.0 character out of Noye.

Oh well, overall I did enjoy it.

seaofsorrows

Your polls are the worst polls ever created.

We should start a poll to revoke your ability to start polls. No matter how many you make, you just never learn.

duncanidaho11

...its precisely what I was expecting when the Krenim were brought into this (ie. "Dust to Dust", the side comment Kim throws out during the warp-chase.)

That's not to say it was a bad mission, the writing, execution, and gameplay were top notch for STO (cloaking-in ships was a nice touch that I personally would have overlooked). But...I don't know it just feels more like an obligation for the season than entertainment for its own sake.

Have the Krenim, have to have the "time travel gone wrong" story. Now let's move along to how we're really going to resolve this.

lianthelia wrote: »

This is the closest option to how I feel...personally the only thing that seemed kinda silly to me was the quick little tests on the holodeck then off to use the weapon right away.

Well they did have to fit this into a 10-20 minute STO mission and cutting corners does setup a nice, believable reason for why it all went so horribly wrong.

I mean what message would it send if we spend hours in the simulator, got every small detail right, and then assimilated romulus? It doesn't matter how hard you try or how carefully you consider a situation, you will ALWAYS TRIBBLE it up?

This way there's a nice little "the more you know" style lesson: don't be an idiot. :P

kodachikuno

ugh... no option for "I liked it but there were still lots of problems" or "it was way better than the last several, but still not great." next time maybe just give us a 'rate it 1-5 stars' set of poll options -.-

kitsunesnout

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

I vote for in between, it's better than some of the other episodes we have, but could have been done a bit more interestingly. The rush we had for instance towards using the ship the first time could have made sense if we suddenly had a bunch of heralds suddenly invade the facility, and we had to escape with the weapon immediately to do the incursion we found most favorable.

peterconnorfirst

Yes I loved it the whole way true

I liked it!

mustrumridcully0

Yes I loved it the whole way true

aesica wrote: »

There needed to be less extreme answers. For me, this fits best: "I liked it for the most part, but there's things that could've been done better."

This would be my answer, too.

But since I can't have that, I guess I'll just pick the most positive answer to find. Because I absolutely must choose an option in a poll. ​​

grazyc2

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

aesica wrote: »

There needed to be less extreme answers. For me, this fits best: "I liked it for the most part, but there's things that could've been done better."

The good: The emphasis on story advancement instead of constant combat was a nice breath of fresh air, especially when compared to mindless kill-a-thon episodes like blood of the ancients. Don't get me wrong, combat is great, but not when it's all there is to do, and there's certainly room for missions that are story-heavy, combat-light.

The bad: Every element felt too short and rushed. Few minutes in simulation 1, then 2, then 3, then the borgiverse. I'd have preferred having a bit more interaction (digging around, combat, npc interaction, whatever) during each simulation. I really enjoy exploring alternate timelines, such as what we did in the temporal ambassador episode. Unfortunately, that level of exploration/interaction in every simulation plus the borgiverse would've made this episode even longer than the one introducing the dyson science destroyer. Had it been up to me, I'd have broken this up into 4 featured episodes--1 for each of the 3 simulations and the 4th for fixing the borgiverse blunder.

The ugly: A few things.

1) Douchy Krenim Guy (Noye) was rather poorly portrayed--cartoonish and irritating. If my suspicions are correct, we'll be seeing more of him as Annorax 2.0, with his own personal mission to restore his missing wife once he combs over the shielded computer core and realizes what happened. If we're going to see too much more of him, I hope cryptic whips his voice actor into shape a bit and writes for him a little better.

2) The timeship. In Voyager, Annorax's timeship was a nearly-indestructible beast, likely because it existed outside the timeline. Why was this version so fragile? This actually really bothered me and felt like a rather lazy way to forcefully create an Annorax 2.0 character out of Noye.

Oh well, overall I did enjoy it.

