4) FACT IS THAT NOT A GROUP LARGE ENOUGH OF PLAYERS SUFFER FROM IT OR CRYPTIC WOULD HAVE PULLED THE PLUG AKA TAKE DOWN THE SERVERS ON THE GAME TO GET THE PROBLEM FIXED,THIS LEADS TO POINTS 5.
Please let's not turn this into an US Vs. THEM mentality, no matter who the THEM is.
The fact is, there is a problem, it has been acknowledged, and I can tell you that it's one of Trendy's high priorities to see that it gets addressed because she's said as much and because she continues to engage people who are involved.
The number of people affected isn't that important. What's important is that people are being affected by a systemic problem within the game and where it's something that the Devs can actually do something about it, they're working on it.
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Show me the newspaper headlines,CNN and BBC news stating that the whole playerbase (what you guys want us to believe) cant play the game...do it and ill shut up and never post again.
Seriously? You really think CNN and the BBC would ever publish an article about a game experiencing lag? We could have a billion players each and every one complaining and it wouldn't hit national news, it's not the type of news they report. That is the single most stupid statement I have ever seen you post.
As to the rest of what you have said, cryptic wouldn't shut down the servers to fix lag (apart from short maintenances etc which they do already do) it would be financially disasterous to do so, and although I agree the lag isn't as wide spread as some say it is, it is very prevelant amongst a very large portion of the community, this has been confirmed by PWE/Cryptic themselves multiple times.
Show me the newspaper headlines,CNN and BBC news stating that the whole playerbase (what you guys want us to believe) cant play the game...do it and ill shut up and never post again.
Check the technical forum: "PC, Network, and Other Technical Issues"
There's hundreds of "lag,launcher issues,rubberbanding,SNR,game crashes" threads.
Please let's not turn this into an US Vs. THEM mentality, no matter who the THEM is.
The fact is, there is a problem, it has been acknowledged, and I can tell you that it's one of Trendy's high priorities to see that it gets addressed because she's said as much and because she continues to engage people who are involved.
The number of people affected isn't that important. What's important is that people are being affected by a systemic problem within the game and where it's something that the Devs can actually do something about it, they're working on it.
Again, ENOUGH.
The number of players involved is irrelevant. If people keep harping on this point instead of the actual problem, they're trolling.
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Guys stop being baited by Plasmanugget,he has already said he isn't experiencing lag, therefore couldn't careless about those of us that are, Isn't my problem is the attitude.
Just let it go over your head, because at the end of the day i don't care if he isn't having issues i have been, a lot of other people have been, i see when logged on is the dps 10/30k channels complaining in chat about the lag and rubber banding, If i play any of the Borg stf's with them i get major lag with or without command ships. If i decide to pug a normal theres considerably less lag probably due to a lack of traits, specialisations, and powers being used, putting less strain on the map, but its there, Is the game unplayable for me, Isa last night was and so was Cure but i could play Voth Battlezone with some map slowdowns so no not unplayable just certain areas are.
There is an issue it has been identified by Cryptic, we have a right as consumers to voice our concerns over a product that appears to be faulty when we use it. Plasmanugget can either voice his options in a more civilised way and drop the attitude, or just let these posts go over his head.
Turning these very real issues into a flaming war doesn't help anyone and if Cryptic can fix the lag for the people experiencing it then its a win for every player because it means a massive change to any of these things,
Game Engine, Power/Skill/Specialisation coding streamlined to be more efficient, updated and more reliable servers making the game more stable and perform better.
Whoa whoa, I never intended this thread to go into a trollfest here, I merely wanted to point out that there wasn't a change in lag for me and a whole slew of other people after the patch, I didn't post this to paint a bullseye on anyone's rear you know.
If you don't have lag, honestly no one cares. If you do have lag, take heart it's still a known issue and hopefully we'll get this resolved as soon as possible so let's just hope for the best. At least the devs are working on it judging by the Reddit post Salami made (https://twitter.com/Salami_Inferno/status/598995694448283649).
