New Trek series being pitched to!

oldkhemaraa

This just in!


[url="http://"]http://screenrant.com/star-trek-uncharted-fan-pitch/[/url]

SO lets see, Andromeda..check, race responsible for seeding life in our galaxy, check.

WAIT A MOMENT!.. that would be the preservers, or the Iconians, but aren't we currently fighting the Iconians (who have been hanging out in Andromeda for most of the last 200,000 years? Proposed series is set 200 years after kirk (just before or after STO?)

Have to see how it plays out, and if the network picks it up... someone tell Christine T If the network goes for it I got a feeling she's going to have to be the go to gal for contiguity!

Nice to have scooped a least a few of you!

*Kui grins!*


Lets not over speculate. Won't know any more for a bit...But I got a feeling that the STO Dev team may be following this!

aloishammer

Borked link, so someone tell me what it has to do with STO and why it's not in Ten Forward.

EDIT: Manually typed link, answer is: unrelated to STO, Ten Forward's that way -->

daveyny

Your link isn't working.

This one does though...
http://screenrant.com/star-trek-uncharted-fan-pitch

bobbydazlers

probably end up going nowhere like all the other rumoured star trek series that were supposed to grace our screens.

like this one that turned out to be totally false.
http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-trek-exclusive-trek-is-going-to-return-to-tv

daveyny

bobbydazlers wrote: »

probably end up going nowhere like all the other rumoured star trek series that were supposed to grace our screens.

It is kinda-sorta unusual for a studio to offer something like this.
Pretty cool.
I guess we can only hope that they are serious about it and aren't just fishing for ideas to borrow.
(Like CBS did to Roddenberry when they turned down "Wagon Train to the Stars" and then green-lit "Lost in Space")

commanderkassy

Sounds like it takes place 50 years after STO. I think that while STO isn't canon, the series should take it into account so as not to invalidate everything we do in the game. I think it would actually be cool to canonize the game. If this signal from Andromeda is from the Preservers, maybe the show can even talk about how the Iconians destroyed what we thought were the last of them.

farmallm

I say it will be more likely going no where. I saw several stuff here and there for a movie or series. And nothing came from it.

kojirohellfire

bobbydazlers wrote: »

probably end up going nowhere like all the other rumoured star trek series that were supposed to grace our screens.

like this one that turned out to be totally false.
http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-trek-exclusive-trek-is-going-to-return-to-tv

Everything from Latino Review is false. It's like the Weekly World News of movie review sites.

As for this pitch, I have to wonder how long it'll take CBS to wise up and realize that there's demand for a Star Trek series again. The fact that these articles keep popping up all over is evidence enough that there is.

Also, this thread should be in Ten Forward since it has nothing to do with the game directly.

bones1970

I can now officially announce that I do, indeed, have an invitation to come pitch Star Trek Uncharted at Paramount this summer!

Isn't paramount movies only ?? cbs have the rights for the series !!

oldkhemaraa

yea thats just a pit particular.. series rights stay with CBS... Noting this was apparently discussed on the G&T show. No idea... Oh, and my understanding is STO is canon... that's why all story's/missions for the game do have to be vetted by CBS. I'm all ready after originally posting for this thinking its not quite right. Have to wait and see what news comes of this.

rattler2

commanderkassy wrote: »

Sounds like it takes place 50 years after STO. I think that while STO isn't canon, the series should take it into account so as not to invalidate everything we do in the game. I think it would actually be cool to canonize the game. If this signal from Andromeda is from the Preservers, maybe the show can even talk about how the Iconians destroyed what we thought were the last of them.

Unfortunately a lot of things from games are invalidated by shows.

• Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force had the entire cast reprizing their roles, yet there is no canon Hazard Team.
• Star Trek Legacy has a potential origin of the Borg, yet that is not canon.
• Star Trek Deep Space Nine: Dominion Wars has things in it that aren't in canon, such as a rescue mission to get Tom Riker out of a Prison ship in order to recruit him into the war effort. I believe he was relegated to a prison planet in the Lazon system in canon.
• Starfleet Command 3 takes place after Voyager returns home, yet there is no mention of an incident involving the Romulans and holocloak technology. The closest thing we have to that is the Drone Ship from Enterprise, which is like 200 years before Voyager was even built, and the incident in SFC3 involved stolen Fed Incursion tech.

