Getting 'dodge' instead of 'miss' in space

firekeeperhu

So, the title pretty much says it all, I get 'dodge'-os on my eclipse with a fed engineer, instead of 'miss'-es. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a text-only problem, as reciprocity isn't proccing either, I guess because it's miss-based.

Edit: looks like it only occurs when the ship isn't moving. Still, I guess this isn't intended.

khamseenair

I'm getting dodge showing up during fights in my Pilot escort too. Even when moving. Miss still seems more prevalent, but dodge is slipping in there too and I can confirm that dodge does not trigger reciprocity.

I'm wondering if it's one of the traits/powers which got adjusted in the patch this week and somebody has changed it to dodge instead of miss.

borticuscryptic

The only source of "Dodge" I know of is the Engineering R&D Trait. Do you have that slotted?

Under the hood, it "reduces all incoming damage by 20%" by giving you a 100% chance to Dodge 20% of incoming damage -- a stat not used in Space, as it behaves differently than Accuracy/Defense.

gulberat

Having points in the Intel spec, and having it active, doesn't also grant "Dodge"?

(I am at work and can't be in game to confirm or deny that right now.)

lordhavelock

I've seen those Dodges, too. My main (Tac) flying in his Presidio Command Ship getting Dodges, too. I've started playing more Crystalline Entity when I realized I needed some Nukara Marks, and often I fly above the CE, park, and FaW away. While stationary I notice a line of Dodges flowing above my head. Never noticed that before recently (over the last week or two).

I don't recall having slotted "Give Your All" (the crafting Engineering trait).

I'll double-check when I get home and into the game. I'll post back here.

Edit:
I got home and checked, it turns out that I do have the Give Your All trait active on my Main.

So that explains my "Dodges".

firekeeperhu

borticuscryptic wrote: »

The only source of "Dodge" I know of is the Engineering R&D Trait. Do you have that slotted?

Under the hood, it "reduces all incoming damage by 20%" by giving you a 100% chance to Dodge 20% of incoming damage -- a stat not used in Space, as it behaves differently than Accuracy/Defense.

I have it unlocked, but not slotted, so, AFAIK it's not active. Also, I only get 'dodge' when the ship isn't moving.

I'll go check another toon.

jarvisandalfred

gulberat wrote: »

Having points in the Intel spec, and having it active, doesn't also grant "Dodge"?

(I am at work and can't be in game to confirm or deny that right now.)

No, it grants defense, last I checked.

borticuscryptic wrote: »

The only source of "Dodge" I know of is the Engineering R&D Trait. Do you have that slotted?

Under the hood, it "reduces all incoming damage by 20%" by giving you a 100% chance to Dodge 20% of incoming damage -- a stat not used in Space, as it behaves differently than Accuracy/Defense.

So the Engi RnD 15 trait gives space dodge?

lordhavelock

jarvisandalfred wrote: »

...So the Engi RnD 15 trait gives space dodge?

Trait: Give Your All
Activating any Engineering Bridge Officer ability gives 20% damage reduction to incoming damage for 3 seconds.
Unlocks at School Level 15

Source:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=18024791

The original release notes don't actually say it gives dodge, but yeah, based on Bort's response it does.

jackal1701apw

Am I the only one that thinks this is a little stupid?

Like how in the name of all things holy can a starship with a mass of at least several hundred thousand tonnes dodge light-speed/near light speed incoming enemy fire?

I can understand misses (defense vs accuracy) but a 'Dodge' is something quite different, t implies that you anticipated something incoming and changed your direction of travel to avoid it.


Give it your all should not do this. Perhaps it should be reworked just to give a bonus to all Damage Resistance instead. (I understand that this would mean it wouldnt necessarily provide the 20% reduction as advertised as it will depend on base resistances, other buffs/debuffs active at the time etc - but it would sit more naturally with me...)

firekeeperhu

Same location, different char (fed tac in JHAS), stationary, getting only 'miss'-es. Although it doesn't have the eng trait unlocked.

khamseenair

borticuscryptic wrote: »

The only source of "Dodge" I know of is the Engineering R&D Trait. Do you have that slotted?

Under the hood, it "reduces all incoming damage by 20%" by giving you a 100% chance to Dodge 20% of incoming damage -- a stat not used in Space, as it behaves differently than Accuracy/Defense.

I can confirm that I do have that trait slotted on the affected character.

thissler

borticuscryptic wrote: »

The only source of "Dodge" I know of is the Engineering R&D Trait. Do you have that slotted?

Under the hood, it "reduces all incoming damage by 20%" by giving you a 100% chance to Dodge 20% of incoming damage -- a stat not used in Space, as it behaves differently than Accuracy/Defense.

For those that missed it.

Bort says..."Shouldn't be!"


EDIT: So...maybe could be a bug. Like, not intended. A boo boo. As opposed to "stupid design".

shadowwraith77

jackal1701apw wrote: »

Am I the only one that thinks this is a little stupid?

Like how in the name of all things holy can a starship with a mass of at least several hundred thousand tonnes dodge light-speed/near light speed incoming enemy fire?

I can understand misses (defense vs accuracy) but a 'Dodge' is something quite different, t implies that you anticipated something incoming and changed your direction of travel to avoid it.


Give it your all should not do this. Perhaps it should be reworked just to give a bonus to all Damage Resistance instead. (I understand that this would mean it wouldnt necessarily provide the 20% reduction as advertised as it will depend on base resistances, other buffs/debuffs active at the time etc - but it would sit more naturally with me...)

Aren't the two by definition, one in the same?

To actively avoid anything can by definition, be called a miss/dodge/evade/avoid/maneuver!

Also, what do you think defense is classified as?

It's not like ships firing at each other, are doing so thru the scope of a rifle.

lordhavelock

I got home and checked, I do have the Give Your All trait active on my Main.

So that explains my "Dodges".