Agree with you 200% !!!

kayajay

No man, it was lame and very poor written

The holodeck part should have actually given you more to do than just read panels...how about finding yourself in the middle of a firefight, space or ground and something actually fun to do? One minute, the Breen have taken over, the next the Dominion, another and our galaxy is like the mirror universe's, the Krenim there conquering us, or the Iconians finally having killed everyone and you're all that's left, etc. Just something more!

ggsimmonds84

I like that it was more story driven and less focused on combat. As a Trek game we need much more of that.

However, the outcomes and story were pretty bad.

Puts me in a tough spot. If I criticize it Cryptic may decide, okay lets just stay with pew pew missions in the future.

grazyc2

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

seaofsorrows wrote: »

Your polls are the worst polls ever created.

We should start a poll to revoke your ability to start polls. No matter how many you make, you just never learn.

If you don't like my polls why give an reaction on it, I really don't understand your cheer for negativism if you don't like me or my writing or polls please don't read it matter a fact stay away, or come with an constructive answer I can go with learn from it and maybe do better next time otherwise I suggest not to enter my writing or polls just skip them next time thank you....

mirrorchaos

my opinion on the mission is simple. it was a waste of effort. its one of those nothing ventured nothing gained episodes. if the end result means nothing then you accomplished nothing. why bother?

artan42

Why not just grade it from 1-5? Do people know how to even set up polls?

I'd give it a 3. We could have kept going with the alterations. Maybe use the weapon on the Hanssons so the Borg never came to the AQ in the first place so would't assimilate Romulus etc.​​

grazyc2

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

artan42 wrote: »

Why not just grade it from 1-5? Do people know how to even set up polls?

I'd give it a 3. We could have kept going with the alterations. Maybe use the weapon on the Hanssons so the Borg never came to the AQ in the first place so would't assimilate Romulus etc.​​

Hello you seen TNG, it was Q that introduced Star fleet to the Borg thank you, so you should then point the weapon at Q , Well that wont work because before you even pull the trigger Q already snapped his fingers at that time. LOLZZZ

artan42

kirk2390 wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Why not just grade it from 1-5? Do people know how to even set up polls?

I'd give it a 3. We could have kept going with the alterations. Maybe use the weapon on the Hanssons so the Borg never came to the AQ in the first place so would't assimilate Romulus etc.

Hello you seen TNG, it was Q that introduced Star fleet to the Borg thank you, so you should then point the weapon at Q , Well that wont work because before you even pull the trigger Q already snapped his fingers at that time. LOLZZZ

The Hanssons set off before that. The message from ENT had already reached the Borg before Q sent the Ent D out. The Borg were aware of us before Q magiced things up.​​

grazyc2

I won't say it was bad but it wasn't good either

Star Trek Enterprise isn't a Star Trek series it doesn't belong their, SO I do not count them in. Enterprise was a nice series but doesn't belong between TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY. It's not Gene Roddenberry product. Now you ask why, well first off Enterprise was launched after the 4 known star trek series, second it didn't line up with stories already told, plus the fact technically it was far more advanced then 1701, 1701 A, or any other off the enterprises. There were so many wrongs that they quickly lost interest from fans that's why they couldn't finish the 7 seasons like they planned. So sorry to say story line off Star Trek Enterprise isn't there for me even if it is accepted by paramount.

artan42

kirk2390 wrote: »

Star Trek Enterprise isn't a Star Trek series it doesn't belong their, SO I do not count them in. Enterprise was a nice series but doesn't belong between TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY. It's not Gene Roddenberry product. Now you ask why, well first off Enterprise was launched after the 4 known star trek series, second it didn't line up with stories already told, plus the fact technically it was far more advanced then 1701, 1701 A, or any other off the enterprises. There were so many wrongs that they quickly lost interest from fans that's why they couldn't finish the 7 seasons like they planned. So sorry to say story line off Star Trek Enterprise isn't there for me even if it is accepted by paramount.

DS9 and VOY had nothing to do with Gene, neither did the last half of TNG. Anyway, it doesn't matter if you like it or not, or either if you accept it or not, it still affects the series overall. CBS determines what is canon, not the fans, thank gods.

tehbubbaloo

No man, it was lame and very poor written

it left a very negative impression on me, and the future of my faction is seriously in question after playing that.​​

mustrumridcully0

Yes I loved it the whole way true

artan42 wrote: »

The Hanssons set off before that. The message from ENT had already reached the Borg before Q sent the Ent D out. The Borg were aware of us before Q magiced things up.

