remember this sentiment when they attack new romulus.
((Getting a bit tired of the repeated affronts to New Romulus and Qo'noS.
ESD was fairly gutted by the Undine. The FedBrats got a new ESD. The same Undine hit the Qo'noS Orbital Shipyard as well. KDF still has the same old Orbital Shipyard. The Iconians hit Starbase 234 (which is located in an offensive manner in the midst of Republic space). Starbase 234 is still there, threatening the security of the Republic should the alliance not survive. Heralds landed on New Romulus and were repulsed, only for most of those RRF personnel involved in the battle to be obliterated by an Iconian. The Heralds and Harbinger seem to have destroyed the gate on New Romulus. The ground is still scorched from the battle. Heralds attacked the Qo'noS system and were repelled. Heralds attacked First City and were repelled, but not before doing significant damage. An Iconian challenged to honorable combat was felled, but then teleported behind the mighty Kahless (clone or no) and dishonorably stabbed him in the back like a coward. The Sword of Kahless was left behind in an Iconian base. Now the Borg are going to attack New Romulus.
We have yet no orbital defenses in the New Romulus system. We still cannot go inside the Capitol City. We continue to have no Security Officer at New Romulus Command, no nightclub anywhere on New Romulus, no academy on New Romulus, no interior for the Dreadbirds, and only one bridge for standard warbirds.
KDF personnel still have improperly functioning doors, still have an abyssmal layout for facilities in First City, have now been told they will get no new Science vessels, are treated like the red-headed stepchild of the game.
But the FedBrats got their shiny new ESD, and then a new club on ESD. And to add insult to injury, they got six T6 ships for the Delta Rising release, whereas the RRF and KDF got two each, a situation which should have been rectified long since, but has yet to even be acknowledged as inappropriate behavior from the company. And they wonder why the RRF and KDF have fewer players and are not as profitable as the UFP, yet they continue to do things which only reinforce that situation.))
I say of the Bhorgsu: bring them on. We still have that mutagenic virus we used to defeat the Haakonans. Janeway didn't go far enough, and she is villified by her own people for going as far as she did, because the Federation seems incapable of understanding the need to remove the threat once and for all. Let's show the Feds how it's done.
And then we'll need to turn our attention to a city on Terrha from which all these attacks have been being directed somehow. We have yet to determine if the source be Section 31 or some clandestine Undine or Iconian base, but the evidence is compelling that something nefarious is going on there, which threatens New Romulus and Qo'noS. Some of the evidence points to the Feh'rengsu. Time we paid a visit and got to the bottom of this. Perhaps the red tents on Risa are connected in some way, which may also involve the Feh'rengsu, who have a warship parked in the waters of the Federation's "pleasure planet."
Maybe ... maybe the Feh'rengsu are behind the entire reawakening of the Ikonnsu, a scheme to be war profiteers, encouraging Hakiv's insanity, selling arms to both sides, and fanning the flames of the Romulan civil war. If this be so, then the Feh'rengsu are the true enemy, and will have to be dealt with in proper Romulan fashion. A few destabilized plasma torpedoes should do the trick.
Vega is on hte map. Its in the Northeast corner of the Risa Sector. That, and given the number of STFs that take place there, and hte lack of any mention of hte Borg being relevant at the moment, I think it can be safely assumed that they were driven off.
Thanks! Dunno how I missed that! Maybe the guy who made this chart can weigh in someday.
Protogoth for one thing, they need to remove those tents from New Romulus, put some trigger where when you hit lvl 60 the map changes....the place can't remain a frontier and at the same time be developing brand new starships. Not that I think the Republic can become so powerful in the span of a year, but as it stands, at least make it all consistent.
Thanks! Dunno how I missed that! Maybe the guy who made this chart can weigh in someday.
Protogoth for one thing, they need to remove those tents from New Romulus, put some trigger where when you hit lvl 60 the map changes....the place can't remain a frontier and at the same time be developing brand new starships. Not that I think the Republic can become so powerful in the span of a year, but as it stands, at least make it all consistent.
The adventure zone on New Romulus is perpetually stuck in the past (although you can now see some traces of the Iconian attack out in the Hwael Ruins area, so the external view of the Capitol should have been updated as well, so show less construction and more complete edifices). I do not wish to see this changed; some players may not begin to work seriously on Rep until they hit level 60, particularly DeltAlts created during the recent Delta Recruitment promotion, so the adventure zone needs to remain largely as is for the purpose of earning Romulan Marks and other goodies connected to our new Hearthworld, such as pet Nanovir and pet Epohhir (although, for the record, "epohh" is Rihan for "pet," ...).
That said, at this date, no reason exists for continuing to bar RRF personnel from the interior of what must now be a more complete/finished Capitol City, wherein ought to be found many of the things we have noticed as lacking in our faction, and requested repeatedly. And lest the FedBrats wander in here and start pissing on our legitimate complaints and requests again, with some irrelevant distraction about how the Federation "only" (*chokes on the irony*) gets ESD and Starfleet Academy, and the Romulans already have the Flotilla and New Romulus Command, -- I will point out that the Klingons have First City, Klingon Academy, and the Qo'noS Orbital Shipyard, --- and the Federation has multiple starbases across their territory in the Beta Quadrant (such as the lair of the arrogant and illogical racist T'Nae), whereas Klingons have only Ganalda Station, and Romulans have nothing of the sort. Apart from the storyline mission and the PvE queue, we don't get to visit The Vault (and in neither of those situations is it allowed to serve as a ground social map). Apart from the occasional PvE queue for the Mirror Incursion, we don't get to visit Vauthil Station, and cannot actually enter it. So our having three social zones would still leave us behind the Feds and the Klinks.
