...which raises the question of do folks even play the game?
I can go in-game now, with the current palette, and make a bright white Fed ship, with bold red & blue patterning all over it. On the right hull material, those seemingly-muted colors can end up pretty strong.
(yep.... just paged through my screenshot folder. I've got pics in there of a Sovereign that's almost 50% red & blue. A purple-on-light-grey-hull VoQuv. A Raptor or two with really clear purple stripes - Orion and..... Virgo?... pattern. Etc. And this is under the older graphics engines. It also depends a lot on the space lighting you're in, of course.... I have shots of those same ships that seem like a washed-out mid-grey.)
Eh, whatever. It'll all amount to nothing. People will play with it the first week, and then it'll settle down to what we already have - a handful of people being wacky, a number of people using the system to make good looking ships (just with more options now), and a whole bunch of people flying stock things and/or stuff that's hidden under shield visuals.
There's a difference between working some comic elements into a work and the work being comical. Do you picture Star Wars like Spaceballs? Star Wars had its lighthearted moments...doesn't make it Spaceballs.
*waves hand* "These are not the colors you're looking for." :P
And let's also remember that a fleet can set its own standards, so stop the Starfleet/KDF/RRF would not do X or allow Z. The Tal'Diann/Tal-Diann allows freedom of this sort; freedom is what we are fighting for in the first place! at least since the first shots were fired on Virinat and Crateris (and longer than that for some of us). If Kererek has any problem with it, that's too bad. The Tal'Diann/Tal-Diann does not answer to New Romulus Star Navy personnel. We are a separate branch of the RRF and Kererek has no authority over us. You don't like our freedom? I don't care. I answer to D'Tan (and only D'Tan), not you.
Look closely at the current palette, so you can see that pink is already available (and so I don't have to go paint one of my ships pink to show you). Incidentally, I saw Starfleet vessels in the Sol system 3 years ago with so much pink on them that they might as well have been entirely pink. Shockingly, you don't see vast numbers of ships decorated like that, even though it's already possible. As someone else noted, you don't see vast numbers of ships decorated at all; most are left with the default appearance, or some structural variations from the default, but very few with any color schemes that go beyond the default setting.
Don't know if it has already been covered in this thread, because I haven't read all the pages. Does anybody like the new system of the palette?
Look at the first row. We go from bright red to a darker tone, then to light, almost white, then go darker again. Top down, red to green, blue, purple red again. This seems good, but I would put the last red row above the first one. Further I would put the white column on one side and the black one on the other, so we go from light to dark.
Don't know if it has already been covered in this thread, because I haven't read all the pages. Does anybody like the new system of the palette?
Look at the first row. We go from bright red to a darker tone, then to light, almost white, then go darker again. Top down, red to green, blue, purple red again. This seems good, but I would put the last red row above the first one. Further I would put the white column on one side and the black one on the other, so we go from light to dark.
Outside of some of the flames back and forth over it, there are just those organizational things like you've brought up here. There's also the actual interaction of the colors based on the underlying color of the ship.
Player A can use color XY and get something very different from Player B using the same color XY.
It can get frustrating for a user that has a perceived selection of options being presented by the color palette, ship skins, patterns, along with the primary/secondary color selections that just do not play out because of muting or discoloration.
If they gave the option to bleed/mix or just go with the colors, then there might be an increased amount of usability rather than folks feeling like they have to go bold or go home.
My biggest issue with the color palette is that it's a bit too big and obscures the view on the ship - you basically always have to close the palette to get a feel how your ship looks now, rather than going over a few different color variations and see the effects immediately.
Sorting colors is not easy. A basic problem is that colors can be described with 3 dimensions (for example, Red, Green, Blue or Hue, Saturation and Lightness), but a palette is only 2 dimensional. You will always end up with colors that are similar to the human eye be separated on your color palette.
And of course, on top of that, RGB, HSV and similar color models and even subtractive color models like in painting still don't quite conform to how humans perceive colour.
