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Where did the Borg come from?
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Where did the Borg come from? Remember biology reproduces, but technology needs an inventor. So who invented the Borg? How did they start?
Was it a medical experiment gone wrong?
Or was it like the an augment experiment that never got stopped?
What do you think?
Was it a medical experiment gone wrong?
Or was it like the an augment experiment that never got stopped?
What do you think?
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Whatever the origin is, it has never been officially established on television or in cinema, so it's basically up to whatever a given Trek book author imagines.
My own origin story would go something like this. A race of beings, now long dead or assimilated, had highly advanced technology and became known in its area of space as specializing in cybernetic enhancement of the organic form. At some point this people decided to try and achieve the perfect union of flesh and machine, and created a group of cybernetic organisms capable of adding to their number by way of nanoprobes and more direct surgical enhancement. This group quickly assimilated its parent race, and eventually the whole of their planet, creating the Central Node alluded to by Shatner and hinted by Roddenberry to be the planet Voyager 6 crash-landed on. Interpreting the probe's programming literally, they repaired it and sent it back to its creator, assuming it was a machine much like the probe itself, in hopes that the upgraded probe might add such a being to the technological distinctiveness of the Node and its drone-children. The enhanced Voyager 6 probe had the ability now to assimilate everything in its path through a process of direct conversion to energy, in which objects, beings, and even whole planets and star systems were reduced to raw data, growing V'Ger's intellect. The rest, as they say, is (Trek) history.
The Borg "Queen" is in fact nothing more than a puppet through which the entire Collective speaks. When "she" says "she" IS the Borg, "she" is speaking literally, as the avatar is the physical mouthpiece of the entire will of the Collective.
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It's a shame this isn't the way she was portrayed on screen (big and small). Instead she's an individual, with feelings who "runs" the Borg. They went with an insect analogy, a hive run by a "queen", instead of a true collective consciousness.
Although there was a collective consciousness, it came off as a separate entity that she controlled. I suppose the role would have been a bit boring if she was just a puppet, but it would have been truer to the vision I had of the Borg.
As good a movie as First Contact was, they ruined the Borg with the introduction of the queen. I much preferred the monolithic force of nature the Borg were originally presented as rather than the queen who was quite obviously guiding the Borg based on an emotional hatred of organic lifeforms.
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V'ger returned to that robot species, and taught them how to bond with meatbags. And they started bonding with whatever meatbags they encountered, and taking their technology. And over the next few centuries, they evolved into the modern Borg that you all know and love.
So basically, you have Kirk to blame for everything.
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GEDRIN: You're Borg.
SEVEN: How do you know that?
GEDRIN: Don't you recognise my people? The Vaadwaur?
SEVEN: The Collective's memory from nine hundred years ago is fragmentary.
GEDRIN: I've had many encounters with your kind.
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GEDRIN: The Borg? In my century they'd only assimilated a handful of systems
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The borg where much more menacing before the Queen was established. Actually i think the Queen is the achilles heel of the borg, because of her egoistic way of thinking.
The hive mind like portrayed in their first appearance in TNG, was a force of nature, so to speak.
They where also shown only interested in technolgy they could recycle for themselves, not as space zombies like in ST:8 (how cheap is that, lol)
I much more prefer the inexorable and merciless Borg, which have NO gender and have very different goals than just "assimilate" or even more cheap "destroy". Such borg make me shudder, not space zombies tbh.
ST:8 has taken away so much of Treks originality on so many levels, making Trek much more trivial and mainstream.
Lol. Almost spilt my coffee.
Also occurs to me that is probably why they ignore everyone on their ships. You're not being chaotic, you're not being a problem, thus you are part of the unity, thus you are part of the one, thus you are ignored.
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Anyway, while I agree I don't like the idea of the Borg Queen, they were based on insects weren't they? I also didn't like the Destiny idea of Borg, although both ideas solve certain problems. Example, the Queen is a fallible individual who controls the Borg, I'd find it much easier to outsmart that, than an amalgam of billions of individuals. The Destiny origin sort of explains why the Borg are so adamant about coming after Humans, out of everyone. Makes it a little more understanding of why they would not have gone for Vulcan or Betazed or something instead.
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The Borg queen... I didn't like it either. It sounds like a writer's tool. When creating a villin it's easier to give it a name and a personality which Borg have niether.
My take on the Borg is that it was an answer to some kind of disease or medical problem that grew out of control. I thought it would be nice irony if Borg nanoprobes was supposed to be a vaccine that turned into something else. A huge accidant.
It's all fiction, which means we can play with it anyway you want. Remember in "Q-Who" when Commander Riker opened a drawer full of little babies with Borg inplants? Saying that they start the inplants when they were young. But in First Contact all of a sudden it turned into nanoprobes. The Borg evolved how they reproduce. Which would make sense since technology does evolve faster than humans. Computers made in the 1970's are not the same as the ones now.
Well, there's the constant attacks, half-hearted on Earth.
also, the Destiny novels don't exactly blame humanity... we didn't do it, but we were there
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