Some of the evidence points to the Feh'rengsu. Time we paid a visit and got to the bottom of this. Perhaps the red tents on Risa are connected in some way, which may also involve the Feh'rengsu, who have a warship parked in the waters of the Federation's "pleasure planet."
Maybe ... maybe the Feh'rengsu are behind the entire reawakening of the Ikonnsu, a scheme to be war profiteers, encouraging Hakiv's insanity, selling arms to both sides, and fanning the flames of the Romulan civil war. If this be so, then the Feh'rengsu are the true enemy, and will have to be dealt with in proper Romulan fashion. A few destabilized plasma torpedoes should do the trick.
Ahahaha! I have a psychic connection to the Devs! Behold: the evidence!
I dream of the day a Fleet created by a Romulan-faction player creates a Romulan starbase, and not that of whatever alliance you make.
I think I'd prefer a Special Project that allows us to alter the cosmetics of the starbase to reflect Romulan design. I love Romulans, but not enough to start Fleet Progression over from scratch.
I think I'd prefer a Special Project that allows us to alter the cosmetics of the starbase to reflect Romulan design. I love Romulans, but not enough to start Fleet Progression over from scratch.
I agree. We should not be penalized for Cryptic's failure to implement three distinct factions. Heck, if ********* (edit: Uh, a certain browser-based fantasy-genre MMO which many of us have played earlier in our online gaming experience) could do it over a decade ago, it ought not to be too challenging for Cryptic to do today.
interesting to note... checked the rumor mill and the borg attack on new romulus mission is gone... but there are pictures of Iconians that are not glossy liquid looking and the background makes me think 'ancient iconia before the bombardment'
I think I'd prefer a Special Project that allows us to alter the cosmetics of the starbase to reflect Romulan design. I love Romulans, but not enough to start Fleet Progression over from scratch.
Ah, sorry. I should have been clearer - I did mean for any new Fleets created. New players coming into the game.
But the Special Projects 'upgrade' for existing fleets would be a superb idea, and one I would absolutely support.
If I was looking for an interim world that could act as 'neutral space' for dialogues between the RSE and RR territories, much in the same way Khitomer was for the Klingon Empire/Federation, which would you think is best?
Or I could just make one up that's not on the map.
Chulan? It's kind of on the edge. I zoomed in recently in game, it's clearly in RR hands, but it's near enough to Rator to be neutral in my book. Also, has anyone else zoomed in on Rator in the galaxy map? It seems to be in a mix of blue and green, but not quite the RR green.
Chulan? It's kind of on the edge. I zoomed in recently in game, it's clearly in RR hands, but it's near enough to Rator to be neutral in my book. Also, has anyone else zoomed in on Rator in the galaxy map? It seems to be in a mix of blue and green, but not quite the RR green.
I've been there. It's definitely the Republic green. Especially when, like I said, you have Republic colonies like Rhi further north. A basic principle of warfare, like concentration of force and such, is to never leave a large enemy concentration in your rear. It invites disaster when they decide to he!p their buddies on the other side of your lines give you a bear hug. Like I've said before, there is enough circumstantial evidence, as well as so much strategic imperative, that I can't imagine a scenario in which the Republic would not take Rator. Especially giving Cryptic's clear intent to show them one their last legs.
Chulan? It's kind of on the edge. I zoomed in recently in game, it's clearly in RR hands, but it's near enough to Rator to be neutral in my book. Also, has anyone else zoomed in on Rator in the galaxy map? It seems to be in a mix of blue and green, but not quite the RR green.
Chulan is definitely a Republic world - RhIhho Station is in orbit.
Rator's right on the edge of the Neutral Zone, and with the hard-line having been removed from the map, yeah it's ends of with some shades of blue approaching it.
I've been there. It's definitely the Republic green. Especially when, like I said, you have Republic colonies like Rhi further north.
I really wish we could get a clear answer on this at some point...
Either way, Rator appears to be netural at best. It's definitely in 'Romulan' territory, but unclear who holds it. That 3rd horizontal line (Rator / Unroth / Gasko / Iconia Sectors) contains a mix of RSE and Republic worlds. Seemingly, 3 RSE, 3 Republic, and a whole whack of neutral / empty.
Rows 1 and 2 are a mix of RSE and neutral (signifying a lot of lost territory), row 3 is RSE/Republic/neutral (signifying Republic gains), and row 4 is overwhelmingly Republic. It appears that what's left of RSE territory is a handful of planets spread thinly throughout the galactic north, whereas the Republic is making serious solidification efforts and creating solid blocks of space.
Either way, Rator appears to be netural at best. It's definitely in 'Romulan' territory, but unclear who holds it.