I hate to say it, but most games can draw on canon, but very few, if any, are ever considered canon. I think the only two are Aliens: Colonial Marines and Star Trek (reboot universe game).

timpants

Paramount just wants the domain name the guy owns (www.startrekbeyond.com). They probably want to avoid a PR stir by just seizing it so they're inviting him in, they'll humour him for an hour or 2 by listening to his pitch then he'll sign over the rights and he'll fade into obscurity again. A new series can only be made if CBS approves it, and Paramount isn't going to listen to a pitch then pitch it all over again to CBS. That's just stupid.

angrytarg

oldkhemaraa wrote: »

yea thats just a pit particular.. series rights stay with CBS... Noting this was apparently discussed on the G&T show. No idea... Oh, and my understanding is STO is canon... that's why all story's/missions for the game do have to be vetted by CBS. I'm all ready after originally posting for this thinking its not quite right. Have to wait and see what news comes of this.

STO is not canon, by definition alone. Only the shows and movies by CBS and Paramount are canon. Nothing else which includes novels, games, even promotional material. STO is a licensed game and as such CBS has a loose control over it including veto rights but don't confuse that with being canonical. In fact, STO contradicts canon on so many levels it would hurt the franchise more if they would actually adapt it.

bobbydazlers

there are just so many instances where the promise of a new star trek series was made but never went anywhere as far as I have seen, these include things like Renegades, Axanar, Captain Pike, Titan, Captain Worf as well as an extensive list of undeveloped star trek projects here >

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek_projects

I just don't hold out much hope for a new series anymore.
not until I see a new series listed on the tv guide will I take any notice of any more of these star trek news items.

I`ve just had my hopes raised too many times to get excited about this any more.
I have finally come to the conclusion that the next movie if that indeed happens itself will be the last we will ever see of star trek as far as live action goes.

rangerryu

Star Trek Axanar has already begun filming and Star Trek Renegades is in post production. (these obviously aren't official productions but numerous Star Trek actors are in them so.....)

benben500

commanderkassy wrote: »

Sounds like it takes place 50 years after STO. I think that while STO isn't canon, the series should take it into account so as not to invalidate everything we do in the game. I think it would actually be cool to canonize the game. If this signal from Andromeda is from the Preservers, maybe the show can even talk about how the Iconians destroyed what we thought were the last of them.

I hope STO doesn't become cannon. STO conflicts with cannon quite a lot of times and the storyline is not so great. Cryptic basically picks some new species every once in a while for us to fight. They make a lot of decisions that seem ignorant/misinformed or extreme stretches. Putting a whole bunch of species (and planets, spacey things, etc.) that Voyager encountered in one tiny part of the delta quadrant and referring to that as the whole quadrant.

There are things such as:
-Preservers=Ancient Humanoids --- The Preservers were definitely alive when there was other sentient life in the galaxy, and iirc the Ancient Humanoids were dying out as life began, and seeded their genes everywhere.
-Species 8472 can shapeshift --- iirc the 8472 used genetic modifications or something similar and could not change shape whenever they wanted to (Cryptic seems to have them doing very Founderish things)
-The Federation fighting the Klingons --- It's unlikely that the Federation would not believe the Klingons when they tell them they have found infiltrators, especially after the friendship they developed after the Dominion War

The whole deal with the Iconians:
Making them not only evil, but actually making them god-like/magical, doesn't feel very Trek at all and doesn't seem related to how the Iconian plot in TNG ended. Then they pick some species and make them servitors. The "Elachi", "Solonae", and "Bluegills" (still don't understand the name of the last one) were just species, and it seems like a stretch to make them all servitors. The Solonae were just experimenting, the Bluegills were attempting to live with the Federation iirc, and the Elachi were just there once. They could still exist and be a discovered world by the point of a future series.

Personally, I think the sphere builders from ENT would have made better enemies, and since we know little about them, there is some room to work with. They used the Xindi, why not other species? They could have made the Dyson spheres (they did make spheres after all). There could also be potential for diplomacy with the servitors to allow for a more Trek feel.