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My biggest issue with the color palette is that it's a bit too big and obscures the view on the ship - you basically always have to close the palette to get a feel how your ship looks now, rather than going over a few different color variations and see the effects immediately.
Sorting colors is not easy. A basic problem is that colors can be described with 3 dimensions (for example, Red, Green, Blue or Hue, Saturation and Lightness), but a palette is only 2 dimensional. You will always end up with colors that are similar to the human eye be separated on your color palette.
I wonder if there is a limitation on the number of colors that can be rendered. It would seem like a pretty high number if that is the case, given how the colors change depending on the underlying skin/etc. Would something more like a color picker rather than a palette perhaps work better?
Kind of like this part from the color picker in GIMP2, eh?
It's still a bit humorous how this pretty much blew over without end of the world drama in-game over the new color palette.
Aside from one or two players raving about it on ESD, there was pretty much universal acceptance of it.
And a few neat designs that meshed well with either armor overlays (Assimilated Borg and Aegis Shields) or with the skin materials available to ships.
I'm actually more surprised that there wasn't an influx of pink ships aside from those who thematically wanted such.
Now they just need to do the same with the tailor colors and clothing, so we can get all the same color options, maybe include reflectivity and hue sliders so that we can get some different parts to better match (like dulling the armor reflectivity to matte to better match a cloth color equivalent).
I'm all for immersion and all, but let's face it, it died a LONG time ago in STO. I'm wouldn't be shocked by a flying pink TRIBBLE over ESD, because we already had that (looking at you Voth ship and Caitian carrier).
Heck, we even have thalaron powered Scimitar over Earth (security risk ? Why ?), Jem'hadar ship over Qonos, and even the ultra pacifist Risan built warships. It's so dumb as to have the military ship landed in front of the main resort of the planet. Like a military ship in the marina.
So yeah, pink and purple ship ? Come on, canon is gone from STO a long time ago. The only way to have a bit of it, is to play alone or in dedicated fleet, mostly the episodes. Everything else is a Star Trek themed MMO, like LEGO Star Wars is a Star Wars themed game.
Especially in a game that is Star Trek fanfiction. Very creative fanfiction, but still. Fanfiction.
I really think some people don't understand the meaning of the term "fanfiction." Novels published under the "Star Trek" name are something more than fanfiction. They may not be "hard canon," but a licensed work, like most of the novels, like STO, ... that goes a little further than "fanfiction." Fanfiction would be, for example, you writing up a more or less original story based on Trek and posting it to a website without license from the IP holder.
I can ramble on for an extended period of time about colors and shades. Just ask my fleet personnel why they avoid saying "purple" around me so as to not set me off on a long dissertation about why purple is not a color and why violet is not purple, followed by the names of shades of purple and shades of violet, with links to examples ...
Yeah, that really happened. More than once. So don't be presumptuous enough to rewrite what I said before you take the time to figure out who you're talking to (hint: a girly girl, even if she be a "Proto-Goth," is likely to know more than the average bear about colors and shades).
I can ramble on for an extended period of time about colors and shades. Just ask my fleet personnel why they avoid saying "purple" around me so as to not set me off on a long dissertation about why purple is not a color and why violet is not purple, followed by the names of shades of purple and shades of violet, with links to examples ...
Yeah, that really happened. More than once.
During a fleet meeting once, me and several others played a game. Every time she said purple, violet, lavender, or any shade thereof, we ran to the bloodwine table, toasted, and ran back. Sometimes we didn't return to our seats for 5 minutes straight.
(hint: a girly girl, even if she be a "Proto-Goth," is likely to know more than the average bear about colors and shades).
Ooh, I get the name now . Why have I only just got that? :rolleyes:
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I can ramble on for an extended period of time about colors and shades.
Then you should know the difference between bold/hot pinks and soft pinks, yeah? The continued posting of a soft pink in a discussion about bold/hot pinks looked better under the impression of you not knowing the difference than it does under the impression you do know the difference.