What is your reasoning for it being "neutral at best"? I've given very good reasons why Rator would have being taken (Prime target, easily isolated, significant morale target), and given the concentration of Republic and Federation assets nearby, there are sufficient forces to easily take it. Your entire reasoning seems to be that is was Sela's capital, and that's it. It's like saying that we shouldn't consider Berlin taken, regardless of the Russian army group squating on top of it, simply because it was the capital.
What is your reasoning for it being "neutral at best"? I've given very good reasons why Rator would have being taken (Prime target, easily isolated, significant morale target), and given the concentration of Republic and Federation assets nearby, there are sufficient forces to easily take it. Your entire reasoning seems to be that is was Sela's capital, and that's it. It's like saying that we shouldn't consider Berlin taken, regardless of the Russian army group squating on top of it, simply because it was the capital.
how about that you're precious D'Tan has expressed every desire to not fight the RSE or Tal Shiar unless he has to? :P Rator is not 'has too' type thing and whoever holds it atm would extract a bloody toll to take it(as bloody as they can make it) and if its Tal Shiar they would just as likely pull a scorched earth to spite ya.
how about that you're precious D'Tan has expressed every desire to not fight the RSE or Tal Shiar unless he has to? :P Rator is not 'has too' type thing and whoever holds it atm would extract a bloody toll to take it(as bloody as they can make it) and if its Tal Shiar they would just as likely pull a scorched earth to spite ya.
How about ... I used my feminine wiles on D'Tan and he approved my plan to take Rator?
how about that you're precious D'Tan has expressed every desire to not fight the RSE or Tal Shiar unless he has to? :P Rator is not 'has too' type thing and whoever holds it atm would extract a bloody toll to take it(as bloody as they can make it) and if its Tal Shiar they would just as likely pull a scorched earth to spite ya.
Well, considering that we have Rator, we don't need to know. Just let Hearts and Minds take hold, and then the Soviet Bloc....errr....RSE will crumble.
What is your reasoning for it being "neutral at best"? I've given very good reasons why Rator would have being taken (Prime target, easily isolated, significant morale target), and given the concentration of Republic and Federation assets nearby, there are sufficient forces to easily take it. Your entire reasoning seems to be that is was Sela's capital, and that's it.
I agree with your reasoning entirely. I'd expect that, at some point, that Rator will be acknowledged as a Republic world. I'm just cautious of making claims where Cryptic hasn't explicitly stated something. So far, and according to the existing in-game information, Rator isn't Republic yet.
I'd go as far as thinking that yeah, Rator is probably neutral as the RSE has all but entirely fallen. So there are probably negotiations with the local government with the Republic Senate on becoming a Republic member world. It's just one of many loose ends that Cryptic needs to tie up, and I'd very much hope that it's dealt with once the Iconian War is over.
I'd also like to see some clarification on the split-up of Romulan space on the new sector map is.
Perhaps Cryptic left the situation with Rator ambiguous on the maps and map info in order to reflect an ambiguity in its political situation. In other words, fighting might still be ongoing there. I know some will be likely to object to this on the grounds that the RSE has lost much of its thunder, that it's crumbling, that its territory is dwindling, and all of those grounds are true, but there are other variables to consider.
On the one hand, it's obviously not very likely that the Star Empire could hold out long against a concerted effort from the combined forces of the RRF, the KDF, and Starfleet.
On the other hand, I accused one of the former Pretenders (a former member of the triumvirate of the IRF) at one time of having a bunker mentality, and he subsequently defected to us, but only after his own military (the fleet in question) deposed him and were about to assassinate him. I wonder how much longer he would have held out had that situation not arisen. A bunker mentality is a variable which ought not to be dismissed in consideration of the current status of Rator; I have little doubt that some of the most fanatical will maintain a death-grip on rubble of the RSE in their death-throes. And this is 2410 we're talking about, not 1945; a bunker on Rator would be more like NORAD Cheyenne Mountain Complex (turned up to 11), and less like the complex at Mount Weather or der Fuehrer's mausoleum.
And on the other ... hand ... HOW DID I GET THREE HANDS!? ... we in the Tal'Diann have been aware for something near a year now that the IRF had/has a plan to escape the suicidal fanatics in the RSE and take their people elsewhere. And yes, we know where, too; the former Pretender mentioned above is by no means the only source of information available to us about goings on behind that curtain -- we ARE the Tal'Diann, after all. Point being, it's not unlikely that some hyper-loyalists in the Star Empire might abandon Rator entirely and make their way to elsewhere.
And then again, on ... the ... other hand (!?!?!? :eek: I'm mutating!), in Cryptic's storyline, it's currently 2410, roughly a year and a half after the attack on Virinat. At the beginning of 2409, the RSE was still a power. A seriously wounded power, yes, but a power. A mere year and a half may not suffice to take their capitol planet. 16 April to 8 May 1945 wasn't a vast span of time, but it came at the end of six years of war.
So, in summary, ...
1. It's not very realistic that the RSE could hold out too long against the combined forces of the Allies of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Point: Republic.
2. Digging in and fighting to the last breath from reinforced and shielded (and probably cloaked) shelters underground could result in the conflict being dragged out beyond what point one above suggests. Point: RSE Tyranny.
