Of course it is. And then, a second after our Captain has makes a spectacular sacrifice in an attempt to end the Iconian conflict once-and-for-all, all of the bad will revert back to a time before anything bad happened at all and our Captain will remember none of it.
ok does she not realize restored Romulus=NO ROMULAN REPUBLIC, the restoration of nearly crumbling despotic empire?
A lot of citizens, military personnel in the Romulan Republic lost loved ones when the Hobus Event occurred.
I know the official line in the higher echelons of the Republic do NOT want Romulus restored. But if you propose to the average Republic citizen, soldier that if there is a way to restore Romulus, Remus and prevent the deaths of their loved ones, what do you think the "average Joe" of the Republic will say?
Bear in mind that by undoing the Hobus incident, Spock will not have tried to stop the subspace reaction with red matter. This means that both he and the Nerada would never go back and create the alternative timeline of the JJverse. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not...
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I like my Sci guy & I like my Sci ship & that's that.
Bear in mind that by undoing the Hobus incident, Spock will not have tried to stop the subspace reaction with red matter. This means that both he and the Nerada would never go back and create the alternative timeline of the JJverse. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not...
Wait, wut? Unless I've grossly misremembered or misunderstood Annorax's final scene in Year of Hell, did the timeline not revert back to where this was not the source of his obsession? Granted, anything could have happened in that timeline after he walked off to spend time with the wife there to instigate being back in that mindset, but this doesn't seem to jive with known events anyway, considering the Krenim seem to make it clear his work was just theory, never put in to use.
I think I hate temporal mechanics as much as my toon does.
I think he would have been savvy enough to use the same technology he used to keep his wife' hairlock from vanishing to nothingness, hiding his research in a safe, protected from any timeline modification.
This is also why Janeway asked all ships to drop their temporal shields before she caused the temporal incursion that erased the ship, so it wouldn't potentially interfere with the time-reset wave.
Pretty much. Anything with one of Annorax's temporal shields ignored the reset wave. It's entirely possible that there was an entire library of stuff he did somewhere.
"We destroyed Romulus. Again," Adranna said, rolling her eyes.
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"I'm trying to restore an entire planet. There are going to be a few setbacks."
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"The Iconians gave Hakeev and Taris the device that caused the Hobus supernova," Adranna argued. "Their first shot in this war wasn't when M'Tara appeared on Qo'noS or when the Elachi started stealing people from colony worlds like Virinat. It was much, much earlier. Why shouldn't we try to restore all we've lost?"
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"I refuse to believe that there is anything we can't do," Adranna said. "We can restore everything. We just need to find the right combination of alterations."
Just because the timeline in Year of Hell with the Annorax we saw ended up never existing doesn't mean that an alternate Annorax couldn't have existed that never pursued that path instead. All we know that that Year of hell never happened. That temporal path never happened. Clearly when one path is altered another forms in its place.
As it is we don't know what was exactly reset when the ship blow up. Was it a complete temporal reset that everything that ship caused or was it a case where only a certain things were.
So far from what we see here is that they have some of his journals on his temporal works. For all we know a different version of Annorax could still show up in his ship. Much like how there were different versions of Braxton.
Just because the timeline in Year of Hell with the Annorax we saw ended up never existing doesn't mean that an alternate Annorax couldn't have existed that never pursued that path instead. All we know that that Year of hell never happened. That temporal path never happened. Clearly when one path is altered another forms in its place.
As it is we don't know what was exactly reset when the ship blow up. Was it a complete temporal reset that everything that ship caused or was it a case where only a certain things were.
So far from what we see here is that they have some of his journals on his temporal works. For all we know a different version of Annorax could still show up in his ship. Much like how there were different versions of Braxton.
Except for the fact that Kyana exists, and that was the sole reason for Annorax's obsession, and idea that time was his enemy.
It was never the restoration of the Imperium, he sacrificed that more than once for the sake of restoring Kyana which never happened until the weapon itself was erased.
More on topic, if Annorax's plans survived, they were probably part of some larger set of writings. The theory behind it, some personal notes. It's probably incomplete, likely due to whatever temporal shenanigans they went through or being stored on a ship that blew up or whatever. Clearly, the Krenim have some records of what he tried to do with the bloody thing the first time around, even if they're a bit vague on what it was.
I'm signing on with the "This is gonna end badly" camp. Unless it results in a Dalek/Time Lord intervention, which would be awesome.
Kurland decides the fate of humanity rests on a trade in 1918. Obviously Bostons trade of the Bambino was a Iconian plot. It is no coincidence the the STO servers are in Boston.......
Seriously, you can't tell me Adranna is the only problem you people see, how many Higher ups have agendas here, How many plans do Section 31 and other factions have in motion? This Time-Ship is a Pie that everyone wants a piece of. This ship and it's potential use, could be a whole season.