Sorry about the rant.

thegrandnagus1

Well that's interesting.

rattler2

benben500 wrote: »

I hope STO doesn't become cannon. STO conflicts with cannon quite a lot of times and the storyline is not so great. Cryptic basically picks some new species every once in a while for us to fight. They make a lot of decisions that seem ignorant/misinformed or extreme stretches. Putting a whole bunch of species (and planets, spacey things, etc.) that Voyager encountered in one tiny part of the delta quadrant and referring to that as the whole quadrant.

STO won't be Canon. And Voyager only explored a small portion of the Delta Quadrant anyways.

There are things such as:
-Preservers=Ancient Humanoids --- The Preservers were definitely alive when there was other sentient life in the galaxy, and iirc the Ancient Humanoids were dying out as life began, and seeded their genes everywhere.

No idea how to respond to this one.

-Species 8472 can shapeshift --- iirc the 8472 used genetic modifications or something similar and could not change shape whenever they wanted to (Cryptic seems to have them doing very Founderish things)

They still require Isomorphic Injections to maintain it. A ship in the Cardassian arc had cargo holds full of the stuff.

-The Federation fighting the Klingons --- It's unlikely that the Federation would not believe the Klingons when they tell them they have found infiltrators, especially after the friendship they developed after the Dominion War

I think it wasn't that the Federation didn't believe the Klingons per se. The Klingons found evidence, and took the direct route of attacking governments (Gorn) and asked the Federation to help with nothing more than the Empire's word on the infiltrators. Starfleet just didn't see how much of a threat the Undine were. Captain Shon even admits that Starfleet didn't recognize the threat until later.

The whole deal with the Iconians:
Making them not only evil, but actually making them god-like/magical, doesn't feel very Trek at all and doesn't seem related to how the Iconian plot in TNG ended. Then they pick some species and make them servitors. The "Elachi", "Solonae", and "Bluegills" (still don't understand the name of the last one) were just species, and it seems like a stretch to make them all servitors. The Solonae were just experimenting, the Bluegills were attempting to live with the Federation iirc, and the Elachi were just there once. They could still exist and be a discovered world by the point of a future series.

The Iconians weren't ever seen in TNG. Just their tech. And any sufficiently advanced Tech can be idistinguisable from magic. A modern shotgun would look like some kind of magic Boomstick to Medieval Europeans.

The Solanae IMO was an interesting nod to an episode of TNG, so I don't really find that to be a fault. And they still fill the same role they had in the episode.

The Bluegills were actually trying to conquer the Federation from within, not live peacefully. Having them come back in STO gives one possibility on their origins. Although the bioweapon idea seems a little interesting...

The Elachi... well... we saw them once in Enterprise... and learned... well... almost nothing about them. They were a clean slate really.

Personally, I think the sphere builders from ENT would have made better enemies, and since we know little about them, there is some room to work with. They used the Xindi, why not other species? They could have made the Dyson spheres (they did make spheres after all). There could also be potential for diplomacy with the servitors to allow for a more Trek feel.

Sorry about the rant.

Who says the Sphere Builders won't show up anyways?
And... sometimes we all need a good rant.

kojirohellfire

benben500 wrote: »

and "Bluegills" (still don't understand the name of the last one)

It's a novelverse reference. The parasites were called Bluegills in the books and were allegedly Trill symbiont augments.

kojirohellfire

Apologies for the double post. Still getting used to this bloody interface.

tigeraries

from what I've read... another cr@p series with a ship called Enterprise... seems it's the only ship name they have. Sorry but ST is more than Enterprise... and all the way to Andromeda Galaxy? Why not set this in the 35th Cent instead...

sle1989

Star Trek: Uncharted

The adventures of Captain Nathan Drake and Commander Victor "Sully" Sullivan, with the plucky Federation News Service reporter Elena Fisher tagging along for the ride.

warmaker001b

New Star Trek TV series coming!

Half-Life 3 releasing next month!

World Peace to follow!

rattler2

tigeraries wrote: »

from what I've read... another cr@p series with a ship called Enterprise... seems it's the only ship name they have. Sorry but ST is more than Enterprise... and all the way to Andromeda Galaxy? Why not set this in the 35th Cent instead...

We had two shows not centered on the Enterprise. DS9 and Voyager.

Its just that Enterprise is the most recognizable in Star Trek because TOS was on the Enterprise, TNG was on the Enterprise, and Enterprise was on the Enterprise. That name is pretty much the icon of Star Trek.