3. Some of the RSE personnel have seen the writing on the wall and have made plans to escape the madness of their leaders and get far away, liberating the oppressed citizens and rank and file loyalists who are not fanatics to take with them. Point: RSE People.
4. I'm not sure we have had enough time yet to have won a decisive and final battle for Rator. Point: RSE Tyranny.
The conclusion is obvious and foregone. The RSE Tyranny will fall to the Republic and her allies, if the saner elements in the RSE do not first mount a successful coup (and very probably even then, because trust once lost is difficult to regain, and while D'Tan and a few other Surakians in the Republic may be more inclined to forgive and forget, the majority of the Republic's citizens and military are no longer willing to trust the words of anyone wearing Star Empire jerseys), but that may yet take some time.
So, in summary, ...
1. It's not very realistic that the RSE could hold out too long against the combined forces of the Allies of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Point: Republic.
This assumes
1)The "alliance" would get involved in a "strictly Romulan" affair, or "internal power struggles".
-- Sure Cryptics UFP ignores the prime directive 90% of the time but the romulan arc was one of the few times they moaned about it at least.
2)The "alliance" would invade.
-- Even before the Iconian invasion, none of the 3 members of the "alliance" were looking for a shooting war and 2 were recovering from one. Why would they assault Rator at all?
3)D'Twerp would authorize an invasion.
-- D'Twerp doesn't want a shooting war with the RSE, hell he didn't even try to arrest a Tal Shiar agent beaming into his office unauthorized THREE times, why would he launch an invasion that would get hundreds(at least) killed on both sides?
So, in summary, ...
1. It's not very realistic that the RSE could hold out too long against the combined forces of the Allies of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Point: Republic.
This assumes
1)The "alliance" would get involved in a "strictly Romulan" affair, or "internal power struggles".
-- Sure Cryptics UFP ignores the prime directive 90% of the time but the romulan arc was one of the few times they moaned about it at least.
2)The "alliance" would invade.
-- Even before the Iconian invasion, none of the 3 members of the "alliance" were looking for a shooting war and 2 were recovering from one. Why would they assault Rator at all?
3)D'Twerp would authorize an invasion.
-- D'Twerp doesn't want a shooting war with the RSE, hell he didn't even try to arrest a Tal Shiar agent beaming into his office unauthorized THREE times, why would he launch an invasion that would get hundreds(at least) killed on both sides?
just a couple points atm its late
In response to point 1, if the Tal'Shiar weren't going around attacking everyone, you might have grounds for that objection, and I don't trust Sila's claim that the Tal'Shiar and the Imperial Remnant are no longer in bed together, in spite of possibly staged encounters.
In response to point 2, I don't think the Klingon Empire would have any qualms about it; the Feds are not absolutely opposed to going on the offense (especially with Janeway wearing Admiral's pips now), and (see next) ...
In response to point 3, D'Tan is an elected official, and has to answer to the citizens; a few Surakians (and even a somewhat larger group of Reunificationists/Reconciliationists, who, however, may not all share the pacifistic perspective of the Surakians) are not likely to drown out all the others crying for retaliation against a power which, whether it authorized Hakiv's sociopathic stupidity (Fun Fact: Hhakhev is Rihan for "stupidly"; see edit below) or not, must share in the guilt because of a little thing called "failure to discharge command responsibility."
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I'm guessing that "Hakiv" is another example of Cryptic's Mol'Rihan instead of proper Rihan (and I'm fine with a Mol'Rihan language, but whoever is coming up with these things really ought to consult with people who know both Rihan and linguistics, so as to not muck things up; there are a few of us here). However, it has to have that spelling Hakiv, or the pronunciation will have to be changed, and, honestly, "Hakeev" just looks like something foreign, because it makes no sense in Rihan phonologically or morphologically; an adverb in Rihan would not be used for a name. Again, the pronunciation given in-game is spelled "Hakiv," and the accent should be on the first syllable, because Rihan words take the accent on the penult, with only very rare exceptions. A word "Hake'ev" would be pronounced "hah-KEH-ehv" (and looks like an adverb because of the -'ev ending). The word "Hhakh" means "stupid," but there's no suffix -iv, so I'm not at all sure what they were trying to do with that; even "Hhakhiv" would mean nothing in Rihan. Now we at RLCI are going to have to try to make sense of all the Mol'Rihan vocabulary that Cryptic has invented in order to add it to our lexicon with the note "dialectical variation" or "uneducated spelling" or something similar.
Definitely on board with the fact that it hasn't been all that long since the final fall from grace of the RSE. The Republic and RSE aren't at full-out open warfare - it's a slow conflict with minor and major skirmishes alike. So I'd expect that Rator will soon fall out of the old RSE's hands, but how and when is another question that has yet to be full concluded.
Definitely on board with the fact that it hasn't been all that long since the final fall from grace of the RSE. The Republic and RSE aren't at full-out open warfare - it's a slow conflict with minor and major skirmishes alike. So I'd expect that Rator will soon fall out of the old RSE's hands, but how and when is another question that has yet to be full concluded.
Now I agree with that... Rator will change hands... its just too far from tal TRIBBLE-ar or Imperial Remnant borders to not..