When was Annika Hansen assimilated? Could it have been in response to the Q-Borg-Enterprise incident? Maybe in a timeline without Q's intervention, the Hansens would have been able to get back to Federation space to warn of a threat?​​

kodachikuno

kirk2390 wrote: »

Star Trek Enterprise isn't a Star Trek series it doesn't belong their, SO I do not count them in. Enterprise was a nice series but doesn't belong between TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY. It's not Gene Roddenberry product. Now you ask why, well first off Enterprise was launched after the 4 known star trek series, second it didn't line up with stories already told, plus the fact technically it was far more advanced then 1701, 1701 A, or any other off the enterprises. There were so many wrongs that they quickly lost interest from fans that's why they couldn't finish the 7 seasons like they planned. So sorry to say story line off Star Trek Enterprise isn't there for me even if it is accepted by paramount.

No amount of hate or disgust at the ENT series will change the fact it IS canon now. We can want it all to be just a bad dream and we'll wake up and ENT won't have existed, but it did happen, and there is no happy end to hoping it was a nightmare.
Also I laugh at the idea that anything not Gene touched is non-canon... As artan pointed out... 1/2 of TNG, and all of DS9 and Voy were not part of his work.


As for your polls, your options really do suck, try a 1-5 stars thing next time. I'd give it a 3.5 on that cause frankly it was the best episode we've had in quite a while, but still had many issues.

darakoss

No man, it was lame and very poor written

kirk2390 wrote: »

Star Trek Enterprise isn't a Star Trek series it doesn't belong their, SO I do not count them in. Enterprise was a nice series but doesn't belong between TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY. It's not Gene Roddenberry product. Now you ask why, well first off Enterprise was launched after the 4 known star trek series, second it didn't line up with stories already told, plus the fact technically it was far more advanced then 1701, 1701 A, or any other off the enterprises. There were so many wrongs that they quickly lost interest from fans that's why they couldn't finish the 7 seasons like they planned. So sorry to say story line off Star Trek Enterprise isn't there for me even if it is accepted by paramount.

NX more advanced than all the other incarnations of the Enterprise??? Oh do tell.....this should be fun. Also see Mirror Darkly......And your right it doesn't between the others...just before.

artan42

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

The Hanssons set off before that. The message from ENT had already reached the Borg before Q sent the Ent D out. The Borg were aware of us before Q magiced things up.

When was Annika Hansen assimilated? Could it have been in response to the Q-Borg-Enterprise incident? Maybe in a timeline without Q's intervention, the Hansens would have been able to get back to Federation space to warn of a threat?

From what I can remember they set off (on rumours of the Borg) some time before 'Farpoint'. So the Borg are already known of (perhaps from Hirogen?, they live in both the Delta and Beta Quadrants) from before Q fiddled with the Ent D.​​

ashrod63

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

The Hanssons set off before that. The message from ENT had already reached the Borg before Q sent the Ent D out. The Borg were aware of us before Q magiced things up.

When was Annika Hansen assimilated? Could it have been in response to the Q-Borg-Enterprise incident? Maybe in a timeline without Q's intervention, the Hansens would have been able to get back to Federation space to warn of a threat?​​

Her assimilation took place between 2356 and 2361 (being a child at the time it takes a while to develop the drone physically). The Borg launched their first assault on the Federation and Romulans in late 2364 attacking various bases along the Neutral Zone, although their identities were unknown until Q introduced the Enterprise-D to them a year later.

So if anything alerted them to the powers of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants then it is either the Hansens or the Enterprise signal in the 22nd century. Both are very valid options, and we don't have a guarantee that now the predestination paradox has been set up that the signal won't loop on forever.

As another note to the ongoing debate, Gene Roddenberry did approve the concept of DS9, but no further than that (one of the last things he did with the show).