Should CatStar be in STO?

catstarsto

Should CatStar be an NPC in the STO storyline; would you like to have him join your toons during a fight or negotiation...maybe even an extra in some parts? Wearing his "Star Trek Generation; holodeck ceremonial Captains uniform"

WHo is CatStar--> http://adventure-cat.deviantart.com/gallery/49734929/CatStar

angrytarg

No

No. Because.​​

artan42

Yes

I have a mouse problem. ​​

mjarbar

Yes

Yes, the more Caits and Ferasens the better!

cmdrscarlet

Yes

Yes, because why not?

captainoblivous

No

No.
I mean, wtf? Fanwank MarySue much?

iconians

No

No. I prefer you in STO as a player, not an NPC.

gulberat

No

CatStar already is in STO when you play as him, and in your gaming experience, he's the star of the show. Same for all of us when we play our toons. I feel very strongly about my characters but I would not, however, ask for my toons to be given that kind of preferential status over the others.

However, you could consider the Foundry, where you could have missions featuring CatStar as an NPC for others to interact with.

smeeinn1t

No

Two reasons

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sumghai

No

No hard feelings, but I'd prefer players not being given preferential treatment over others.

primar13

No

So whats this?

We are all just gonna create a thread with a poll voting on weather we should be in STO?

lonnehart

Yes

Next thing we know, an "official" contest shows up where the winners become NPCs in the game. Mind you they'll just stand around doing nothing or promoting the game's Transaction Store (can't really call them microtransactions when the ships cost near $40, can we). And the winners MAY be forced to rename/reinvent their characters as the "NPC"s are now property of whoever owns STO and could be used in promotions and such.

Just my two pieces of latinum (made using iron pyrite instead of gold)...

eldarion79

Yes

Given that we are already in the game. I would say why not.

alexmakepeace

Yes

Well... CatStar exists in a universe of his own, because he's a cartoon. He's supposed to be funny through being silly and riffing off of known characters, so he wouldn't really fit the tone of the much more serious STO...

Unless we went meta! Imagine a one-off FE where you meet the crew of the Kittyprize copycatting Picard and his crew in a mock-up Galaxy class, trying to save the day like the Enterprise did. Thing is, they're not real Starfleet, so the player has to do the heavy lifting for them, all the while maintaining the illusion that the Kittyprize crew are the real heroes. Could be a fun, light, tension-easing intermediate episode between the end of the dramatic Iconian arc and the beginning of whatever conflict is coming next.

So yes! Do it! I summon the foundry authors to make it happen!

catstarsto

Hmm, let me rephrase the question because some of u got upset....for those who have read my CatStar fictions or are familiar with this toons RP, would u find it entertaining to see him appear in a mission for this game as an NPC?

Im an artist, and CatStar is my favored creation, im curious to see who would consider it entertaining to have him make a cameo appearance.

Alex: CatStar is a drama/action based character. Though he uses a dry wit in some situations, hes more of a space opera hero, not a lolcat. Its why i worked for nearly a year to get CBS to endorse my book, I wanted him to become canon. In the end they changed their minds and the book is now a free fanfic on Deviant Art since it lost its licence to be sold. We needed a notable Caitian in the Trek universe, M'ress was just a temporary stand in like Pulaski.

alexmakepeace

Yes

Oh yeah, I'm thinking of "Caitian Picard." I stand by my idea, though. Not that I expect anything to actually come of it.

gulberat

No

I still think that the Foundry is a much better route, and that the devs should not favor someone's player character over all others, to be "canonized." I have VERY detailed stories that I feel very passionately about, but the most I would ever do would be to potentially create a Foundry mission with those characters. I would not ask for them to be exalted above everybody else's creations as far as the game is concerned.

angrytarg

No

catstarsto wrote: »

(...)Its why i worked for nearly a year to get CBS to endorse my book, I wanted him to become canon. In the end they changed their minds and the book is now a free fanfic on Deviant Art since it lost its licence to be sold. We needed a notable Caitian in the Trek universe, M'ress was just a temporary stand in like Pulaski.