I can ramble on for an extended period of time about colors and shades. Just ask my fleet personnel why they avoid saying "purple" around me so as to not set me off on a long dissertation about why purple is not a color and why violet is not purple, followed by the names of shades of purple and shades of violet, with links to examples ...
Yeah, that really happened. More than once. So don't be presumptuous enough to rewrite what I said before you take the time to figure out who you're talking to (hint: a girly girl, even if she be a "Proto-Goth," is likely to know more than the average bear about colors and shades).
The differences in regards to perception of the colour spectrum, as perceived by the two dominant groups:
I like it, made my Galaxy Dread look better. The color thing was kinda aggravating cause it covered up your ship. So you had to constantly bring it back up to make changes. It would been nice if they provided a smaller interface for that. So you can see the ship better as you make the color changes.
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I do like the new options for colors on the ships. I spent an entirely enjoyable hour or so tweaking a Vesta to see just how far the new color palette would let me go. I did not make it to a recognizable shade of pink.
But I came this close, lol.
Yeah, I know. "Space Barbie" and all that. But fun is where you find it in this game these days.
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I can go in-game now, with the current palette, and make a bright white Fed ship, with bold red & blue patterning all over it. On the right hull material, those seemingly-muted colors can end up pretty strong.
(yep.... just paged through my screenshot folder. I've got pics in there of a Sovereign that's almost 50% red & blue. A purple-on-light-grey-hull VoQuv. A Raptor or two with really clear purple stripes - Orion and..... Virgo?... pattern. Etc. And this is under the older graphics engines. It also depends a lot on the space lighting you're in, of course.... I have shots of those same ships that seem like a washed-out mid-grey.)
Eh, whatever. It'll all amount to nothing. People will play with it the first week, and then it'll settle down to what we already have - a handful of people being wacky, a number of people using the system to make good looking ships (just with more options now), and a whole bunch of people flying stock things and/or stuff that's hidden under shield visuals.
Neon Lime Green with Electric Blue details.
*waves hand* "These are not the colors you're looking for." :P
Currently in Star Trek Online (live, not test) A large number of my ships use these colors. I haven't experienced anyone in-game talking about my "flying circus."
And let's also remember that a fleet can set its own standards, so stop the Starfleet/KDF/RRF would not do X or allow Z. The Tal'Diann/Tal-Diann allows freedom of this sort; freedom is what we are fighting for in the first place! at least since the first shots were fired on Virinat and Crateris (and longer than that for some of us). If Kererek has any problem with it, that's too bad. The Tal'Diann/Tal-Diann does not answer to New Romulus Star Navy personnel. We are a separate branch of the RRF and Kererek has no authority over us. You don't like our freedom? I don't care. I answer to D'Tan (and only D'Tan), not you.
Look closely at the current palette, so you can see that pink is already available (and so I don't have to go paint one of my ships pink to show you). Incidentally, I saw Starfleet vessels in the Sol system 3 years ago with so much pink on them that they might as well have been entirely pink. Shockingly, you don't see vast numbers of ships decorated like that, even though it's already possible. As someone else noted, you don't see vast numbers of ships decorated at all; most are left with the default appearance, or some structural variations from the default, but very few with any color schemes that go beyond the default setting.
Even though 90% of the content in the game is completely free?
And Zen can be acquired with in game currencies?
Please tell me about How Cryptic is a terrible greedy fascist overlord. :rolleyes:
Can't say I expected anything less from the clowns running this game.
Give this Targ a cookie! Or whatever Targs eat....
Nobody suggested that you did.
And the whole concept of fleets in STO as they're excuted is another reason STO is a parody.
Look at the first row. We go from bright red to a darker tone, then to light, almost white, then go darker again. Top down, red to green, blue, purple red again. This seems good, but I would put the last red row above the first one. Further I would put the white column on one side and the black one on the other, so we go from light to dark.
Outside of some of the flames back and forth over it, there are just those organizational things like you've brought up here. There's also the actual interaction of the colors based on the underlying color of the ship.
