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A ship for 10-15 mil?

ponquponqu Member Posts: 50 Arc User
edited May 2015 in The Academy
What would be the best ship to buy and fit for starters as a lvl50 tac captain? Something with good firepower, preferably an escort or heavy dmg cruiser.
I figured something from lockboxes + an upgrade to T5-U would be best option, but which one?
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,426 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Are you a completely new player who has not yet been in a ship give away or has not participated in any events?

    If so then go to the exchange, to the reward section and search for a mirror patrol escort.
    It's the best buy for any new player. Replay episodes to get either solonae or kobali space sets.

    With AP beam arrays from mission replay this ship should keep you alive and kicking until you have gathered enough dilithium or EC for ships from the C-store or exchange.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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    lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Not exactly what you're asking for, but Kazon Heavy Raiders are very cheap and a lot of fun for what they cost. They're about 1 million on the exchange and as far as I'm concerned they'd be a steal at ten times the price.
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,426 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    lopequil wrote: »
    Not exactly what you're asking for, but Kazon Heavy Raiders are very cheap and a lot of fun for what they cost. They're about 1 million on the exchange and as far as I'm concerned they'd be a steal at ten times the price.

    The drawback is that you need an upgrade token to get it to T5-U which is 500 zen (or roughly 80000 dilithium at current prices).
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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    lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    The drawback is that you need an upgrade token to get it to T5-U which is 500 zen (or roughly 80000 dilithium at current prices).
    I was under the impression you could get those on exchange also. My thinking was that you could try the ship for comparitively little before deciding on whether you like it enough to buy a token. Either way, it's a cheap ship and the officer layout is quite favourable for tactical officers, and the lt. commander universal is also handy if (like me) you want to throw in one with GW1.

    I tend not to do PvP so DPS is less of a concern to me than just having fun flying around shooting stuff; with the Undine set (and optionally the fluidic rift console) the Kazon raider ticks a lot of boxes in that regard.
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    p4hajujup4hajuju Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Wait for the Summer event and it's "grind" ship before getting anything else.
    After that you'll understand more of the game and maybe understand how you play and what ship goes well with your style of play.
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,426 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    lopequil wrote: »
    I was under the impression you could get those on exchange also. My thinking was that you could try the ship for comparitively little before deciding on whether you like it enough to buy a token. Either way, it's a cheap ship and the officer layout is quite favourable for tactical officers, and the lt. commander universal is also handy if (like me) you want to throw in one with GW1.

    I tend not to do PvP so DPS is less of a concern to me than just having fun flying around shooting stuff; with the Undine set (and optionally the fluidic rift console) the Kazon raider ticks a lot of boxes in that regard.

    You can get them from the exchange, but they're anything but cheap. If you want to spend that much cash you may as well go for a C-store or Lobi ship.

    Something like the adapted destroyer or battle cruiser. Both cost more EC, but they have a free upgrade to T5-U.

    The mirror patrol escort is a good basic ship which will allow the OP to play and save funds for when he has decided which "big" purchase he wants to make.

    All of this is assuming that the OP is fed and not rom or KDF.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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    thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot
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    edited May 2015
    MU Patrol Escort is a lot of bang for the buck. Especially when you make it an AP Beamscort such as questerius suggested. I bought one off the Exchange way back when I really knew little about this game and had a good time flying it.

    Works okay with an all Dominon Space Set and Dominon weapons, too.
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    eristhevortaeristhevorta Member Posts: 1,049 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Blue MK XII weaponry, equipment and consoles are not too bad and cost almeowst nothing. The rest of the munny can be invested in a T-5U upgrade token and you'll get a very reasonable ship just for playing a bit now and then. 10K DPS potential surely given if you're a tactical captain.

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    ryakidrysryakidrys Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    ponqu wrote: »
    What would be the best ship to buy and fit for starters as a lvl50 tac captain? Something with good firepower, preferably an escort or heavy dmg cruiser.
    I figured something from lockboxes + an upgrade to T5-U would be best option, but which one?

    What ship do you have now? It's possible you could tweak it and use it until the summer event comes and grind your way to a new ship that could be useful. Head over to the STO academy, use the skill planner to create a virtual copy of your current ship and it's setup, link the build in this forum thread so the community could help you tweak what you have to use until you find what you are looking for in an upgrade.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    eristhevorta wrote: »
    Blue MK XII weaponry, equipment and consoles are not too bad and cost almeowst nothing. The rest of the munny can be invested in a T-5U upgrade token and you'll get a very reasonable ship just for playing a bit now and then. 10K DPS potential surely given if you're a tactical captain.

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    10k dps are a given when you use an all forward energy build with BFAW and CSV (for the turrets back). I was surprised to find that out, but it's really all there is to it, even regardless of player class (tac of course helps but engineer's power management deals roughly the same sustained damage and scis sensor analysis helps as well). DBBs Mk XII fore, turrets aft XII, mk XII damage type consoles and CSV1/BFAW3 fire away, maybe add a AoE torp to the mix. Rarity of items is absolutely meaningless for this to work, from that point on you can improve the build and once you have a good shield/engine/deflector combo you can be bold and slowly try to move outside of bFAW :D
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    jerichoredoranjerichoredoran Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    You can get them from the exchange, but they're anything but cheap. If you want to spend that much cash you may as well go for a C-store or Lobi ship.

    Something like the adapted destroyer or battle cruiser. Both cost more EC, but they have a free upgrade to T5-U.

    The mirror patrol escort is a good basic ship which will allow the OP to play and save funds for when he has decided which "big" purchase he wants to make.

    All of this is assuming that the OP is fed and not rom or KDF.