@protogoth: I think hakeev got that spelling cause well... he's a skeev
As to the RSE/Tal Shiar being split... Im sure the nincompoop "empress" thinks she's separated from them... no way they dont have operatives crawling all over her domain at all levels tho. So, no, they aren't separate
The KDF would normally join up for killing romulans sure, but they have iconians up their TRIBBLE atm and even invading Qo'nos, plus that whole 'lost 1/4 of the combined fleet on the first day' thing. Prior to that both KDF and Fedrats were focused on preparing and recovering not to mention fighting the Vaadwaur. Only a fool fights on more than one front, and only the heir to the kingdom of idiots fights a war on twelve. (sorry londo mollari I know I butchered that) Even Janeway would be more interested in leaving the incompetent half-breed and her mind numb lackeys contained and alone than picking a fight that wasn't necessary.
As chipg7 said, it WILL fall at some point, but I seriously doubt it has already or that an assault was launched to get it. Not needed, not wanted, not warranted atm.
Definitely on board with the fact that it hasn't been all that long since the final fall from grace of the RSE. The Republic and RSE aren't at full-out open warfare - it's a slow conflict with minor and major skirmishes alike. So I'd expect that Rator will soon fall out of the old RSE's hands, but how and when is another question that has yet to be full concluded.
Now I agree with that... Rator will change hands... its just too far from tal TRIBBLE-ar or Imperial Remnant borders to not..
@protogoth: I think hakeev got that spelling cause well... he's a skeev
As to the RSE/Tal Shiar being split... Im sure the nincompoop "empress" thinks she's separated from them... no way they dont have operatives crawling all over her domain at all levels tho. So, no, they aren't separate
The KDF would normally join up for killing romulans sure, but they have iconians up their TRIBBLE atm and even invading Qo'nos, plus that whole 'lost 1/4 of the combined fleet on the first day' thing. Prior to that both KDF and Fedrats were focused on preparing and recovering not to mention fighting the Vaadwaur. Only a fool fights on more than one front, and only the heir to the kingdom of idiots fights a war on twelve. (sorry londo mollari I know I butchered that) Even Janeway would be more interested in leaving the incompetent half-breed and her mind numb lackeys contained and alone than picking a fight that wasn't necessary.
As chipg7 said, it WILL fall at some point, but I seriously doubt it has already or that an assault was launched to get it. Not needed, not wanted, not warranted atm.
"Only a fool fights on more than one front." See the Tal'Shiar/RSE attacks on every major power in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants and the young Republic, which has since joined the others at the table of "major power dinner."
"Not needed, not wanted, not warranted atm."
Have you no compassion for the enslaved masses toiling under the yoke of the RSE, cringing from the very sight of the Tal'Shiar?
"Only a fool fights on more than one front." See the Tal'Shiar/RSE attacks on every major power in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants and the young Republic, which has since joined the others at the table of "major power dinner."
"Not needed, not wanted, not warranted atm."
Have you no compassion for the enslaved masses toiling under the yoke of the RSE, cringing from the very sight of the Tal'Shiar?
I think we've established that the current Imperial Remnants and Tal Sh!tar pretty much define "Kingdom of Idiots"
the needs of the many and all that jazz. Too many lives would be lost in an invasion and the crazies on Rator would just as likely start a scorched earth campaign just to ruin any success. Thus those innocents and enslaved masses would be dead because of the Republic and any allies that aid them. Even a 1/4 wit P.R. man could spin the hell out of that. There's no need to push them that hard, they're screwed and eventually it will become a Republic territory on its own by need. Besides that will give all the Imperial Loyalists and Tal Sh!tar lackeys the ability to infiltrate the Republic and insert themselves into the highest levels of government and military with ease. After all any competent farmer can be a Fleet Admiral in less than a year.
I think we've established that the current Imperial Remnants and Tal Sh!tar pretty much define "Kingdom of Idiots"
the needs of the many and all that jazz. Too many lives would be lost in an invasion and the crazies on Rator would just as likely start a scorched earth campaign just to ruin any success. Thus those innocents and enslaved masses would be dead because of the Republic and any allies that aid them. Even a 1/4 wit P.R. man could spin the hell out of that. There's no need to push them that hard, they're screwed and eventually it will become a Republic territory on its own by need. Besides that will give all the Imperial Loyalists and Tal Sh!tar lackeys the ability to infiltrate the Republic and insert themselves into the highest levels of government and military with ease. After all any competent farmer can be a Fleet Admiral in less than a year.
Now, now. Let's be fair here. A year and a half is the official word on the length of time from the day you wake up on Virinat to go out and flirt with Tovan to the time at which you're supposed to be a Fleet Admiral. Oh, wait. Okay, the day I woke up to go out and flirt with Tovan. I suppose you just had some ale with him or something.
Hey, don't hate me. The Maiori and D'vex were too old to flirt with.
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((Getting a bit tired of the repeated affronts to New Romulus and Qo'noS.