Wow man just tried to grind my iconian rep today playing herald sphere. Had to leave the queue. The lag was so bad the event was unplayable. Jesus man what is going on. Heck even just idling in space at spacedock I could see other ships flying around doing the stop start motion indicative of lag. Speedtest.net says my speed is just fine. Grrrrr
If you feel you can do better, by all means submit a resume to Cryptic. Not everything can get fixed overnight. Not everything can get fixed in 1 week. Not everything can get fixed in one month.
The lag has been going on (and getting worse) for many months, but they've only started working on fixing it recently. So most likely it's going to take many more months to fix it completely.
A month or so ago a lead dev was asked about the lag and they replied: "there is lag because people love the game too much." so obviously they (or at least some of the leads) weren't taking the issue seriously.
We've had 6 months of lag, and will probably have 6 more due to the fact the issue had been ignored for more "important" player progression nerfs and introducing more pay 2 lag content...
This is why i'm calling it "The Year of Nerfs and Lag"
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What is the point of logging in if I am unable to play due to the lag ? Enough is enough now.
It's just not funny anymore. At first it was amusing to see how much lag we could endure, but now 6 months later that has worn very thin.
I really don't want to quit this game, but really ? What is the point anymore ?
Dev's clearly do not care about this issue at all otherwise it would have been addressed quite some time ago.
The fact that I find most distressing is they carry on releasing new ships and when there is uproar over it they claim, why stop their art department ? Why stop the development of new ships which has nothing to do with the lag ?
Correct me if I am wrong, but ships have powers right ? Such as the command ships ? These powers and abilities need to be coded ? Previous ships have poor code which is the result of the lag ?
So why are those coders creating new code for new abilities for new ships rather than fixing the ones that are already here that are very clearly broken and creating an immense amount of lag ?
Unless you start caring about this game, it's all but over.
From the end of this post I shall be on my way to cancelling my monthly sub. Never got the lifetime sub as I felt the game was worth giving that little bit more for in the long run. Seems that has now come to an end.
I find this lag issue to be somewhat odd and interesting at the same time. On the one hand you have people complaining daily about how horrible it is. But at the same time you have people such as myself who have no trouble at all.
So while it might be widespread, it's not universal. Seeing that list of items makes me wonder if combinations of certain things cause lag for people, but those who don't have those combinations are free and fine.
Kinda like the Joker venom in the Tim Burton Batman movie. No one thing will do it, but certain key combinations and you're in trouble.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Seriously? You really think CNN and the BBC would ever publish an article about a game experiencing lag? We could have a billion players each and every one complaining and it wouldn't hit national news, it's not the type of news they report. That is the single most stupid statement I have ever seen you post.
As to the rest of what you have said, cryptic wouldn't shut down the servers to fix lag (apart from short maintenances etc which they do already do) it would be financially disasterous to do so, and although I agree the lag isn't as wide spread as some say it is, it is very prevelant amongst a very large portion of the community, this has been confirmed by PWE/Cryptic themselves multiple times.
Food for thought:
There have been articles about gaming in MSM that list specific in-game issues, as well as cultural issues. WoW has received the most exposure, with the most notable being a case study performed by the CDC about an in-game event. The major US news outlets and the BBC reported on it.
There have been articles about gaming in MSM that list specific in-game issues, as well as cultural issues. WoW has received the most exposure, with the most notable being a case study performed by the CDC about an in-game event. The major US news outlets and the BBC reported on it.
Ok Craptic you win. I surrender, no more borg stf's, Tell me what content i should be playing that will make ur metrics happy and be lag free.
Borg stf's are even worse since last thursdays patch. Normally its Infected where i experience lag and rubber banding . but now Cure and Khitomer are just as bad where as before the map may have spits and spats but is still run able . Its not fun anymore. Time to walk away, you've killed the fun (i'd even go as far as saying it was with intent to destroy these maps as i haven't experienced consistent lag like this in any other map. Sure i've had lag and rubber banding but intermittent and random, these maps i can guarantee lag and rubber banding every time)
I was getting off and on very bad rubber-banding for the last month or so. This last patch fixed it for me. Just a sprinking of lag when I'm in a pve is all I get now.