I do understand the ideal value this would have had for you and probably the opportunities to earn some money, but even if your stories had been licensed they still wouldn't be canon (none of the licensed works are). I think the only thing that would have happened would be a lot of licensing fees...
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catstarsto

angrytarg wrote: »

catstarsto wrote: »

(...)Its why i worked for nearly a year to get CBS to endorse my book, I wanted him to become canon. In the end they changed their minds and the book is now a free fanfic on Deviant Art since it lost its licence to be sold. We needed a notable Caitian in the Trek universe, M'ress was just a temporary stand in like Pulaski.

I do understand the ideal value this would have had for you and probably the opportunities to earn some money, but even if your stories had been licensed they still wouldn't be canon (none of the licensed works are). I think the only thing that would have happened would be a lot of licensing fees...
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You see thats just it, it never was about the money. Ive spent lots of money before just for the privilege to entertain people, it never really took off, much like people like picaso and van gogh...they had a very small following while they where alive, while any artists hope is to make a good living off of their art, its getting to see people enjoy it and ask for more that inspires them. 50 years ago, if you made funny faces on tv people would tune in every week....stuff like Cat Trek and Detective Comicals would have been a success during that generation. Now it seems, unless your able to add in busty bikini clad characters, doing things id rather not say, while engaging in constant fighting and anger filled personalities (wrestling/reality tv/shooter games/mature themed stuff) no ones satisfied.

I missed the generation i could relate with... =U.U=

angrytarg

No

catstarsto wrote: »

You see thats just it, it never was about the money. Ive spent lots of money before just for the privilege to entertain people, it never really took off, much like people like picaso and van gogh...they had a very small following while they where alive, while any artists hope is to make a good living off of their art, its getting to see people enjoy it and ask for more that inspires them. 50 years ago, if you made funny faces on tv people would tune in every week....stuff like Cat Trek and Detective Comicals would have been a success during that generation. Now it seems, unless your able to add in busty bikini clad characters, doing things id rather not say, while engaging in constant fighting and anger filled personalities (wrestling/reality tv/shooter games/mature themed stuff) no ones satisfied.

I missed the generation i could relate with... =U.U=

In that case you should be glad your work didn't get licensed. I think the most important factor about art is independence and freedom. Getting into business with CBS/Paramount is the complete opposite, I am certain about that.
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gulberat

No

angrytarg wrote: »

catstarsto wrote: »

You see thats just it, it never was about the money. Ive spent lots of money before just for the privilege to entertain people, it never really took off, much like people like picaso and van gogh...they had a very small following while they where alive, while any artists hope is to make a good living off of their art, its getting to see people enjoy it and ask for more that inspires them. 50 years ago, if you made funny faces on tv people would tune in every week....stuff like Cat Trek and Detective Comicals would have been a success during that generation. Now it seems, unless your able to add in busty bikini clad characters, doing things id rather not say, while engaging in constant fighting and anger filled personalities (wrestling/reality tv/shooter games/mature themed stuff) no ones satisfied.

I missed the generation i could relate with... =U.U=

In that case you should be glad your work didn't get licensed. I think the most important factor about art is independence and freedom. Getting into business with CBS/Paramount is the complete opposite, I am certain about that.
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Exactly why I am not pursuing that route with my writing. I've seen PocketBooks' specifications many years ago, and I've seen what they are doing now, trying to build up a universe on par with Star Wars Legends, and I do not want those kinds of constraints.

I would also point out that just because you deal with heavy themes in your writing doesn't mean there can't be a core of values behind it. Without getting into details, I can say that even though there is violence and not all of my characters watch their language, there is most definitely a central ethic that underlies what I write, and I take my obligation seriously in that regard. The funny thing about it is that this means my writing doesn't always sit easy with everybody: for some people it shows how the world is in too unvarnished a manner (such as my not censoring bad language when I know a character would curse--even though I take care not to overuse it, there are occasions where I have a story employ the "Precision F Strike"), but other people do not care for the core principles in it and would rather have things that are grimdark with only antiheroes at best and there aren't any really good, principled people, and that is also something I cannot compromise on to satisfy that constituency.

zaichal

No

No.

Why should some random person's character take priority over other people's characters, just because the person behind the character tried to make his creation a part of Star Trek canon?