ESD was fairly gutted by the Undine. The FedBrats got a new ESD. The same Undine hit the Qo'noS Orbital Shipyard as well. KDF still has the same old Orbital Shipyard. The Iconians hit Starbase 234 (which is located in an offensive manner in the midst of Republic space). Starbase 234 is still there, threatening the security of the Republic should the alliance not survive. Heralds landed on New Romulus and were repulsed, only for most of those RRF personnel involved in the battle to be obliterated by an Iconian. The Heralds and Harbinger seem to have destroyed the gate on New Romulus. The ground is still scorched from the battle. Heralds attacked the Qo'noS system and were repelled. Heralds attacked First City and were repelled, but not before doing significant damage. An Iconian challenged to honorable combat was felled, but then teleported behind the mighty Kahless (clone or no) and dishonorably stabbed him in the back like a coward. The Sword of Kahless was left behind in an Iconian base. Now the Borg are going to attack New Romulus.
We have yet no orbital defenses in the New Romulus system. We still cannot go inside the Capitol City. We continue to have no Security Officer at New Romulus Command, no nightclub anywhere on New Romulus, no academy on New Romulus, no interior for the Dreadbirds, and only one bridge for standard warbirds.
KDF personnel still have improperly functioning doors, still have an abyssmal layout for facilities in First City, have now been told they will get no new Science vessels, are treated like the red-headed stepchild of the game.
But the FedBrats got their shiny new ESD, and then a new club on ESD. And to add insult to injury, they got six T6 ships for the Delta Rising release, whereas the RRF and KDF got two each, a situation which should have been rectified long since, but has yet to even be acknowledged as inappropriate behavior from the company. And they wonder why the RRF and KDF have fewer players and are not as profitable as the UFP, yet they continue to do things which only reinforce that situation.))
I say of the Bhorgsu: bring them on. We still have that mutagenic virus we used to defeat the Haakonans. Janeway didn't go far enough, and she is villified by her own people for going as far as she did, because the Federation seems incapable of understanding the need to remove the threat once and for all. Let's show the Feds how it's done.
And then we'll need to turn our attention to a city on Terrha from which all these attacks have been being directed somehow. We have yet to determine if the source be Section 31 or some clandestine Undine or Iconian base, but the evidence is compelling that something nefarious is going on there, which threatens New Romulus and Qo'noS. Some of the evidence points to the Feh'rengsu. Time we paid a visit and got to the bottom of this. Perhaps the red tents on Risa are connected in some way, which may also involve the Feh'rengsu, who have a warship parked in the waters of the Federation's "pleasure planet."
Maybe ... maybe the Feh'rengsu are behind the entire reawakening of the Ikonnsu, a scheme to be war profiteers, encouraging Hakiv's insanity, selling arms to both sides, and fanning the flames of the Romulan civil war. If this be so, then the Feh'rengsu are the true enemy, and will have to be dealt with in proper Romulan fashion. A few destabilized plasma torpedoes should do the trick.
Thanks! Dunno how I missed that! Maybe the guy who made this chart can weigh in someday.
Protogoth for one thing, they need to remove those tents from New Romulus, put some trigger where when you hit lvl 60 the map changes....the place can't remain a frontier and at the same time be developing brand new starships. Not that I think the Republic can become so powerful in the span of a year, but as it stands, at least make it all consistent.
The adventure zone on New Romulus is perpetually stuck in the past (although you can now see some traces of the Iconian attack out in the Hwael Ruins area, so the external view of the Capitol should have been updated as well, so show less construction and more complete edifices). I do not wish to see this changed; some players may not begin to work seriously on Rep until they hit level 60, particularly DeltAlts created during the recent Delta Recruitment promotion, so the adventure zone needs to remain largely as is for the purpose of earning Romulan Marks and other goodies connected to our new Hearthworld, such as pet Nanovir and pet Epohhir (although, for the record, "epohh" is Rihan for "pet," ...).
That said, at this date, no reason exists for continuing to bar RRF personnel from the interior of what must now be a more complete/finished Capitol City, wherein ought to be found many of the things we have noticed as lacking in our faction, and requested repeatedly. And lest the FedBrats wander in here and start pissing on our legitimate complaints and requests again, with some irrelevant distraction about how the Federation "only" (*chokes on the irony*) gets ESD and Starfleet Academy, and the Romulans already have the Flotilla and New Romulus Command, -- I will point out that the Klingons have First City, Klingon Academy, and the Qo'noS Orbital Shipyard, --- and the Federation has multiple starbases across their territory in the Beta Quadrant (such as the lair of the arrogant and illogical racist T'Nae), whereas Klingons have only Ganalda Station, and Romulans have nothing of the sort. Apart from the storyline mission and the PvE queue, we don't get to visit The Vault (and in neither of those situations is it allowed to serve as a ground social map). Apart from the occasional PvE queue for the Mirror Incursion, we don't get to visit Vauthil Station, and cannot actually enter it. So our having three social zones would still leave us behind the Feds and the Klinks.
Ahahaha! I have a psychic connection to the Devs! Behold: the evidence!
You mean something like this?
I think I'd prefer a Special Project that allows us to alter the cosmetics of the starbase to reflect Romulan design. I love Romulans, but not enough to start Fleet Progression over from scratch.
I agree. We should not be penalized for Cryptic's failure to implement three distinct factions. Heck, if ********* (edit: Uh, a certain browser-based fantasy-genre MMO which many of us have played earlier in our online gaming experience) could do it over a decade ago, it ought not to be too challenging for Cryptic to do today.
Ah, sorry. I should have been clearer - I did mean for any new Fleets created. New players coming into the game.