    That doesnt make much sense. The mirror patrol escort isnt cheaper than the kazon and by far inferior. You're argumenting with the T5U which the mirror ship cant even receive and the kazon is useable without it too...

    I fully support lopequil in this point. The kazon heavy raider is a great starting point. It is even faster and more maneuverable than most FED escorts, saves on one or two often pretty useless tac seats and provides them as 3 universal Boff stations, giving you greater flexibility than any? other FED ship.
    The upgrade can be applied later if you like it or saved up for something else.
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    amezukiamezuki Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    You can get them from the exchange, but they're anything but cheap. If you want to spend that much cash you may as well go for a C-store or Lobi ship.
    You're kidding, right? Most of the Mirror vessels I see going for anywhere from 200k to a million EC.

    That seems like a lot to a new player, but it's really pocket change. At level 50+ you can make that in 15 minutes running Tour, and even without QSS you can still follow the route and clear half that. Hell, even a freshly-promoted Lieutenant Commander who's still rocking a Miranda can start the mission in a densely-populated area and immediately earn a few hundred thousand (25k per waypoint).
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,426 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    amezuki wrote: »
    You're kidding, right? Most of the Mirror vessels I see going for anywhere from 200k to a million EC.

    That seems like a lot to a new player, but it's really pocket change. At level 50+ you can make that in 15 minutes running Tour, and even without QSS you can still follow the route and clear half that. Hell, even a freshly-promoted Lieutenant Commander who's still rocking a Miranda can start the mission in a densely-populated area and immediately earn a few hundred thousand (25k per waypoint).

    We were talking about upgrade tokens on the exchange and those are anything but cheap.
    The mirror ships generally go in the best buy category.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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    breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    We were talking about upgrade tokens on the exchange and those are anything but cheap.
    The mirror ships generally go in the best buy category.

    Per the OP, 10-15 mil for a ship. That pretty much adds up to a non-Mirror "Blue Box" ship and a Ship Upgrade Requisition... or just a Ship Upgrade Requisition for a T5 C-Store ship the OP already has, if any...

    ...they really need to get on making Mirror ships Upgradable like the post-DR "Blue Box" ships. There were some pretty cool Mirror ships until they became obsolete thanks to DR.
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    norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    If you can get a kazon raider, it is better than the mirror ships and better still if you can afford a t5U upgrade to it. With flanking, it can put out very high dps, and even without flanks it does better than most. It has a flexible officer seating.

    Ask around also. Your fleet, if you have one ... someone might have something poked away they will sell cheap or gift to a new player... Ive given away a good dozen of the mirror ships, don't have any left but they are out there, just sitting in banks taking up space...

    I would say to farm dil and earn yourself ONE good zen-ship as you are able to do so. It takes months .... but its totally doable, I have earned 2 since DR hit.
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    reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Of course, now that a certain group has leaked the stats of the Nandi (basically a T6 upgrade of the Chel Grett destroyer), could just wait a few weeks for that and continue using a freebie ship in the mean time.
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    gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Of course, now that a certain group has leaked the stats of the Nandi (basically a T6 upgrade of the Chel Grett destroyer), could just wait a few weeks for that and continue using a freebie ship in the mean time.

    This is excellent advice, the nandi does appear to be a very solid destroyer.
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    breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Of course, now that a certain group has leaked the stats of the Nandi (basically a T6 upgrade of the Chel Grett destroyer), could just wait a few weeks for that and continue using a freebie ship in the mean time.

    Was it even a certain group and not just folks looking on Tribble?

    But yeah... the Nandi's stats don't look incredible for any one thing, but it does look like you could do a lot of different things reasonably well with it. For an entry-level T6, it'll do nicely, and it's well within the budget set by the OP. :)
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    meimeitoo wrote: »
    I do not like Geko ether.
    iconians wrote: »
    With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.​​
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    kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The trait looks usable too.
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    reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    kozar2 wrote: »
    The trait looks usable too.

    It seems like an odd trait if you ask me. Best on proper drain builds that use those powers constantly, but those kinds of ships usually have plenty of energy to spare anyways and don't really need more energy boost. Maybe a shield stripper with heavy use of Tachyon Beam?
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,426 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    breadandcircuses wrote: »
    Was it even a certain group and not just folks looking on Tribble?

    But yeah... the Nandi's stats don't look incredible for any one thing, but it does look like you could do a lot of different things reasonably well with it. For an entry-level T6, it'll do nicely, and it's well within the budget set by the OP. :)

    It's not on tribble so put two and two together.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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    thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I purchased a Raider when they were released and yes I had to pay for a token. I JUST purchased one as of this post and I was given a FREE upgrade to T5-U.

    So, for 1.5 million, it's certainly worth it. Or if you for some reason want a cruiser, the APU.

    Peace.
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    thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    westmetals wrote: »
    That would be because the upgrades are an account unlock per ship-type. In other words, using the upgrade on your first Kazon Raider is what made the upgrade free on the second Kazon Raider - not a change to the ship or the game.

    Thank you!

    Totally unfair. If you want you can log on my account and buy one! :D

    EDIT: Really thats too bad. I didn't even realize unlocks for for these ships worked this way as well. I was really hoping they had an attack of common sense and just went back and made it free.

    I take back the good things I said about the cost of the ship. But the seating and the ship are still very good.
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    breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    It's not on tribble so put two and two together.

    Ship isn't, stats are. Check the Account Reward Claim and right-click the boxes for stats on the various ships.

    There are also a ton of very nice fixes in the most recent Tribble Patch Notes... it's well worth checking out. :)
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    meimeitoo wrote: »
    I do not like Geko ether.
    iconians wrote: »
    With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.​​
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