The main problem I see with reaching Andromeda though is the Galactic Barrier.

azurianstar

From the synopsis I heard of this person's idea, I'm not a fan.

With all the projects out there, I find Axanar and Michael Dorn's Worf series to be really good ideas. Though I don't think Mr. Dorn or the other actors could pull off the timeline between the end of TNG and Nemesis. But I do like the focus on Klingon culture, because we only seen Star Trek mainly from the Federation's perspective.

duncanidaho11

benben500 wrote: »

-Species 8472 can shapeshift --- iirc the 8472 used genetic modifications or something similar and could not change shape whenever they wanted to (Cryptic seems to have them doing very Founderish things)

The limits of the shape-changing were never defined, nor the scope of their genome. The undine may change form using variable gene expression (to add babble to the standing canon) but they seem to be able to do it 1. quickly [see. the time it takes for the dead undine in Voy to "relax"] and 2. without much apparent difficulty (no strain was ever observed, unlike the founders). Shape changing a la founders (undoubtedly a weaker species from the Undine's point of view) therefore isn't implausible. Its just not the aspect Voyager focused on (as the shows often didn't focus on the full implications of major plot points.)

-The Federation fighting the Klingons --- It's unlikely that the Federation would not believe the Klingons when they tell them they have found infiltrators, especially after the friendship they developed after the Dominion War

Remember what preceded the Dominion war? War with the Klingons. What about? They claimed evidence of shape shifters in the Cardassian government. That also broke many more decades of peace between the two factions than existed prior to STO and one brokered under better circumstances than just after an alliance of absolute necessity. It also wasn't as well setup by DS9 (the path to 2409 did make a point about building political tensions (internal and external.))

The whole deal with the Iconians:
Making them not only evil, but actually making them god-like/magical, doesn't feel very Trek at all and doesn't seem related to how the Iconian plot in TNG ended.

How many genuine god like beings has ST featured? Its a good week if a non-corporeal being who plays with the fates of all around it doesn't turn up. IMO the iconians being proto-Q demonstrates a missing stage in the Lemarkian evolution of the ST universe. It may not be customary (with one example we've just seen the before or after, not the in-between), but it works. In that its just what I'd like to see out of a continuation of the property (much like the connection between some of the more interesting aliens of the week. It creates a structure to the IP which highlights how it isn't JUST trying to fill a release schedule.)

The TNG iconian episode, by the way, ended ambiguously. Picard speculated that the Iconians may not have been as malicious as portrayed by their opponents. He had no direct evidence to support that, its just a general point you can make about what tends to happen in historical conflicts (and there are certainly plenty of examples to the contrary where bad deeds were recorded with reasonable accuracy). Rather, he had some pretty strong evidence to support the alternative hypothesis (highly aggressive data systems, unquestionably designed to infect starships but without regard to their vital systems) and DS9 backed that up with the all too easy military application of the Iconian gateways (even if you could speculate that it wasn't their main function, its very difficult to say that it wasn't the gates' function at all.)

farshore

A great deal more perverted and offensive than it's ever been? Boldly doing what no TRIBBLE? has never done before?

angrytarg

As much as I'd like to see a new show (despite the quasi-knowledge of it being potentially terrible) I am hesitant to believe this is actually true. As others pointed out, Paramount has no deal with a TV show.

baudl

Personally I'd like to see more of the established races of the milky way after the events of Star trek: nemesis. But whatever is star trek I'll watch it and like it.

kodachikuno

Id rather see renegades get a green light instead personally or even a series not focused on starfleet. Lets do one from the perspective of the RSE or a Klingon vessel or both

captrott1

I read the backstory. Some of it is interesting but I do not care for a number of parts of it. It should definitely take place further in the future if they are going to be exploring another Galaxy. I do not understand why the person has Muslims under Milky Way Galaxy aliens. Muslims are a religious group not an alien race; so, I fail to understand why they are being highlighted... And it is established canon that Romulus was destroyed in the prime universe. I think it would make more since to pick a different species as the responsible one for the "Galactic War".

A Deltan and an Orion along with one that can change gender is a bit too much. I do like the transhumanist movement idea and the merging of tech with organic to get the best of both worlds.

And I agree they probably want to get the domain name for star trek beyond.