But the Special Projects 'upgrade' for existing fleets would be a superb idea, and one I would absolutely support.
Exactly that
Or I could just make one up that's not on the map.
I've been there. It's definitely the Republic green. Especially when, like I said, you have Republic colonies like Rhi further north. A basic principle of warfare, like concentration of force and such, is to never leave a large enemy concentration in your rear. It invites disaster when they decide to he!p their buddies on the other side of your lines give you a bear hug. Like I've said before, there is enough circumstantial evidence, as well as so much strategic imperative, that I can't imagine a scenario in which the Republic would not take Rator. Especially giving Cryptic's clear intent to show them one their last legs.
Chulan is definitely a Republic world - RhIhho Station is in orbit.
Rator's right on the edge of the Neutral Zone, and with the hard-line having been removed from the map, yeah it's ends of with some shades of blue approaching it.
I really wish we could get a clear answer on this at some point...
Either way, Rator appears to be netural at best. It's definitely in 'Romulan' territory, but unclear who holds it. That 3rd horizontal line (Rator / Unroth / Gasko / Iconia Sectors) contains a mix of RSE and Republic worlds. Seemingly, 3 RSE, 3 Republic, and a whole whack of neutral / empty.
Rows 1 and 2 are a mix of RSE and neutral (signifying a lot of lost territory), row 3 is RSE/Republic/neutral (signifying Republic gains), and row 4 is overwhelmingly Republic. It appears that what's left of RSE territory is a handful of planets spread thinly throughout the galactic north, whereas the Republic is making serious solidification efforts and creating solid blocks of space.
What is your reasoning for it being "neutral at best"? I've given very good reasons why Rator would have being taken (Prime target, easily isolated, significant morale target), and given the concentration of Republic and Federation assets nearby, there are sufficient forces to easily take it. Your entire reasoning seems to be that is was Sela's capital, and that's it. It's like saying that we shouldn't consider Berlin taken, regardless of the Russian army group squating on top of it, simply because it was the capital.
how about that you're precious D'Tan has expressed every desire to not fight the RSE or Tal Shiar unless he has to? :P Rator is not 'has too' type thing and whoever holds it atm would extract a bloody toll to take it(as bloody as they can make it) and if its Tal Shiar they would just as likely pull a scorched earth to spite ya.
How about ... I used my feminine wiles on D'Tan and he approved my plan to take Rator?
Well, considering that we have Rator, we don't need to know. Just let Hearts and Minds take hold, and then the Soviet Bloc....errr....RSE will crumble.
Im not entirely sure he knows what girls are :P
I agree with your reasoning entirely. I'd expect that, at some point, that Rator will be acknowledged as a Republic world. I'm just cautious of making claims where Cryptic hasn't explicitly stated something. So far, and according to the existing in-game information, Rator isn't Republic yet.
I'd go as far as thinking that yeah, Rator is probably neutral as the RSE has all but entirely fallen. So there are probably negotiations with the local government with the Republic Senate on becoming a Republic member world. It's just one of many loose ends that Cryptic needs to tie up, and I'd very much hope that it's dealt with once the Iconian War is over.
I'd also like to see some clarification on the split-up of Romulan space on the new sector map is.
On the one hand, it's obviously not very likely that the Star Empire could hold out long against a concerted effort from the combined forces of the RRF, the KDF, and Starfleet.
On the other hand, I accused one of the former Pretenders (a former member of the triumvirate of the IRF) at one time of having a bunker mentality, and he subsequently defected to us, but only after his own military (the fleet in question) deposed him and were about to assassinate him. I wonder how much longer he would have held out had that situation not arisen. A bunker mentality is a variable which ought not to be dismissed in consideration of the current status of Rator; I have little doubt that some of the most fanatical will maintain a death-grip on rubble of the RSE in their death-throes. And this is 2410 we're talking about, not 1945; a bunker on Rator would be more like NORAD Cheyenne Mountain Complex (turned up to 11), and less like the complex at Mount Weather or der Fuehrer's mausoleum.
And on the other ... hand ... HOW DID I GET THREE HANDS!? ... we in the Tal'Diann have been aware for something near a year now that the IRF had/has a plan to escape the suicidal fanatics in the RSE and take their people elsewhere. And yes, we know where, too; the former Pretender mentioned above is by no means the only source of information available to us about goings on behind that curtain -- we ARE the Tal'Diann, after all. Point being, it's not unlikely that some hyper-loyalists in the Star Empire might abandon Rator entirely and make their way to elsewhere.
And then again, on ... the ... other hand (!?!?!? :eek: I'm mutating!), in Cryptic's storyline, it's currently 2410, roughly a year and a half after the attack on Virinat. At the beginning of 2409, the RSE was still a power. A seriously wounded power, yes, but a power. A mere year and a half may not suffice to take their capitol planet. 16 April to 8 May 1945 wasn't a vast span of time, but it came at the end of six years of war.
So, in summary, ...
1. It's not very realistic that the RSE could hold out too long against the combined forces of the Allies of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Point: Republic.
2. Digging in and fighting to the last breath from reinforced and shielded (and probably cloaked) shelters underground could result in the conflict being dragged out beyond what point one above suggests. Point: RSE Tyranny.