RSE is still there, but now under Donatra. Three-way split. Tal'Shiar (NPC enemies), Donatra's Empire (Option 1 for Romulan PC's), Romulan Republic (2nd PC option-At 10th level you choose Donatra or D'Tan).
Maybe we wreck the timeline in some way though, and Annorax shows up to help us fix it?
I'm getting the sinking feeling that Adranna's going to be the cause of not only a new mess for us to deal with, but an entire reset of everything STO. I mean like everyone gets to start out from their own starting point (Starfleet Academy) and we need to do all the quests again, build up to this point in the storyline and then go fix things.
Or everything just gets entirely reset and we have to deal with the consequences of her stupidity and everything gets reset. Probably everything the later.
My opinion on Adranna has already formed a while ago, so this insanity doesn't surprise me at all. She likes to ignore dangers just to get whatever she wants. Costs and repercussions be damned!
Imagine the best application of the temporal warship: it wipes Adranna out of existence and bring galactic peace, as in the future, she'd have caused all the mess that happened in Star Trek by hijacking the ship and, due to her time-travel shenanigans in the past, indirectly making the Iconians evil, indirectly driving Hakeev insane, indirectly causing V'Ger to be born, indirectly causing Martok's death, indirectly bringing Neelix on Voyager, indirectly bringing the Borg to the Alpha Quadrant and indirectly causing Kirk's death.
Everyone is happy and it only took the disappearance of a annoying scientist nobody liked.
Does seem like a lot of different agendas for the time weapon.
Federation: "Make the Iconians go away!" ZZZAP! now no Alpha, Beta Delta or even Gamma quadrant alliances. Back to fighting Romulans and Klingons.
Romulans: "Bring Back Romulus!" ZZAP! no Hobus explosion, no Romulan Republic, Back to backstabbing the Federation, Klingons and turning ourselves into Borg.
Kremin: "Bring back our Empire!, and while we're at it eliminate the Borg, whom we dislike studying anyone" ZZAP!
Now no transwarp corridors and Janeway takes the full 70 years to return to Earth, Miral Paris probably is dead and the Klingons never get their forehead ridges back! (now you know why Klingons had a strict Hands-off policy when it came to tinkering with the timestream.)
Oh no you don't. We have enough problems without letting the Continuum get involved. Need I remind you who it was that gave the Iconians gateways to begin with?
Well, how about this for starters: Instead of Romulus being destroyed, it falls to the Borg. Sela's and Hakeeve's use of Borg tech brings the Queen directly to Romulus. The entire sector then has a full on Borg war on their hands, and Iconians send their servitors in to clean up the mess which lands the whole quadrant in thrall and slavery.
Or maybe Sela and Hakeev figure out how to use the Collective to enslave the whole Quadrant with the Borg answering to them. Maybe we'll end up setting a course for Romulus or The Vault and have to free the Queen from her Romulan captors.
Incidentally, it would be really freaking awesome if we got to fight or team-up with Nero or Nero's child in the corrupted timeline. A recast is probably a given. Paramount might go for it and this is the one chance we'll likely have at that particular breed of weirdness.
............Adranna still has a job after all her Epic Moments of Stupidity? Really? And now she's working on the Time Weapon? Oh for the love of... That does it, setting course for the JJVerse, it'll probably be the only safe place after she gets done.
But unless they can temporally shield everything in the Republic, down to the last pieces of scrap on Virinat, undoing Hobus has a pretty good chance of undoing the Republic as well, and D'Tan and his people would end up on square one without even knowing about it.
Hobus never occurs, we get a Star Empire with the full might of its fleet, the Tal Shiar never beheaded, Hakeev and Taris live, still serving the Iconians. Heck, chances are, Sela might be empress, or at least close to the seat of power, whispering into the Praetor's / Emperor's ear (depending on the form of government that Empire would have).
Oh and the Remans would get back Remus with its dilithium mines and their lives of servitude...
Hobus was tragic, but D'Tan and his unification movement made the best of it. An independent nation that doesn't hide in the shadows (well at least not to such an extent as the Empire), and without the Republic's efforts, the Federation and the Klingons would be at each other's throats thanks to the Undine.
The list could go on and on.
Instead of wasting processing power on trying to solve every major power's problems, I think scientists like Adranna would help the Alliance more by trying to find a temporal incursion that prevents / delays the Iconian threat. Just like Sann said.
I'm with the Vulcan on this one.
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"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Such confidence the Vulcan has... Seriously though, just hit the spheres, one at a time until the Iconians either can't throw them at us or don't want to. Then they have to fight on our terms.
I smell the borg coming and in the middle of removing the iconians altogether the borg queen comes in assimilates the remaining iconians and heralds and begins its next attack on earth. Welcome to the plot of STO2 which also comes out on XBOX this holiday season.