Player A can use color XY and get something very different from Player B using the same color XY.
It can get frustrating for a user that has a perceived selection of options being presented by the color palette, ship skins, patterns, along with the primary/secondary color selections that just do not play out because of muting or discoloration.
If they gave the option to bleed/mix or just go with the colors, then there might be an increased amount of usability rather than folks feeling like they have to go bold or go home.
Sorting colors is not easy. A basic problem is that colors can be described with 3 dimensions (for example, Red, Green, Blue or Hue, Saturation and Lightness), but a palette is only 2 dimensional. You will always end up with colors that are similar to the human eye be separated on your color palette.
And of course, on top of that, RGB, HSV and similar color models and even subtractive color models like in painting still don't quite conform to how humans perceive colour.
I wonder if there is a limitation on the number of colors that can be rendered. It would seem like a pretty high number if that is the case, given how the colors change depending on the underlying skin/etc. Would something more like a color picker rather than a palette perhaps work better?
Kind of like this part from the color picker in GIMP2, eh?
http://i.imgur.com/nk9Eh1S.png
Aside from one or two players raving about it on ESD, there was pretty much universal acceptance of it.
And a few neat designs that meshed well with either armor overlays (Assimilated Borg and Aegis Shields) or with the skin materials available to ships.
I'm actually more surprised that there wasn't an influx of pink ships aside from those who thematically wanted such.
Now they just need to do the same with the tailor colors and clothing, so we can get all the same color options, maybe include reflectivity and hue sliders so that we can get some different parts to better match (like dulling the armor reflectivity to matte to better match a cloth color equivalent).
Could be because ship customization appears broken for many people. :P (Fed-ships only, it would seem).
Heck, we even have thalaron powered Scimitar over Earth (security risk ? Why ?), Jem'hadar ship over Qonos, and even the ultra pacifist Risan built warships. It's so dumb as to have the military ship landed in front of the main resort of the planet. Like a military ship in the marina.
So yeah, pink and purple ship ? Come on, canon is gone from STO a long time ago. The only way to have a bit of it, is to play alone or in dedicated fleet, mostly the episodes. Everything else is a Star Trek themed MMO, like LEGO Star Wars is a Star Wars themed game.
That sounds fabulous! :P
I really think some people don't understand the meaning of the term "fanfiction." Novels published under the "Star Trek" name are something more than fanfiction. They may not be "hard canon," but a licensed work, like most of the novels, like STO, ... that goes a little further than "fanfiction." Fanfiction would be, for example, you writing up a more or less original story based on Trek and posting it to a website without license from the IP holder.
I can ramble on for an extended period of time about colors and shades. Just ask my fleet personnel why they avoid saying "purple" around me so as to not set me off on a long dissertation about why purple is not a color and why violet is not purple, followed by the names of shades of purple and shades of violet, with links to examples ...
Yeah, that really happened. More than once. So don't be presumptuous enough to rewrite what I said before you take the time to figure out who you're talking to (hint: a girly girl, even if she be a "Proto-Goth," is likely to know more than the average bear about colors and shades).
During a fleet meeting once, me and several others played a game. Every time she said purple, violet, lavender, or any shade thereof, we ran to the bloodwine table, toasted, and ran back. Sometimes we didn't return to our seats for 5 minutes straight.
Ooh, I get the name now
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Then you should know the difference between bold/hot pinks and soft pinks, yeah? The continued posting of a soft pink in a discussion about bold/hot pinks looked better under the impression of you not knowing the difference than it does under the impression you do know the difference.
The differences in regards to perception of the colour spectrum, as perceived by the two dominant groups:
Women, Artists, Designers:
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heh probably because "proto-goth" isnt exactly a widely used term and somewhat redundant, still it makes sense.
basically a person becoming a goth but not quite there yet
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Dont like it, dont do it!
But I came this close, lol.
Yeah, I know. "Space Barbie" and all that. But fun is where you find it in this game these days.