Don't sit there and say "Well, I don't get lag, so there must not be any. It's on your end!", because it's not. If it were, then we wouldn't have so many people complaining about it, and entire teams suffering in the queues as a result. Accept that it is here. If it doesn't affect you, wonderful! Don't assume others aren't having issues.
That being said, they've already made what appears to be their first and largest push to fix the lag; reworking Command/Inspiration and a few other things.
But we've still got lag, and there's apparently a truckload of things that are contributing to it/need re-tooled.
We've already suffered for months now - how much longer should we except to keep having our gameplay compromised before we can (realistically) expect a lag free (or significantly lessened) experience? Maybe in the coming (2-3) weeks? Months? Longer?
Just out of interest didn't Neverwinters last expansion cause some major lag on that games side as well ?, and does Neverwinter still share a server with Star Trek Online ? or have they separated them yet ?. Reason i ask is when Neverwinter initially launched it caused much grief to the STO servers where the game crashed, lagged and rubber banded. STO that is due to Neverwinter
What i'm asking here is could another game with strain on its game engine with bad code sharing the same server as this game cause a ripple effect and interfere with the performance of STO were its game mechanics are eating up bandwidth. I'm not looking to blame Neverwinter here as Lag and Rubber banding are very real in Star Trek Online and has been getting progressively worse since STO's last expansion back in october 2014. I just looking at other possibilities.
Remember that not all lag is internal to the game. This is why its appearance and severity from player to player, or even session to session, is inconsistent.
Some lag may be a result of communications issues somewhere between your computer and the game server, and therefore may not be within Cryptic's control to fix.
Also - and I speak from personal experience here - if the game is pushing the limits of your computer's graphics capabilities, that can cause 'apparent' (visual) lag... low frame rates and such... that is limited to combat situations and while the gameplay actually proceeds normally. (I used to have problems running any of the 20-player PVEs, where the frame rate would drop to slideshow levels, then I got a new computer with a five-years-newer graphics setup, and the problem cleared up immediately.)
folks with brand new systems with state-of -the -art hardware are experiencing crashes to desktop ,severe lag, disconnects etc.
in addition : this only started to happen - to this extent - after S10 being (pre)patched , not before ( if everything stays the same exceptthe game's patch ,chance that update is flawed is 99.99 %) . I can run WvW in guild wars 2 - or participate in a big event in that game - without disconnects, crashes or severe lag .
folks with brand new systems with state-of -the -art hardware are experiencing crashes to desktop ,severe lag, disconnects etc.
in addition : this only started to happen - to this extent - after S10 being (pre)patched , not before ( if everything stays the same exceptthe game's patch ,chance that update is flawed is 99.99 %) . I can run WvW in guild wars 2 - or participate in a big event in that game - without disconnects, crashes or severe lag .
But a person's computer is only one part of experiencing lag. The various connections between their computer and Cryptic's servers is where a ton of lag comes from. State-of-the-art hardware means little if they are playing from the Arctic Circle.
But a person's computer is only one part of experiencing lag. The various connections between their computer and Cryptic's servers is where a ton of lag comes from. State-of-the-art hardware means little if they are playing from the Arctic Circle.
what I'm saying is these problems ( of this magnitude ) only started after they started to (pre) patch season 10 .I didn't experience one crash to desktop prior to that ..now it's every day and often quite simply by switching characters . Did my hardware change ? No.. Did my drivers change ? no ... did my connection change ? no .... etc.
the one thing that did change was the game itself .
Another part of the problem is that Cryptic is relying too much on a severely outdated and pretty crummy engine to begin with for STO. It's time they start updating massive portions of the old engine or they'll sucker into issues like this in every major update they push.
And yes, current lag is 100% the fault of Cryptic. Let's just say that my machine is fairly much lightyears beyond what STO's highest recommended systems are and I lag like hell. No graphical lag, purely server lag and there's a heck of a lot of people out there with the same issue(s).