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A lot of citizens, military personnel in the Romulan Republic lost loved ones when the Hobus Event occurred.
I know the official line in the higher echelons of the Republic do NOT want Romulus restored. But if you propose to the average Republic citizen, soldier that if there is a way to restore Romulus, Remus and prevent the deaths of their loved ones, what do you think the "average Joe" of the Republic will say?
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I'd call that a 500% net positive outcome.
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As it is we don't know what was exactly reset when the ship blow up. Was it a complete temporal reset that everything that ship caused or was it a case where only a certain things were.
So far from what we see here is that they have some of his journals on his temporal works. For all we know a different version of Annorax could still show up in his ship. Much like how there were different versions of Braxton.
Except for the fact that Kyana exists, and that was the sole reason for Annorax's obsession, and idea that time was his enemy.
It was never the restoration of the Imperium, he sacrificed that more than once for the sake of restoring Kyana which never happened until the weapon itself was erased.
Fixed moment. I'm so, so sorry.
More on topic, if Annorax's plans survived, they were probably part of some larger set of writings. The theory behind it, some personal notes. It's probably incomplete, likely due to whatever temporal shenanigans they went through or being stored on a ship that blew up or whatever. Clearly, the Krenim have some records of what he tried to do with the bloody thing the first time around, even if they're a bit vague on what it was.
I'm signing on with the "This is gonna end badly" camp. Unless it results in a Dalek/Time Lord intervention, which would be awesome.
Kurland decides the fate of humanity rests on a trade in 1918. Obviously Bostons trade of the Bambino was a Iconian plot. It is no coincidence the the STO servers are in Boston.......
Seriously, you can't tell me Adranna is the only problem you people see, how many Higher ups have agendas here, How many plans do Section 31 and other factions have in motion? This Time-Ship is a Pie that everyone wants a piece of. This ship and it's potential use, could be a whole season.
RSE is still there, but now under Donatra. Three-way split. Tal'Shiar (NPC enemies), Donatra's Empire (Option 1 for Romulan PC's), Romulan Republic (2nd PC option-At 10th level you choose Donatra or D'Tan).
Maybe we wreck the timeline in some way though, and Annorax shows up to help us fix it?
Or everything just gets entirely reset and we have to deal with the consequences of her stupidity and everything gets reset. Probably everything the later.
Everyone is happy and it only took the disappearance of a annoying scientist nobody liked.
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One can dream, I can't stand this woman.
So much this.
:: Looks around for his Temporal Shielded Tin Foil Hat ::
Federation: "Make the Iconians go away!" ZZZAP! now no Alpha, Beta Delta or even Gamma quadrant alliances. Back to fighting Romulans and Klingons.
Romulans: "Bring Back Romulus!" ZZAP! no Hobus explosion, no Romulan Republic, Back to backstabbing the Federation, Klingons and turning ourselves into Borg.
Kremin: "Bring back our Empire!, and while we're at it eliminate the Borg, whom we dislike studying anyone" ZZAP!
Now no transwarp corridors and Janeway takes the full 70 years to return to Earth, Miral Paris probably is dead and the Klingons never get their forehead ridges back! (now you know why Klingons had a strict Hands-off policy when it came to tinkering with the timestream.)
Heck, I I were a timeline, I'd fight back too!
Nothing q could not fix.
Oh no you don't. We have enough problems without letting the Continuum get involved. Need I remind you who it was that gave the Iconians gateways to begin with?
Or maybe Sela and Hakeev figure out how to use the Collective to enslave the whole Quadrant with the Borg answering to them. Maybe we'll end up setting a course for Romulus or The Vault and have to free the Queen from her Romulan captors.
And yes, sign me up for 'This won't end well'.
But unless they can temporally shield everything in the Republic, down to the last pieces of scrap on Virinat, undoing Hobus has a pretty good chance of undoing the Republic as well, and D'Tan and his people would end up on square one without even knowing about it.
Hobus never occurs, we get a Star Empire with the full might of its fleet, the Tal Shiar never beheaded, Hakeev and Taris live, still serving the Iconians. Heck, chances are, Sela might be empress, or at least close to the seat of power, whispering into the Praetor's / Emperor's ear (depending on the form of government that Empire would have).
Oh and the Remans would get back Remus with its dilithium mines and their lives of servitude...
Hobus was tragic, but D'Tan and his unification movement made the best of it. An independent nation that doesn't hide in the shadows (well at least not to such an extent as the Empire), and without the Republic's efforts, the Federation and the Klingons would be at each other's throats thanks to the Undine.
The list could go on and on.
Instead of wasting processing power on trying to solve every major power's problems, I think scientists like Adranna would help the Alliance more by trying to find a temporal incursion that prevents / delays the Iconian threat. Just like Sann said.
I'm with the Vulcan on this one.
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."