3. Some of the RSE personnel have seen the writing on the wall and have made plans to escape the madness of their leaders and get far away, liberating the oppressed citizens and rank and file loyalists who are not fanatics to take with them. Point: RSE People.
4. I'm not sure we have had enough time yet to have won a decisive and final battle for Rator. Point: RSE Tyranny.
The conclusion is obvious and foregone. The RSE Tyranny will fall to the Republic and her allies, if the saner elements in the RSE do not first mount a successful coup (and very probably even then, because trust once lost is difficult to regain, and while D'Tan and a few other Surakians in the Republic may be more inclined to forgive and forget, the majority of the Republic's citizens and military are no longer willing to trust the words of anyone wearing Star Empire jerseys), but that may yet take some time.
This assumes
just a couple points atm its late
In response to point 1, if the Tal'Shiar weren't going around attacking everyone, you might have grounds for that objection, and I don't trust Sila's claim that the Tal'Shiar and the Imperial Remnant are no longer in bed together, in spite of possibly staged encounters.
In response to point 2, I don't think the Klingon Empire would have any qualms about it; the Feds are not absolutely opposed to going on the offense (especially with Janeway wearing Admiral's pips now), and (see next) ...
In response to point 3, D'Tan is an elected official, and has to answer to the citizens; a few Surakians (and even a somewhat larger group of Reunificationists/Reconciliationists, who, however, may not all share the pacifistic perspective of the Surakians) are not likely to drown out all the others crying for retaliation against a power which, whether it authorized Hakiv's sociopathic stupidity (Fun Fact: Hhakhev is Rihan for "stupidly"; see edit below) or not, must share in the guilt because of a little thing called "failure to discharge command responsibility."
Edit:
I'm guessing that "Hakiv" is another example of Cryptic's Mol'Rihan instead of proper Rihan (and I'm fine with a Mol'Rihan language, but whoever is coming up with these things really ought to consult with people who know both Rihan and linguistics, so as to not muck things up; there are a few of us here). However, it has to have that spelling Hakiv, or the pronunciation will have to be changed, and, honestly, "Hakeev" just looks like something foreign, because it makes no sense in Rihan phonologically or morphologically; an adverb in Rihan would not be used for a name. Again, the pronunciation given in-game is spelled "Hakiv," and the accent should be on the first syllable, because Rihan words take the accent on the penult, with only very rare exceptions. A word "Hake'ev" would be pronounced "hah-KEH-ehv" (and looks like an adverb because of the -'ev ending). The word "Hhakh" means "stupid," but there's no suffix -iv, so I'm not at all sure what they were trying to do with that; even "Hhakhiv" would mean nothing in Rihan. Now we at RLCI are going to have to try to make sense of all the Mol'Rihan vocabulary that Cryptic has invented in order to add it to our lexicon with the note "dialectical variation" or "uneducated spelling" or something similar.
@protogoth: I think hakeev got that spelling cause well... he's a skeev
As to the RSE/Tal Shiar being split... Im sure the nincompoop "empress" thinks she's separated from them... no way they dont have operatives crawling all over her domain at all levels tho. So, no, they aren't separate
The KDF would normally join up for killing romulans sure, but they have iconians up their TRIBBLE atm and even invading Qo'nos, plus that whole 'lost 1/4 of the combined fleet on the first day' thing. Prior to that both KDF and Fedrats were focused on preparing and recovering not to mention fighting the Vaadwaur. Only a fool fights on more than one front, and only the heir to the kingdom of idiots fights a war on twelve. (sorry londo mollari I know I butchered that) Even Janeway would be more interested in leaving the incompetent half-breed and her mind numb lackeys contained and alone than picking a fight that wasn't necessary.
As chipg7 said, it WILL fall at some point, but I seriously doubt it has already or that an assault was launched to get it. Not needed, not wanted, not warranted atm.
"Only a fool fights on more than one front." See the Tal'Shiar/RSE attacks on every major power in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants and the young Republic, which has since joined the others at the table of "major power dinner."
"Not needed, not wanted, not warranted atm."
Have you no compassion for the enslaved masses toiling under the yoke of the RSE, cringing from the very sight of the Tal'Shiar?
I think we've established that the current Imperial Remnants and Tal Sh!tar pretty much define "Kingdom of Idiots"
the needs of the many and all that jazz. Too many lives would be lost in an invasion and the crazies on Rator would just as likely start a scorched earth campaign just to ruin any success. Thus those innocents and enslaved masses would be dead because of the Republic and any allies that aid them. Even a 1/4 wit P.R. man could spin the hell out of that. There's no need to push them that hard, they're screwed and eventually it will become a Republic territory on its own by need. Besides that will give all the Imperial Loyalists and Tal Sh!tar lackeys the ability to infiltrate the Republic and insert themselves into the highest levels of government and military with ease. After all any competent farmer can be a Fleet Admiral in less than a year.
Now, now. Let's be fair here. A year and a half is the official word on the length of time from the day you wake up on Virinat to go out and flirt with Tovan to the time at which you're supposed to be a Fleet Admiral. Oh, wait. Okay, the day I woke up to go out and flirt with Tovan. I suppose you just had some ale with him or something.
Hey, don't hate me. The Maiori and D'vex were too old to flirt with.