Ball is in Cryptic's camp on this one I just hope they manage to get things running at a decent pace again BEFORE the summer event hits.
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Now it looks like you randomly started a fight. A problem with merging threads but oh so entertaining.
HAHA
Do you seriously believe that? lol
Please let's not turn this into an US Vs. THEM mentality, no matter who the THEM is.
The fact is, there is a problem, it has been acknowledged, and I can tell you that it's one of Trendy's high priorities to see that it gets addressed because she's said as much and because she continues to engage people who are involved.
The number of people affected isn't that important. What's important is that people are being affected by a systemic problem within the game and where it's something that the Devs can actually do something about it, they're working on it.
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Seriously? You really think CNN and the BBC would ever publish an article about a game experiencing lag? We could have a billion players each and every one complaining and it wouldn't hit national news, it's not the type of news they report. That is the single most stupid statement I have ever seen you post.
As to the rest of what you have said, cryptic wouldn't shut down the servers to fix lag (apart from short maintenances etc which they do already do) it would be financially disasterous to do so, and although I agree the lag isn't as wide spread as some say it is, it is very prevelant amongst a very large portion of the community, this has been confirmed by PWE/Cryptic themselves multiple times.
Check the technical forum: "PC, Network, and Other Technical Issues"
There's hundreds of "lag,launcher issues,rubberbanding,SNR,game crashes" threads.
"Everything is awesome!"
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Again, ENOUGH.
The number of players involved is irrelevant. If people keep harping on this point instead of the actual problem, they're trolling.
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Just let it go over your head, because at the end of the day i don't care if he isn't having issues i have been, a lot of other people have been, i see when logged on is the dps 10/30k channels complaining in chat about the lag and rubber banding, If i play any of the Borg stf's with them i get major lag with or without command ships. If i decide to pug a normal theres considerably less lag probably due to a lack of traits, specialisations, and powers being used, putting less strain on the map, but its there, Is the game unplayable for me, Isa last night was and so was Cure but i could play Voth Battlezone with some map slowdowns so no not unplayable just certain areas are.
There is an issue it has been identified by Cryptic, we have a right as consumers to voice our concerns over a product that appears to be faulty when we use it. Plasmanugget can either voice his options in a more civilised way and drop the attitude, or just let these posts go over his head.
Turning these very real issues into a flaming war doesn't help anyone and if Cryptic can fix the lag for the people experiencing it then its a win for every player because it means a massive change to any of these things,
Game Engine, Power/Skill/Specialisation coding streamlined to be more efficient, updated and more reliable servers making the game more stable and perform better.
If you don't have lag, honestly no one cares. If you do have lag, take heart it's still a known issue and hopefully we'll get this resolved as soon as possible so let's just hope for the best. At least the devs are working on it judging by the Reddit post Salami made (https://twitter.com/Salami_Inferno/status/598995694448283649).
Haha, time, fix things?
The lag is present since delta rising, i don't know how much time
they need, but its been quite a long time already.
The lag has been going on (and getting worse) for many months, but they've only started working on fixing it recently. So most likely it's going to take many more months to fix it completely.
A month or so ago a lead dev was asked about the lag and they replied: "there is lag because people love the game too much." so obviously they (or at least some of the leads) weren't taking the issue seriously.
We've had 6 months of lag, and will probably have 6 more due to the fact the issue had been ignored for more "important" player progression nerfs and introducing more pay 2 lag content...
This is why i'm calling it "The Year of Nerfs and Lag"
Season 10 the Iconian War... a war perhaps indeed...
Lag is HORRIFIC.
What is the point of logging in if I am unable to play due to the lag ? Enough is enough now.
It's just not funny anymore. At first it was amusing to see how much lag we could endure, but now 6 months later that has worn very thin.
I really don't want to quit this game, but really ? What is the point anymore ?
Dev's clearly do not care about this issue at all otherwise it would have been addressed quite some time ago.