The name also sticks out awkwardly. A caitian named CatStar is like naming a romulan SpaceElfStar or a human HomoSapianStar.

Mackenzie Calhoun, a character from the Star Trek: New Frontier novels is an NPC in the game. That's fine. Peter David, the author, has wrote lots of stuff for various other companies too. It's his career.

It's not the same as whatever this is, which seems to be a thinly veiled attempt to advertise some fanfic series.

gulberat

No

zaichal wrote: »

No.

Why should some random person's character take priority over other people's characters, just because the person behind the character tried to make his creation a part of Star Trek canon?

The name also sticks out awkwardly. A caitian named CatStar is like naming a romulan SpaceElfStar or a human HomoSapianStar.

Mackenzie Calhoun, a character from the Star Trek: New Frontier novels is an NPC in the game. That's fine. Peter David, the author, has wrote lots of stuff for various other companies too. It's his career.

It's not the same as whatever this is, which seems to be a thinly veiled attempt to advertise some fanfic series.

Mackenzie Calhoun is actually an example of what shouldn't have been published in the first place or been in the game, if you've ever read the New Frontier books. He's a thinly-disguised comic book character/Gary Stu, and in my personal opinion Peter David was not held to tight enough editorial control.

Now, I don't know CatStar the way I do the character of Calhoun, nor do I know how the OP would integrate him into the universe if given the opportunity to do so by the powers that be. So I can't make a fully informed comparison there even though I find the general principle problematic.

But what happened with Calhoun does show the trouble that can happen when one author for a property starts to get preferential treatment.

zaichal

No

gulberat wrote: »

But what happened with Calhoun does show the trouble that can happen when one author for a property starts to get preferential treatment.

That's a good point. I gave up on that series after a few books, because it became too much of a Marty-Stu and friends saga.
You're absolutely right and it is just another reason for me to firmly vote no.

In this case, I get the feeling that CatStarSTO believes he's more famous/important than he actually is, hence the self-serving poll. With that in mind, giving him an opportunity to advertise his creation via being made an NPC in Star Trek Online is probably not for the best.

scarling

No

catstarsto wrote: »

Should CatStar be an NPC in the STO storyline; would you like to have him join your toons during a fight or negotiation...maybe even an extra in some parts? Wearing his "Star Trek Generation; holodeck ceremonial Captains uniform"

WHo is CatStar--> http://adventure-cat.deviantart.com/gallery/49734929/CatStar

catstarsto

take it easy...no need to strangle me lol

not sure i get where the anger comes form on it, was just a simple poll. im not saying im self intitled, nor am i trying to be as forceful as stan lee with his characters....was just a poll, not even a request to have him in the game. =O.o=

cmdrscarlet

Yes

I think *some* posts above just don't "get it".

gulberat

No

zaichal wrote: »

gulberat wrote: »

But what happened with Calhoun does show the trouble that can happen when one author for a property starts to get preferential treatment.

That's a good point. I gave up on that series after a few books, because it became too much of a Marty-Stu and friends saga.
You're absolutely right and it is just another reason for me to firmly vote no.

In this case, I get the feeling that CatStarSTO believes he's more famous/important than he actually is, hence the self-serving poll. With that in mind, giving him an opportunity to advertise his creation via being made an NPC in Star Trek Online is probably not for the best.

I won't speak to CatStar's personal motives...I don't feel that's appropriate for me to do. And there's certainly no anger from me, as he seems to fear.

Rather, if he does want to advertise his creation, I think the Foundry is perfectly fair game for him as long as there are no products promoted for financial gain (which I figure would be a EULA problem anyway). I certainly wouldn't rule out playing a Foundry mission of his, as I think that's the appropriate place for it.

xarynn2058

No

Nope. I'd go as far as to ask why you think your character is so significant as to warrant becoming an officially sanctioned npc? I see no valid justification.

captainoblivous

No

cmdrscarlet wrote: »

I think *some* posts above just don't "get it".

You've already voted :P

spacegoatcx

No

This game has enough self-important, yet entirely meaningless, furries infesting it on every level of in-game society as is.