The fact that I find most distressing is they carry on releasing new ships and when there is uproar over it they claim, why stop their art department ? Why stop the development of new ships which has nothing to do with the lag ?
Correct me if I am wrong, but ships have powers right ? Such as the command ships ? These powers and abilities need to be coded ? Previous ships have poor code which is the result of the lag ?
So why are those coders creating new code for new abilities for new ships rather than fixing the ones that are already here that are very clearly broken and creating an immense amount of lag ?
Unless you start caring about this game, it's all but over.
From the end of this post I shall be on my way to cancelling my monthly sub. Never got the lifetime sub as I felt the game was worth giving that little bit more for in the long run. Seems that has now come to an end.
Was fun whilst it lasted though.
So while it might be widespread, it's not universal. Seeing that list of items makes me wonder if combinations of certain things cause lag for people, but those who don't have those combinations are free and fine.
Kinda like the Joker venom in the Tim Burton Batman movie. No one thing will do it, but certain key combinations and you're in trouble.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Food for thought:
There have been articles about gaming in MSM that list specific in-game issues, as well as cultural issues. WoW has received the most exposure, with the most notable being a case study performed by the CDC about an in-game event. The major US news outlets and the BBC reported on it.
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Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
cultural issues?
Borg stf's are even worse since last thursdays patch. Normally its Infected where i experience lag and rubber banding . but now Cure and Khitomer are just as bad where as before the map may have spits and spats but is still run able . Its not fun anymore. Time to walk away, you've killed the fun (i'd even go as far as saying it was with intent to destroy these maps as i haven't experienced consistent lag like this in any other map. Sure i've had lag and rubber banding but intermittent and random, these maps i can guarantee lag and rubber banding every time)
Nerf the Iconian spam including all gateways and probes and the lag will be significantly reduced.
Don't sit there and say "Well, I don't get lag, so there must not be any. It's on your end!", because it's not. If it were, then we wouldn't have so many people complaining about it, and entire teams suffering in the queues as a result. Accept that it is here. If it doesn't affect you, wonderful! Don't assume others aren't having issues.
That being said, they've already made what appears to be their first and largest push to fix the lag; reworking Command/Inspiration and a few other things.
But we've still got lag, and there's apparently a truckload of things that are contributing to it/need re-tooled.
We've already suffered for months now - how much longer should we except to keep having our gameplay compromised before we can (realistically) expect a lag free (or significantly lessened) experience? Maybe in the coming (2-3) weeks? Months? Longer?
What i'm asking here is could another game with strain on its game engine with bad code sharing the same server as this game cause a ripple effect and interfere with the performance of STO were its game mechanics are eating up bandwidth. I'm not looking to blame Neverwinter here as Lag and Rubber banding are very real in Star Trek Online and has been getting progressively worse since STO's last expansion back in october 2014. I just looking at other possibilities.
folks with brand new systems with state-of -the -art hardware are experiencing crashes to desktop ,severe lag, disconnects etc.
in addition : this only started to happen - to this extent - after S10 being (pre)patched , not before ( if everything stays the same exceptthe game's patch ,chance that update is flawed is 99.99 %) . I can run WvW in guild wars 2 - or participate in a big event in that game - without disconnects, crashes or severe lag .
But a person's computer is only one part of experiencing lag. The various connections between their computer and Cryptic's servers is where a ton of lag comes from. State-of-the-art hardware means little if they are playing from the Arctic Circle.
what I'm saying is these problems ( of this magnitude ) only started after they started to (pre) patch season 10 .I didn't experience one crash to desktop prior to that ..now it's every day and often quite simply by switching characters . Did my hardware change ? No.. Did my drivers change ? no ... did my connection change ? no .... etc.
the one thing that did change was the game itself .
And yes, current lag is 100% the fault of Cryptic. Let's just say that my machine is fairly much lightyears beyond what STO's highest recommended systems are and I lag like hell. No graphical lag, purely server lag and there's a heck of a lot of people out there with the same issue(s).
Ball is in Cryptic's camp on this one I just hope they manage to get things running at a decent pace again BEFORE the summer event hits.